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Post by Matthew Allen on Sept 9, 2015 22:27:47 GMT
Maybe it's not your car, maybe it's you.  Unless people are gleaning some remarkably telepathic insight into my vehicle purchasing habits, I doubt it. I ain't exactly burning robber at stop lights; I'm sitting in my car quietly enjoying the weather. Now don't get me wrong. I AM an asshole. I just want to be given credit for the right reasons. |
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Post by morsealworth on Sept 10, 2015 7:40:19 GMT
Had a surprisingly in-depth (2+ hours) conversation with someone about this yesterday. I admit I'm a bit talked out about it and couldn't possibly convey my thoughts as thoroughly as I did in that convo, but I've no doubt that regardless of the how's and why's of his wealth, surely such a level of wealth comes with a mountain of challenges that one would otherwise never undergo. Remarking that any of us would be more than happy to undergo such challenges doesn't make the challenges any less real. I can also understand Notch's hesitancy to complain about such things on a public platform due to it likely being taken that way. Notch's farewell letter sums up the fellow's sentiments on some of this fairly well. No, no, no. The whole problem is that his hurdles have nothing to do with his wealth. The problem is also that his wealth can not solve any of his hurdles. The reason? You're totally right - he writes them in his farewell letter. And this is his hurdle - the fact he's a socially anxious nerd who was accidentally thrown into the spotlight. Of course he will feel way more lonely at Ibiza parties than in his own home - I can bet my left eye that he couldn't find anyone there as introverted as he is. In fact, I am puzzled about the reason he went there in the first place. |
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Post by Casinha on Sept 10, 2015 8:30:30 GMT
No idea why he's even going to Ibiza parties and throwing massive raves instead of buying a castle. Castles are where it's at.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Sept 10, 2015 9:52:58 GMT
No idea why he's even going to Ibiza parties and throwing massive raves instead of buying a castle. Castles are where it's at. You MUST be British. Castles are cold. |
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Post by Casinha on Sept 10, 2015 10:04:18 GMT
No idea why he's even going to Ibiza parties and throwing massive raves instead of buying a castle. Castles are where it's at. You MUST be British. Castles are cold. You say that as though with that kind of money you wouldn't just have someone following you around with a radiator. |
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Post by Qetesh on Sept 10, 2015 13:37:05 GMT
I really have to disagree. I have to say when you have to decide between eating and being warm, his kind of problems sound quite manageable. That being said, for people who don't have a choice between either, that problem sounds equally manageable.
Having too much stuff is always better than having too little. I am sure Bill Gates and Oprah have headaches and issues, but they are indeed some I would trade for in a heartbeat.
As far as other problems non-related to wealth, well, that is somewhat apples to oranges. There are some things that money cannot fix.
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Post by Qetesh on Sept 10, 2015 13:51:15 GMT
No idea why he's even going to Ibiza parties and throwing massive raves instead of buying a castle. Castles are where it's at. You MUST be British. Castles are cold. They would be fine if they were heated and insulated. If you built a modern day castle with proper care, I don't think it would be cold. Now the heating bill would be a fix for your wealth problem. The power company will be quite happy to take half of it all away from you while you keep your castle warm. If you want WIFI in every room, then there you go, the cable company will take the rest. Note to Self: No Castles in my dream zoo. @matthew Allen I had a really nice red sports car. It was fully loaded with a moon roof, leather heated seats and a turbo charged V-8 engine that went from 0 to 60 in 5 seconds. It was no corvette but it was my dream baby at the time. If you want a pretty car and you can afford to get it, go for it. That is a far reach from Jet setting in Ibiza and just blowing cash by the fistfuls. You can always sell your car and get back some money for it. Also you can use your car to get from A to B which in turn will help you continue to be a productive member of society. I would call a sports car a splurge not a lifestyle. |
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Post by morsealworth on Sept 10, 2015 14:01:09 GMT
I really have to disagree. I have to say when you have to decide between eating and being warm, his kind of problems sound quite manageable. That being said, for people who don't have a choice between either, that problem sounds equally manageable. Having too much stuff is always better than having too little. I am sure Bill Gates and Oprah have headaches and issues, but they are indeed some I would trade for in a heartbeat. As far as other problems non-related to wealth, well, that is somewhat apples to oranges. There are some things that money cannot fix. And I really have to agree with you, see above. Except the problem he's facing can actually be fixed with money - you see, that's exactly what psychological trainings are for. So he either doesn't realize that or he's okay with his current state. Which is, of course, okay as long as he doesn't suffer because of it... Oh wait, he does and writes about it on twitter. Now the question is, does he write it because he's suffering or does he do that to revel in his own misery? |
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Post by Matthew Allen on Sept 10, 2015 21:12:13 GMT
Had a surprisingly in-depth (2+ hours) conversation with someone about this yesterday. I admit I'm a bit talked out about it and couldn't possibly convey my thoughts as thoroughly as I did in that convo, but I've no doubt that regardless of the how's and why's of his wealth, surely such a level of wealth comes with a mountain of challenges that one would otherwise never undergo. Remarking that any of us would be more than happy to undergo such challenges doesn't make the challenges any less real. I can also understand Notch's hesitancy to complain about such things on a public platform due to it likely being taken that way. Notch's farewell letter sums up the fellow's sentiments on some of this fairly well. No, no, no. The whole problem is that his hurdles have nothing to do with his wealth. The problem is also that his wealth can not solve any of his hurdles. The reason? You're totally right - he writes them in his farewell letter. I agree, so perhaps I should clarify real quick. While there are new and unique challenges that only came with his wealth, I feel that most of the challenges he's facing now were preexisting problems that were exacerbated by wealth - social anxieties and such. In short, if they were legitimate problems before they're legitimate problems now. In quick reply to a few posts above, I don't think Notch is claiming that his problems are material (food, shelter, etc.). If he were complaining about such things I imagine we'd all be having a very different conversation. @matthew Allen I had a really nice red sports car. It was fully loaded with a moon roof, leather heated seats and a turbo charged V-8 engine that went from 0 to 60 in 5 seconds. It was no corvette but it was my dream baby at the time. If you want a pretty car and you can afford to get it, go for it. That is a far reach from Jet setting in Ibiza and just blowing cash by the fistfuls. You can always sell your car and get back some money for it. Also you can use your car to get from A to B which in turn will help you continue to be a productive member of society. I would call a sports car a splurge not a lifestyle. I was very direct about this being, and I quote, 'a severe case of apples and oranges'. I mentioned my car purely for demonstrative purposes to show that one can never truly understand another person's internal and personal motivations or struggles. That said, I'm not sure why you'd consider my car a 'splurge'. It was less expensive than most cars I looked at. Does having a removable roof make a vehicle a splurge? That's a modest preference, not a splurge. My car gets me where I need to go and is significantly inexpensive when compared to other 'normal' cars I could have otherwise purchased. If I can safely and efficiently get from Point A to Point B without simultaneously burdening my finances, then I'd say the vehicle's doing its job just fine.  |
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Post by Qetesh on Sept 10, 2015 21:47:31 GMT
No, no, no. The whole problem is that his hurdles have nothing to do with his wealth. The problem is also that his wealth can not solve any of his hurdles. The reason? You're totally right - he writes them in his farewell letter. I agree, so perhaps I should clarify real quick. While there are new and unique challenges that only came with his wealth, I feel that most of the challenges he's facing now were preexisting problems that were exacerbated by wealth - social anxieties and such. In short, if they were legitimate problems before they're legitimate problems now. In quick reply to a few posts above, I don't think Notch is claiming that his problems are material (food, shelter, etc.). If he were complaining about such things I imagine we'd all be having a very different conversation. @matthew Allen I had a really nice red sports car. It was fully loaded with a moon roof, leather heated seats and a turbo charged V-8 engine that went from 0 to 60 in 5 seconds. It was no corvette but it was my dream baby at the time. If you want a pretty car and you can afford to get it, go for it. That is a far reach from Jet setting in Ibiza and just blowing cash by the fistfuls. You can always sell your car and get back some money for it. Also you can use your car to get from A to B which in turn will help you continue to be a productive member of society. I would call a sports car a splurge not a lifestyle. I was very direct about this being, and I quote, 'a severe case of apples and oranges'. I mentioned my car purely for demonstrative purposes to show that one can never truly understand another person's internal and personal motivations or struggles. That said, I'm not sure why you'd consider my car a 'splurge'. It was less expensive than most cars I looked at. Does having a removable roof make a vehicle a splurge? That's a modest preference, not a splurge. My car gets me where I need to go and is significantly inexpensive when compared to other 'normal' cars I could have otherwise purchased. If I can safely and efficiently get from Point A to Point B without simultaneously burdening my finances, then I'd say the vehicle's doing its job just fine. I call it a splurge because you could buy a car for much less but choose to buy a more expensive one that has certain features you are willing to pay more for. I did the same. When I was looking at cars to buy I made the decision to buy the car I wanted even though it was more than most of my friends cars at the time. I could afford it, but I could also have gotten a car to do exactly the same thing for much less, hence why I call it a splurge. I could have taken that extra cash and given that money to charity but I choose to spend my money on a more expensive car. To the people starving on the street that are begging for food watching the cars go by, a more expensive car will always be a splurge. It's all about perspective. |
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Post by morsealworth on Sept 11, 2015 11:06:10 GMT
No, no, no. The whole problem is that his hurdles have nothing to do with his wealth. The problem is also that his wealth can not solve any of his hurdles. The reason? You're totally right - he writes them in his farewell letter. I agree, so perhaps I should clarify real quick. While there are new and unique challenges that only came with his wealth, I feel that most of the challenges he's facing now were preexisting problems that were exacerbated by wealth - social anxieties and such. In short, if they were legitimate problems before they're legitimate problems now. In quick reply to a few posts above, I don't think Notch is claiming that his problems are material (food, shelter, etc.). If he were complaining about such things I imagine we'd all be having a very different conversation. I don't believe there was any room for aggravation of the problems we're talking about. Those simply got in the focus when more grave problems (connected with lack of money) got out of the way. So the social anxieties et cetera didn't get any more severe than before - it's just that he didn't have time to think of such things as much before. He had even scarier stuff. Otherwise, I agree with you completely. |
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Post by Matthew Allen on Sept 17, 2015 17:05:15 GMT
I agree, so perhaps I should clarify real quick. While there are new and unique challenges that only came with his wealth, I feel that most of the challenges he's facing now were preexisting problems that were exacerbated by wealth - social anxieties and such. In short, if they were legitimate problems before they're legitimate problems now. In quick reply to a few posts above, I don't think Notch is claiming that his problems are material (food, shelter, etc.). If he were complaining about such things I imagine we'd all be having a very different conversation. I was very direct about this being, and I quote, 'a severe case of apples and oranges'. I mentioned my car purely for demonstrative purposes to show that one can never truly understand another person's internal and personal motivations or struggles. That said, I'm not sure why you'd consider my car a 'splurge'. It was less expensive than most cars I looked at. Does having a removable roof make a vehicle a splurge? That's a modest preference, not a splurge. My car gets me where I need to go and is significantly inexpensive when compared to other 'normal' cars I could have otherwise purchased. If I can safely and efficiently get from Point A to Point B without simultaneously burdening my finances, then I'd say the vehicle's doing its job just fine. I call it a splurge because you could buy a car for much less but choose to buy a more expensive one that has certain features you are willing to pay more for. I did the same. When I was looking at cars to buy I made the decision to buy the car I wanted even though it was more than most of my friends cars at the time. I could afford it, but I could also have gotten a car to do exactly the same thing for much less, hence why I call it a splurge. I could have taken that extra cash and given that money to charity but I choose to spend my money on a more expensive car. To the people starving on the street that are begging for food watching the cars go by, a more expensive car will always be a splurge. It's all about perspective. ...but...you don't know how much I bought the car for. Soooo...  Story time: My last car broke down (literally). I spend money on lots of things in my life (some of them stupid purchases, admittedly, but I tend to spend money more on experiences than things). So as much as I like fancy shmancy cars, I've always had an extremely conservatively priced vehicle for my daily driving vehicle. So much so that when it broke down the cost of repair exceeded the value of the car. So I sold it for scraps and went a number of months without a vehicle. Since I do most of my work from home and don't live far from downtown this wasn't too much a burden. When it came time to purchase another vehicle, my only criteria was to purchase a used vehicle which I could expect to not break down within five years (as opposed to my last car). I had a budget and I had a price range - a price range which was as low as I could get it without running the risk of the car breaking down within years of purchasing it. As long as I found something in that price range, I was fine. As it happens, I had a buddy who in recent years has become a bit of a family man and had purchased a vehicle with sufficient seating for his wife and two children. This meant that his usual car, a two seater convertible, was no longer needed. Despite being a 2009 model it looked nearly brand new, always garage kept, and only had 30,000 miles on it. Not only that, he was just wanting to get rid of it quickly as he never used it and given that him and I are old friends he knew I was without a vehicle and asked if I was interested. Long story short, I got a good car at a price which was well within my budget (to the tune of a 4 figure price; which was outrageous). All of this when my intentions and budget were to get some Standard Vanilla Vehicle. Anyway, I'm not saying I couldn't have bought a car with four seats if I really wanted to. Maybe I could've saved an extra thousand? Maybe. My only point in all of this was that people see me driving a car that happens to have no roof and suddenly they assume that I'm being excessive. Again, apples and oranges when compared to the topic at hand. Just expounding on my previous point, 'tis all. I agree though, it is all about perspective. Which is why we should be careful when trying to define other's perspectives. Anywho! Not trying to ruffle anyone up or anything. Just sharing some personal insights.  I agree, so perhaps I should clarify real quick. While there are new and unique challenges that only came with his wealth, I feel that most of the challenges he's facing now were preexisting problems that were exacerbated by wealth - social anxieties and such. In short, if they were legitimate problems before they're legitimate problems now. In quick reply to a few posts above, I don't think Notch is claiming that his problems are material (food, shelter, etc.). If he were complaining about such things I imagine we'd all be having a very different conversation. I don't believe there was any room for aggravation of the problems we're talking about. Those simply got in the focus when more grave problems (connected with lack of money) got out of the way. So the social anxieties et cetera didn't get any more severe than before - it's just that he didn't have time to think of such things as much before. He had even scarier stuff. Otherwise, I agree with you completely. Yeah, good points. |
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