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Post by hardly on Feb 4, 2016 6:30:03 GMT
colin22cans Why is there a paywall in this game? I already paid the full purchase price for GODUS, why to I need to pay to unlock content? |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Feb 4, 2016 7:06:35 GMT
P.S. Hope you've got a cover story, already sent notice to RPS & may send one later to Kotaku besides the tweet I fired off just now.
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Post by hardly on Feb 4, 2016 7:14:19 GMT
P.S. Hope you've got a cover story, already sent notice to RPS & may send one later to Kotaku besides the tweet I fired off just now. Nice work, I presume you sent them the juicy screenshot of the paywall? |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Feb 4, 2016 7:19:39 GMT
P.S. Hope you've got a cover story, already sent notice to RPS & may send one later to Kotaku besides the tweet I fired off just now. Nice work, I presume you sent them the juicy screenshot of the paywall? Absolutely. A link, but a link to it nonetheless (one which I double checked this time). Here's to seeing whether they run with it or not. Certainly should, as I believe this is a first for a critically panned Early Access title. I'm aware that other EA titles have done microtransactions in some form before (I believe Ghost in the Shell does), but I'm not aware of any in Godus' position doing so. |
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Post by tikigod on Feb 4, 2016 7:23:40 GMT
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Post by tikigod on Feb 4, 2016 7:29:06 GMT
Nice work, I presume you sent them the juicy screenshot of the paywall? Absolutely. A link, but a link to it nonetheless (one which I double checked this time). Here's to seeing whether they run with it or not. Certainly should, as I believe this is a first for a critically panned Early Access title. I'm aware that other EA titles have done microtransactions in some form before (I believe Ghost in the Shell does), but I'm not aware of any in Godus' position doing so. MTs or Paywalls in EA/Alpha/Beta titles is well documented. MTs in Godus however would firmly go against what 22Cans and Molyneux told Godus-PC users they were buying into, break their promise that by buying Godus-PC you would be getting 'open ticket access' to everything in the game present and upcoming, and that Godus-PC will never ever have micro-transactions, paywalls or anything remotely representing that. If 22Cans want to remove Godus Wars from Godus and claim the two aren't part of the same project but just a continuation of the IP... fine. But then they lose all ability to claim that what they deliver in Godus Wars is in anyway fulfilling their obligations toward Godus. But otherwise with how they're currently presenting this, they've just given grounds for people who bought Godus under one premise of open access to everything in Godus to take action for going against what was advertised, and don't have their previous wall of "You can't prove we won't one day deliver" to hide behind this time. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Feb 4, 2016 7:30:05 GMT
Meanwhile, if you're expecting refunds on any of this DLC...  Absolutely. A link, but a link to it nonetheless (one which I double checked this time). Here's to seeing whether they run with it or not. Certainly should, as I believe this is a first for a critically panned Early Access title. I'm aware that other EA titles have done microtransactions in some form before (I believe Ghost in the Shell does), but I'm not aware of any in Godus' position doing so. MTs or Paywalls in EA/Alpha/Beta titles is well documented. MTs in Godus however would firmly go against what 22Cans and Molyneux told Godus-PC users they were buying into, break their promise that by buying Godus-PC you would be getting 'open ticket access' to everything in the game present and upcoming, and that Godus-PC will never ever have micro-transactions, paywalls or anything remotely representing that. If 22Cans want to remove Godus Wars from Godus and claim the two aren't part of the same project but just a continuation of the IP... fine. But then they lose all ability to claim that what they deliver in Godus Wars is in anyway fulfilling their obligations toward Godus. But otherwise with how they're currently presenting this, they've just given grounds for people who bought Godus under one premise of open access to everything in Godus to take action for going against what was advertised, and don't have their previous wall of "You can't prove we won't one day deliver" to hide behind this time. Aah, true. I wasn't thinking beyond the scope of Early Access titles. I'm not sure if as many have done that, but it wouldn't shock to me find there are several examples of some (especially faulty ones, I believe Infestation: Survivor Stories would count among them) others. As to Godus' particular situation, well, this doesn't make the first time they've crosswired themselves thanks to their greed and dishonesty, so I can't say I'm too shocked to see they'll probably be stumbling about all over on this one. |
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Post by I-love-paywalls on Feb 4, 2016 7:56:41 GMT
I wonder how much they will charge for the multiplayer part of 'godus wars' when (ok, make that 'if') it arrives.
And while they are at it... they could also try and paywall new unit types. 'Designing delightful new units takes us time and effort, so we will have to charge you for it, but it is not pay to win! Think of it as 'Invest to have a delightful and victorious experience'!'
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Post by tikigod on Feb 4, 2016 8:00:23 GMT
I wonder how much they will charge for the multiplayer part of 'godus wars' when (ok, make that 'if') it arrives. And while they are at it... they could also try and paywall new unit types. 'Designing delightful new units takes us time and effort, so we will have to charge you for it, but it is not pay to win! Think of it as 'Invest to have a delightful and victorious experience'!' I'd almost swear this post was actually written by Molyneux. lol |
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Post by hardly on Feb 4, 2016 8:23:09 GMT
I wonder how much they will charge for the multiplayer part of 'godus wars' when (ok, make that 'if') it arrives. And while they are at it... they could also try and paywall new unit types. 'Designing delightful new units takes us time and effort, so we will have to charge you for it, but it is not pay to win! Think of it as 'Invest to have a delightful and victorious experience'!' If the maps are paywalled aren't the unit types effectively paywalled as well? |
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Post by Mandrake on Feb 4, 2016 8:42:45 GMT
I wonder how much they will charge for the multiplayer part of 'godus wars' when (ok, make that 'if') it arrives. And while they are at it... they could also try and paywall new unit types. 'Designing delightful new units takes us time and effort, so we will have to charge you for it, but it is not pay to win! Think of it as 'Invest to have a delightful and victorious experience'!' If the maps are paywalled aren't the unit types effectively paywalled as well? There are three distinct possibilities with this for multiplayer: 1. Only the units in the DLCs a player purchases will be available to use by the player. 2. The player may only play up to whatever tier they have purchased to. 3. All players will have access to all units, but those who have unlocked them through DLC purchases will have more familiarity with their uses. Knowing 22cans...they'll avoid anything suggested to be reasonably sane. |
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Post by tikigod on Feb 4, 2016 8:55:56 GMT
If the maps are paywalled aren't the unit types effectively paywalled as well? There are three distinct possibilities with this for multiplayer: 1. Only the units in the DLCs a player purchases will be available to use by the player. 2. The player may only play up to whatever tier they have purchased to. 3. All players will have access to all units, but those who have unlocked them through DLC purchases will have more familiarity with their uses. Knowing 22cans...they'll avoid anything suggested to be reasonably sane. 4. They haven't thought about it and it will eventually crop up as a unforeseen issue with delivering multiplayer.... again. |
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Post by I-love-paywalls on Feb 4, 2016 9:16:40 GMT
No, there will simply be a new -third- game called GODUS MULTI-GOD CONFLICTS which will be the PvP version of Godus Wars. Godus and Godus Wars will be included in the 9.99$ purchase price (there will of course be microtransactions, invite other owners of GODUS MULTI GOD CONFLICTS to fight you for only 0.33$ per match!).
Peter has always envisioned Godus as being -three- seperate games.
No, actually Peter has always envisioned Godus as a jupiter-sized universe of multiple games, one more delightful than the other.
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Post by bed on Feb 4, 2016 11:46:25 GMT
wow paywalled... F that.
Played tonight a bit until it crashed... meh, I may have given it more of a chance, but I sure am not paying more for this.
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Post by Deth on Feb 4, 2016 12:07:09 GMT
There are three distinct possibilities with this for multiplayer: 1. Only the units in the DLCs a player purchases will be available to use by the player. 2. The player may only play up to whatever tier they have purchased to. 3. All players will have access to all units, but those who have unlocked them through DLC purchases will have more familiarity with their uses. Knowing 22cans...they'll avoid anything suggested to be reasonably sane. 4. They haven't thought about it and it will eventually crop up as a unforeseen issue with delivering multiplayer.... again. 5. You will have to pay per unit you spawn. Because money is evil and it is much more Zen to give your money to Peter. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 15:09:17 GMT
Extra content, you say?
In what universe does one continent worth of clunky tutorial level basic RTS constitute a full games worth of content?
Seriously.
Would any of you that have played through the first continent feel comfortable paying $14.99 for it?
I'm sorry you've spent all that money trying to reinvent the wheel over the last 4 months Simon, but your customers aren't going to pay for your lack of oversight, especially when many of them are still waiting for you to make good on what they paid for in the first place.
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Post by Gmr Leon on Feb 4, 2016 16:00:15 GMT
Extra content, you say? In what universe does one continent worth of clunky tutorial level basic RTS constitute a full games worth of content? Seriously. Would any of you that have played through the first continent feel comfortable paying $14.99 for it? I'm sorry you've spent all that money trying to reinvent the wheel over the last 4 months Simon, but your customers aren't going to pay for your lack of oversight, especially when many of them are still waiting for you to make good on what they paid for in the first place. Maybe if I was waking up and dust on the screen made me think it was $0.99. Seriously though, while I've not completed it yet, the RNG nature of the card rewards, sheer absence of unit variety several maps in and god powers introduced, I'd be miffed and asking for a refund. Thinking I'd pay $5 for the possibility of, but no certainty of, more challenge, unit variety, and god powers in the next map would have just made me hit the refund button all the faster. Y'know, if it wasn't likely I'd already be past Steam's wonky refund rules. |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Feb 4, 2016 16:42:43 GMT
Thinking I'd pay $5 for the possibility of, but no certainty of, more challenge, unit variety, and god powers in the next map would have just made me hit the refund button all the faster. Y'know, if it wasn't likely I'd already be past Steam's wonky refund rules. How can back-dating a game, in early access no less, that literally was just released be in any way allowable and acceptable - both legally and ethically? There will be consequences. This whole affair is like opening a Pandora's Box and finding an entire case of canned worms. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Feb 4, 2016 18:15:22 GMT
Thinking I'd pay $5 for the possibility of, but no certainty of, more challenge, unit variety, and god powers in the next map would have just made me hit the refund button all the faster. Y'know, if it wasn't likely I'd already be past Steam's wonky refund rules. How can back-dating a game, in early access no less, that literally was just released be in any way allowable and acceptable - both legally and ethically? There will be consequences. This whole affair is like opening a Pandora's Box and finding an entire case of canned worms. Peter Molyneux simply isn't good with language. Y'see, when he says two games, he always imagined that you could play different games in the same game, after all that's what blackjack in Fable was, right? What's all the fuss about? Look, they're the same game, we just introduced the second game face of the coin, why can't you get that? ...Is probably what they're thinking, I'd imagine. If they've made anything in all this time, it's an impressively convoluted mental gymnasium with some of the most obviously injurious equipment you could find. |
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