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Post by hardly on Apr 25, 2016 6:06:09 GMT
I was just checking the steam stats and they look particularly grim for GODUS:
steamcharts.com/app/232810
steamcharts.com/app/422420
We cant be far from the day when someone from 22Cans pipes up and says "Didn't you hear? We aren't developing GODUS anymore." And that will be that. |
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Post by Spiderweb on Apr 25, 2016 7:25:50 GMT
I was just checking the steam stats and they look particularly grim for GODUS:
steamcharts.com/app/232810
steamcharts.com/app/422420
We cant be far from the day when someone from 22Cans pipes up and says "Didn't you hear? We aren't developing GODUS anymore." And that will be that. said the same thing last week lol. |
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Post by Crumpy Six on Apr 25, 2016 7:27:43 GMT
I'm surprised Godus Wars is doing significantly worse than Godus. I suppose Godus has the advantage of a more established user base, and they probably don't appeal to the same type of player.
This must be a disaster for 22Cans. Even if they hadn't had to remove the microtransactions from Godus Wars it wouldn't be making them any money.
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Post by Deth on Apr 25, 2016 21:35:51 GMT
I think this is hat they have been waiting for and want. That way they can go forward with The (be)Trail with a more or less clean slate.
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Post by Spiderweb on Apr 26, 2016 5:44:22 GMT
I think this is hat they have been waiting for and want. That way they can go forward with The (be)Trail with a more or less clean slate. I know how everyone feels about 22cans/Molyneux and Godus, but am wondering how people will treat the Trail, when it comes out. If it's crap, I'm sure it will be massively slated/abused and forgotten. If it came out with very popular reviews, your friends all raved about it, would you buy it? what if it was a renamed game that you didn't know was by them (somehow came out under a different company), but you brought it on the merits of its reviews. Then it was leaked that this was formally know as the trail by 22cans. Would you change you mind about it on principle? FYR My stance is I would buy it if it interested me and had massively positive reviews. Much like any game. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Apr 26, 2016 6:02:44 GMT
Interesting premise. I wouldn't change my mind if I found out it was a 22cans game after the fact. Though I would definitely have preconceptions if I knew beforehand.
I would need to see a lot of gameplay footage and be interested in it before ever taking the decision to buy it if I knew it was from 22cans.
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Post by militairensneuvelen on Apr 26, 2016 7:06:14 GMT
I think this is hat they have been waiting for and want. That way they can go forward with The (be)Trail with a more or less clean slate. I know how everyone feels about 22cans/Molyneux and Godus, but am wondering how people will treat the Trail, when it comes out. If it's crap, I'm sure it will be massively slated/abused and forgotten. If it came out with very popular reviews, your friends all raved about it, would you buy it? what if it was a renamed game that you didn't know was by them (somehow came out under a different company), but you brought it on the merits of its reviews. Then it was leaked that this was formally know as the trail by 22cans. Would you change you mind about it on principle? FYR My stance is I would buy it if it interested me and had massively positive reviews. Much like any game. I am 100% positive they will get slated.... Regardless of how The Betrayal turns out. I see it as some kind of calling, a quest if you like, to warn people not to buy PM (and his associates) related materials. Heck... if I ever see a name of someone connected to Soonus, I will at the very least ask difficult questions. And no, employees of 22cons don't get off (being part of the intricate scam, with ample time to leave/skip/quit etc. ...RESPONSIBILITY...) They dug their own graves so to speak. P.S. Very dissapointing if you bought it knowing it was The Betrayal, made by 22cons etc. Insert your own made up Godwins here (I could think of several in just a few seconds) |
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Post by Spiderweb on Apr 26, 2016 8:25:50 GMT
I know how everyone feels about 22cans/Molyneux and Godus, but am wondering how people will treat the Trail, when it comes out. If it's crap, I'm sure it will be massively slated/abused and forgotten. If it came out with very popular reviews, your friends all raved about it, would you buy it? what if it was a renamed game that you didn't know was by them (somehow came out under a different company), but you brought it on the merits of its reviews. Then it was leaked that this was formally know as the trail by 22cans. Would you change you mind about it on principle? FYR My stance is I would buy it if it interested me and had massively positive reviews. Much like any game. I am 100% positive they will get slated.... Regardless of how The Betrayal turns out. I see it as some kind of calling, a quest if you like, to warn people not to buy PM (and his associates) related materials. Heck... if I ever see a name of someone connected to Soonus, I will at the very least ask difficult questions. And no, employees of 22cons don't get off (being part of the intricate scam, with ample time to leave/skip/quit etc. ...RESPONSIBILITY...) They dug their own graves so to speak. P.S. Very dissapointing if you bought it knowing it was The Betrayal, made by 22cons etc. Insert your own made up Godwins here (I could think of several in just a few seconds) I know and understand peoples disappointment with the whole thing (especially our kick-starter friends with a bit more money invested), but I sometimes don't get the depth of the anger towards 22 cans when some people indicate they brought this on steam probably at around £15 (insert local conversion)? For example, I brought other games and been very disappointed with the supposedly finished\polished article at a greater cost than Godus and I've see good and bad movies from the same actors/directors in the past but don't blacklist them immediately (and we all know what the cinema costs). I read books that don't live up to their promise. All I'm saying is I've seen the same thing done elsewhere with no noise from anyone? Let me be very clear, I'm not saying your position is wrong or the strength of your feelings about it, but I just can't muster up that much hate myself. strangely I see the benefits of conversing on this forum as a result of buying godus and meeting the people here actually far outweighs the cost of buying it (maybe I more easily satisfied). |
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Post by hardly on Apr 26, 2016 8:57:17 GMT
I think this is hat they have been waiting for and want. That way they can go forward with The (be)Trail with a more or less clean slate. I know how everyone feels about 22cans/Molyneux and Godus, but am wondering how people will treat the Trail, when it comes out. If it's crap, I'm sure it will be massively slated/abused and forgotten. If it came out with very popular reviews, your friends all raved about it, would you buy it? what if it was a renamed game that you didn't know was by them (somehow came out under a different company), but you brought it on the merits of its reviews. Then it was leaked that this was formally know as the trail by 22cans. Would you change you mind about it on principle? FYR My stance is I would buy it if it interested me and had massively positive reviews. Much like any game. I'm like you Spiderweb. If the game appealed to me and if it had good reviews and if it was a straight up release (no early access bullshit) then I think I would buy it. Despite my absolute loathing of what has transpired with GODUS, a great game deserves to be bought. To do otherwise would be to cut off my nose to spite my face. Having said that I don't buy a lot of games at full price so its a pretty high bar. Plus I aint buying no mobile crap which I'm pretty sure Betrayal is. The greatest trick Peter Molyneux ever pulled was to convince us that 22Cans was a company that made PC games. I think that charade is over now. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Apr 26, 2016 12:52:41 GMT
Lord Ba'al starts to suspect that Spiderweb has secretly been a 22cans employee all along, hiding in plain sight. just kidding On another note... From a philosophical point of view, how will we be able to report when the world has finally completely forgotten about Godus?
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Post by Spiderweb on Apr 26, 2016 13:41:01 GMT
Lord Ba'al starts to suspect that Spiderweb has secretly been a 22cans employee all along, hiding in plain sight. just kidding On another note... From a philosophical point of view, how will we be able to report when the world has finally completely forgotten about Godus? Damn you got me  ... I get paid to hang out here and alter your perceptions, what gave it away? did you notice the subliminal messages in my posts to the "funny stuff" and "Random stuff" threads  ?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 16:33:17 GMT
Do I hate Molyneux or his machinations? Nope. Am I throughly disgusted by them and the complacency in the industry for passively allowing garbage like Godus to exist? You bet. Then again, this kind of sycophantic kiddie-gloving is nothing new. Hopefully 22cans is making enough with their Asian market that improvements will eventually bleed back to our version(s).
I can dream, can't I?
P.s. I I don't think many aspects of Godus are "garbage". The art for example. But if you throw the art along with all the half-arsed stuff in a forgotten dumpster with last night's takeout... The sum of all parts may just be "garbage". /shrug.
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Post by Deth on Apr 26, 2016 20:03:34 GMT
Yea. I don't hate the man, I hate the process he uses and do not believe in supporting him or it. I do not think I could ever support the (be)Trail in any way for the negativity it causes to Godus. A game after that if it looked good and is not built on the back of Godus then I might support it.
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Post by greay on Apr 27, 2016 7:31:59 GMT
what's a godus
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Post by militairensneuvelen on Apr 27, 2016 8:06:29 GMT
I am 100% positive they will get slated.... Regardless of how The Betrayal turns out. I see it as some kind of calling, a quest if you like, to warn people not to buy PM (and his associates) related materials. Heck... if I ever see a name of someone connected to Soonus, I will at the very least ask difficult questions. And no, employees of 22cons don't get off (being part of the intricate scam, with ample time to leave/skip/quit etc. ...RESPONSIBILITY...) They dug their own graves so to speak. P.S. Very dissapointing if you bought it knowing it was The Betrayal, made by 22cons etc. Insert your own made up Godwins here (I could think of several in just a few seconds) I know and understand peoples disappointment with the whole thing (especially our kick-starter friends with a bit more money invested), but I sometimes don't get the depth of the anger towards 22 cans when some people indicate they brought this on steam probably at around £15 (insert local conversion)? For example, I brought other games and been very disappointed with the supposedly finished\polished article at a greater cost than Godus and I've see good and bad movies from the same actors/directors in the past but don't blacklist them immediately (and we all know what the cinema costs). I read books that don't live up to their promise. All I'm saying is I've seen the same thing done elsewhere with no noise from anyone? Let me be very clear, I'm not saying your position is wrong or the strength of your feelings about it, but I just can't muster up that much hate myself. strangely I see the benefits of conversing on this forum as a result of buying godus and meeting the people here actually far outweighs the cost of buying it (maybe I more easily satisfied). I bought games which were disappointing before and after Godus. Difference is that those other games were genuine attempts at a good game. Godus is just a scam, with no intentions to deliver even 10% of what was promised (that's not overpromising, that's clear scamming) B.t.w. Simcity (2013??) anyone.... |
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Post by bed on Apr 27, 2016 10:38:13 GMT
Lord Ba'al starts to suspect that Spiderweb has secretly been a 22cans employee all along, hiding in plain sight. just kidding On another note... From a philosophical point of view, how will we be able to report when the world has finally completely forgotten about Godus? when the following two things occur: * removed from sale everywhere * this board is officially renamed to genesis.boards.net  |
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Post by mindless on Apr 27, 2016 23:20:29 GMT
the real question is, who will forget about Godus first, the paying public, or the developers themselves?
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Post by totallytim on Apr 29, 2016 21:16:11 GMT
the real question is, who will forget about Godus first, the paying public, or the developers themselves? Most people still employed at 22Cans probably aren't even aware of Godus as they got hired to work on the Trail. In other news, the Steam user review score of Godus Wars dropped to Very Negative. Making it a separate game from Zen Godus really hurt them. |
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Post by hardly on Apr 29, 2016 21:38:34 GMT
the real question is, who will forget about Godus first, the paying public, or the developers themselves? Most people still employed at 22Cans probably aren't even aware of Godus as they got hired to work on the Trail. In other news, the Steam user review score of Godus Wars dropped to Very Negative. Making it a separate game from Zen Godus really hurt them. That is interesting. I thought its reviews would recover somewhat as they got all the reviews from the GODUS veterans out of the way. I guess even new people to GODUS Wars without any baggage hate it.
I feel sorry for Konrad and the team. Its not completely bad as a concept but it is so small scale, content poor and under baked that it deserves a negative review.
When it comes to deciding whether 22Cans should live on as a studio, beyond all the issues of trust, the fact is that they have shown themselves to not be very good at designing or developing games.
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Post by greay on Apr 30, 2016 22:35:51 GMT
Most people still employed at 22Cans probably aren't even aware of Godus as they got hired to work on the Trail. In other news, the Steam user review score of Godus Wars dropped to Very Negative. Making it a separate game from Zen Godus really hurt them. That is interesting. I thought its reviews would recover somewhat as they got all the reviews from the GODUS veterans out of the way. I guess even new people to GODUS Wars without any baggage hate it.
I feel sorry for Konrad and the team. Its not completely bad as a concept but it is so small scale, content poor and under baked that it deserves a negative review.
When it comes to deciding whether 22Cans should live on as a studio, beyond all the issues of trust, the fact is that they have shown themselves to not be very good at designing or developing games.
It would be an entirely different situation if they actually communicated a roadmap – at least then, people could look at it & say, "well, it's not much now, but I can see what they're going for" ... Of course, they'd still have the baggage of having to prove that they'll actually follow through with anything in the roadmap, instead of abandoning it before they even complete the first thing on it. |
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