Lord Ba'al
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I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 21, 2014 21:08:19 GMT
If 22Cans were willing to completely separate the PC version of Godus from the mobile version and to scrap all the elements that make it seem like a mobile game (for example belief bubbles, gems, timers, stickers) and design a version worthy of PC from the ground up even if it took many months, would you be willing to support 22Cans while they further produce the mobile version of the game by playtesting and offering suggestions and bug reports and so on?
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Post by Qetesh on May 21, 2014 22:59:05 GMT
I have trust in this point, I can only go with maybe.
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jpw
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I like: Populus
What I thought Godus was going to be...
I don't like: Waiting
Collecting belief
Stickers
Sculpting
Voyages
Managing settlements
Not being a god in a god game
Chests
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Post by jpw on May 21, 2014 23:03:13 GMT
I have trust in this point, I can only go with maybe. Great minds think alike, and fools seldom differ.
The problem is 22cans now find themselves in a position where not a word, or press release issued can be trusted. We would always be wondering what would they be up to. While Matthew's post on steam seems promising, it is only the beginning of restoring our trust, the existence of this very forum indicates serious problems with their management style. It would be great if somehow they regained my trust, I don't know how they would do that though.
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Lord Ba'al
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Posts: 6,260
Pledge level: Half a Partner
I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
GOG: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 21, 2014 23:35:03 GMT
So far the overall consensus appears to be swinging slightly to the "yes" direction. I have to say that is quite uplifting to see. This seems to prove that we are not all bitter and enraged. Not that I think that people don't have a right to vote for the "no" option as they sure as hell have a right to be pissed off and skeptical. I just mean to say that it is nice to be able to show that not everything is all piss on this forum in light of the recent explosion of the whole steam banning and mobile release rage.  Aaaaah... it's delicious... Huh, what?! *slaps himself in the face* |
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Post by banned on May 22, 2014 1:05:52 GMT
Sad thing is, if instead of silence and lies they had said, "guys, I know some of you shall be unhappy but we need to sell a mobile F2P as a cash grab." There would have had some bitching but nothing like the storm they have reaped.
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Post by Deth on May 22, 2014 1:10:55 GMT
That is my issue. Tell me what you are doing. Give me an idea of where you are going. I just want to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
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Post by bed on May 22, 2014 4:10:07 GMT
fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I wouldn't trust them to do this in any way satisfactory to me. It goes down the core game design.
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Lord Ba'al
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I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
GOG: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 22, 2014 4:40:48 GMT
Sad thing is, if instead of silence and lies they had said, "guys, I know some of you shall be unhappy but we need to sell a mobile F2P as a cash grab." There would have had some bitching but nothing like the storm they have reaped. That is my issue. Tell me what you are doing. Give me an idea of where you are going. I just want to see the light at the end of the tunnel. fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I wouldn't trust them to do this in any way satisfactory to me. It goes down the core game design. All of you are right. I would have been willing to go along with the whole mobile cash cow thing if I had known that at some point it would lead to an awesome none cash cow PC god game. I want clear insight into what is going on. The core game design is indeed very unappealing and there is an awful lot that 22Cans has to prove i order to redeem themselves and truly regain my trust. |
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Post by hardly on May 22, 2014 4:53:55 GMT
Definitely if help them test mobile if quid pro quo we get a good PC game with no FTP bollocks but here's the rub. We can't test the mobile game for them because it's full of FTP bollocks. You can't get past a certain point without joining their weirdo social network and I understand from other people's experience that there are some roadblocks you can't get around later without paying cash.
Having said all that you are correct, we are actually a helpful community, we just hate being lied to and milked for our hard earned money. There is a moral outrage going on here but it is really only about the state of the PC game, the lack of transparency, the complete refusal to accept changes that have 90%+ community backing and the blatant reneging on last promises. All of those things can be fixed if they actually want to but I'm pretty see Peter is 100% committed to FTP in the PC game. Anything that works against FTP is ignored. Which is why Peter is a buffoon and a charlatan.
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Post by hardly on May 22, 2014 4:56:00 GMT
Oh and the other reason we can't help playtest mobile is that they won't talk to us about the mobile version of GODUS. I don't even know how you report issues with it.
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Lord Ba'al
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I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
GOG: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 22, 2014 5:30:17 GMT
Definitely if help them test mobile if quid pro quo we get a good PC game with no FTP bollocks but here's the rub. We can't test the mobile game for them because it's full of FTP bollocks. You can't get past a certain point without joining their weirdo social network and I understand from other people's experience that there are some roadblocks you can't get around later without paying cash. Seriously? You have to join the social network to progress? If I ever encountered that in my PC version I would be so pissed off I would probably go to Guildford on a killing spree. (note: I would never actually do this nor would I agree with such action but I said it for the sake of being graphic) I fucking hate Facebook. Okay, I have a twitter account, but that's as far as I go. And I would never connect that to any game or piece of software that asked me to. Having said all that you are correct, we are actually a helpful community, we just hate being lied to and milked for our hard earned money. There is a moral outrage going on here but it is really only about the state of the PC game, the lack of transparency, the complete refusal to accept changes that have 90%+ community backing and the blatant reneging on last promises. All of those things can be fixed if they actually want to but I'm pretty see Peter is 100% committed to FTP in the PC game. Anything that works against FTP is ignored. Which is why Peter is a buffoon and a charlatan. If that'd be true then I would move for a vote of no confidence in Peter Molyneux and would like to see him removed from office. In that case the light-side will prevail.  |
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Post by Qetesh on May 22, 2014 6:17:43 GMT
I will also never link any game or program to my social media when asked. My business is my business and not anyone else's. This is how people get their identity stolen. Frak that. Not for Sony, not for 22cans, not for Expedia, nobody. They have no right even asking for it. The thought that I backed a game that would do that just turned my stomach more than the F2p.
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Lord Ba'al
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Posts: 6,260
Pledge level: Half a Partner
I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
GOG: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 22, 2014 16:07:49 GMT
Hmmm... the balance appears to have shifted over to slightly on the "no" side.
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Post by Tau on May 22, 2014 16:43:53 GMT
would you be willing to support 22Cans while they further produce the mobile version Thats the point that made me vote "no". If i am not tricked into it, i will never support, in any way, even indirect, the development of a P2W-F2P game. Full period. The only F2P game, that i've actively supported is Path of Exile, because they offer only cosmetics and they don't try to squeeze the last penny out of you with shady techniques. (Also they didn't KS it and went F2P afterwards like 22Can'ts) So, if 22Can'ts would make a full 180° turn, drop all the P2W mechanics, timers and other bottlenecks, wrote an apology and start working on a real game, then yes, maybe. Now the chances for that are sadly exact 0%, i think. |
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Lord Ba'al
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Posts: 6,260
Pledge level: Half a Partner
I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
GOG: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 22, 2014 17:04:42 GMT
I have created another poll that might be of interest. It is loosely related to this one but more generalized. I have stickied it to the board as it will be a continuously running poll. It might be interesting to follow the changes on that one. Go vote on the goodwill meter! |
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chrism
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Post by chrism on May 22, 2014 17:35:44 GMT
It comes down to trust. I don't trust 22Cans anymore. The short term sprint stuff recently published did nothing to appease me. I don't care what the plan is for the next couple of weeks, I want to know what the end point now looks like - if the end point looks like something I can live with, then that is something very different.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 21:10:56 GMT
some Quote from steam Forums :
Guys, I want you to know that I take none of this personally, and was willing to state that I knew a few things even though I knew I'd get this response.
Now, hear me out on something, the mobile release is not a betrayal of the PC, but an enhancement. They want to release it to get another side of gamers into Godus, and hopefully get their opinions and feedback, and then use the combined feedbacks from the PC and mobile to make two AWESOME games. They want to develop both at the same time, for the benefit of each other. That's their plan. It's not for naught, guys, they WANT your feedback, bad or good, so that both the PC and the mobile are both badass
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Lord Ba'al
Supreme Deity
Posts: 6,260
Pledge level: Half a Partner
I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
GOG: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 22, 2014 22:44:44 GMT
Today's video kinda proves that there are not going to be 2 games but both are going to be identical.
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Aaaaah... it's delicious... Huh, what?! *slaps himself in the face*
