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Post by Danjal on Aug 18, 2014 22:02:00 GMT
I'm just worried that this is another thing peter portrayed as something it is not. Saying you'll get a cut of revenue (regardless of profit) is a long way from you'll get a cut of revenue only if and when we make a profit. The prize in a competition is relevant to everyone who entered and not just the winner. I just don't like weasel word and peters wording sounded very dodgy to me. Plus Bryan probably had to sign an over the top NDA. Bryan (aswell as various other high end backers) had to sign a pretty solid NDA indeed as I hear it. Moreover, Godus so far has been delivered on technicalities alone, I suspect this will prove to be the same. Which makes you wonder, if he gets a cut off of the money they make (i.e. the profits), what happens if they end up in the red? Will he get a cut off of the debt? =D |
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Post by Qetesh on Aug 18, 2014 22:03:50 GMT
If it meant I was going to get paid, I would be happy to sign one too. LOL.
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Post by hardly on Aug 18, 2014 22:23:49 GMT
While it's true there has been some inappropriate behaviour on the part of the community (including by me probably) and that 22cans and Peter have been subjected to abuse, Peter appears to be struggling with the fact that we actually expect him to deliver on his promises and act in a way that is consistent with his public statement.
Take the PC version/mobile version debate. First of all I highly doubt he mentioned the PC pause and shift to mobile 9 months ago. If the CMs have a record of this being communicated back then please share it. Perhaps samvt would care to comment on this.
In terms of the dungeon keeper comment my recollection is he made disparaging comments about DK in a number of interviews and not just one as he suggests. He denounced frustration as a mechanic and to turn around and pretend his brand of frustration is somehow ok is ridiculous. It's like me claiming my farts are special while asserting everyone else's smell like crap.
The other funny thing is where he talks about the EA version being just a prototype and not a really game. He makes it sound now like it was a pre alpha but at the time he was spinning it as a beta. He can't keep his spin straight. Basically he's saying he misled us at the time and then acts as if we misunderstood him. Peter it was because you called it a beta and we all understand that to be an all but finished version of a game.
Peter has made mistakes. He should have just developed a PC game and let it be a success or a failure on that basis. If it was a success he could have ported it to various platforms. He knows this is how we interpreted the kickstarter and he's reinforced it by saying at various times PC is the priority. But PC stopped being the priority 9 months ago. They also signed a deal with a mobile publisher and now the whole enterprise rests on mobile being a success.
We are not bullying you, we are holding you to account. If you would just start talking about making this a good PC game maybe we could get started on fixing it.
It felt like in the interview that he's worried about our reaction to hubworld. I think his faux fear about our reaction is a cover for him knowing what he's developed is inadequate.
The truth is Peter was never cut out to work in an indie/kickstarter/ea environment and the sooner he admits that to himself the sooner he can acknowledge his mistakes and move on.
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Post by Danjal on Aug 18, 2014 23:24:02 GMT
Ask yourself this simple question - if you would go around conning people out of their money. Would they remain perfectly polite and such?
Or would they get nasty?
I can assure everyone around here that many of us that still bother to stick around were quite strong defenders at first.
Some still are... Where its warrented. But if you go around stabbing your backers and supporters continuously you can't expect them to just "wait patiently".
Peter acts like he's a victim - he's the one in charge. He's the one that initiated this whole shebang.
As for the 'facts' he throws around, half of them are incorrect and the other half are twisted to show the reality in a different light.
He claims all sorts of BS on prototypes, alpha's beta's and other things that he can't even hold it straight anymore.
I highly doubt he himself knows what the game is supposed to be.
Yes, the game is in development, yes its gonna be rough around the edges and its gonna be missing features.
But once you're nearing your 2 year development cycle, you ought to have SOMETHING to show for yourself.
Some basis of a game you can be proud of. Not some moneygrabbing F2P shade that you yourself claim is an abomination when it is applied by other developers.
One simpel thing that stands above all others. If you set out to form a contract, a deal of any sorts - this includes sales and even crowdfunding projects.
You are required to deliver on your end of the deal. Not through vagueries and technicalities... But in plain honesty.
If you're trying to worm yourself out of these obligations, you're a fraud and a cheat - plain and sim
This man should NEVER be allowed to represent anything. He opens his mouth and he makes people angry.
And then he claims people misunderstand him and that he's the victim in all this, that he has to suffer through it all like he's some sort of marter dying for a cause.
Oh please... -_-; I'd be surprised if ANYONE believes him at this point.
Considering the simple fact that even the mobile release is tanking and people are giving up on a "FREE" product because it is worthless in its current state.
A fun fact - on the one hand he claims that the PC SEA version is a 'prototype', a proof of concept.
On the other hand he claims that the iOS release offers nothing new that the PC release doesn't have...
Soooo the iOS 'release' version, is their proof of concept. Makes you wonder what all of these people are buying their gems for and how that will be handled in the future when the inevitable updates and world resets hit.
This man might deliver some brilliant designs - but he should never be left in charge.
He apparently NEEDS that leash on his neck to keep him firmly in reality instead of some personal little world he seems to be dwelling in right now.
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Post by Gmr Leon on Aug 18, 2014 23:48:47 GMT
A fun fact - on the one hand he claims that the PC SEA version is a 'prototype', a proof of concept. On the other hand he claims that the iOS release offers nothing new that the PC release doesn't have... Soooo the iOS 'release' version, is their proof of concept. Makes you wonder what all of these people are buying their gems for and how that will be handled in the future when the inevitable updates and world resets hit. I think Curiosity proved to 22cans that it doesn't matter what state it's in, what it's considered. They went around calling it an experiment, but I'm pretty sure people still bought some of the microtransactions. As much as people may groan about costs, you'll hardly hear them complain about their own frivolous spending (that's for their partners/family/friends to criticize them over). |
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Post by muumipeikko on Aug 19, 2014 9:06:25 GMT
I think this is a new low for Peter, a teary I was bullied at school and now even in my 50's I'm being bullied but I can take it if it means Godless gets made.
Matt, Maybe you should explain to Peter how normal customer interaction works and this my help to explain to him why he isn't flavour of the month. You can't promise your customers one thing, deliver something completely different and inferior then when they complain just ignore them and in the limited interaction you do give them treat them like complete idiots...
Peter has had a lost of criticism over Godless but you would have to say this is largely through his own neglect and contempt for the community.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 23:37:56 GMT
I think this is a new low for Peter, a teary I was bullied at school and now even in my 50's I'm being bullied but I can take it if it means Godless gets made. Matt, Maybe you should explain to Peter how normal customer interaction works and this my help to explain to him why he isn't flavour of the month. You can't promise your customers one thing, deliver something completely different and inferior then when they complain just ignore them and in the limited interaction you do give them treat them like complete idiots... Peter has had a lost of criticism over Godless but you would have to say this is largely through his own neglect and contempt for the community. Edit: Sorry, that was a little over-personal...  Whether he was bullied or not, He doesn't seem to be able to accept criticism where criticism is due. Especially when it comes to his penchant for promising the moon and delivering a slice of stinky cheese. |
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Post by Qetesh on Aug 19, 2014 23:56:20 GMT
I will say that lately the term "bully" has been abused more than a bit as of late. If I have a small little business and a huge multi million dollar company coming at mine ,I can't cry bullying, it is called democracy. PM is actually calling the consumers and reviewers bullies..........I think someone needs to teach him the term of bully... unhappy customers, and negative reviewrs are not bullies, and you should expect this as a part of a making of a game. This is not some bigger, stronger, meaner being trying to use their influence over you. This is people telling you, that you seem to look down upon they don't like your product and their opinions of how bad your product is.
To make a long story short...
Your a business, you don't get to pretend like you are some school child in a playground being bullied. If you figure out how, please send the explicit instruction to me, so that I can cry like a bitch to squash my competition too.
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Post by Danjal on Aug 20, 2014 0:00:46 GMT
Your a business, you don't get to pretend like you are some school child in a playground being bullied. If you figure out how, please send the explicit instruction to me, so that I can cry like a bitch to squash my competition too. But but but, businesses (corporations atleast...) are people tooo!!!! (legally speaking... don't ask...) |
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Post by Qetesh on Aug 20, 2014 0:02:49 GMT
 Yeah, bullshit.
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Post by Gmr Leon on Aug 20, 2014 0:15:24 GMT
I will say that lately the term "bully" has been abused more than a bit as of late. If I have a small little business and a huge multi million dollar company coming at mine ,I can't cry bullying, it is called democracy. PM is actually calling the consumers and reviewers bullies..........I think someone needs to teach him the term of bully... unhappy customers, and negative reviewrs are not bullies, and you should expect this as a part of a making of a game. This is not some bigger, stronger, meaner being trying to use their influence over you. This is people telling you, that you seem to look down upon they don't like your product and their opinions of how bad your product is. To make a long story short... Your a business, you don't get to pretend like you are some school child in a playground being bullied. If you figure out how, please send the explicit instruction to me, so that I can cry like a bitch to squash my competition too. Well, more like free market than democracy, I'd say. Either way, the only time you get to operate a business and cry about bullies is when you're competing with overwhelming monopolies, if you ask me, but at that point you're kinda screwed unless the government has enough of a spine to push back against that stuff. |
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Post by nerdyvonnerdling on Aug 20, 2014 0:39:10 GMT
There's a lot of terrible things I could say about this interview, but I'll just touch on one point for now - what is with all the emphasis on this "we're going to bring people together" crap? This isn't a freaking civil rights movement, it's just a video game, for crying out loud. You aren't going to bring people together. There is no grand chasm that exists between "casual" and "core" gamers. No one is going to come together as a unified whole just because they may or may not enjoy one little tiny slice of one form of subjective entertainment.
Actually, one more point on his talking about the community being terrible. That's some bullshit, and to me illustrates why I think he's out of touch with the criticism aimed at Godus. The community is full of thoughtful people who consistently post amazing ideas. To me, this game is a heaping pile of boring, utterly forgettable garbage, and the only reason I still pay attention to it at all is because, for some reason unfathomable to me, it has attracted a very interesting community who critique the game in incredibly fascinating ways. To gloss over all that and lump the entire community in with either mouth-breathing idiots who post absurd threats, or the three people out there who actually like the game and post nothing more thoughtful than 'hey, this is great', is absurd.
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Post by banned on Aug 20, 2014 2:20:09 GMT
If it meant I was going to get paid, I would be happy to sign one too. LOL. note: always compare risk/commitment v reward and check the fine print. |
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Post by morsealworth on Aug 20, 2014 18:42:44 GMT
Last time I checked God's don't give a shit who works and who stays home to raise the kiddies. Last time I checked, the most popular (and his popularity makes him pretty much default) god does, as his opinion on the matter was stolen from Greek clan-based system. Not that I think the same as him. Any child needs both parents anyway. |
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Post by Qetesh on Aug 20, 2014 18:49:30 GMT
Last time I checked God's don't give a shit who works and who stays home to raise the kiddies. Last time I checked, the most popular (and his popularity makes him pretty much default) god does, as his opinion on the matter was stolen from Greek clan-based system. Not that I think the same as him. Any child needs both parents anyway. Do you have any kids? My daughter "did without" me for an hour each day after school and for that she had a much richer quality of life without concern of having food on her table, keeping a roof over her head and allowing me to make sure she was able to afford to go to summer camp or the mall with her friends, or roller skating with her friends. This type of thinking is archaic and truly nothing more than BS spin. It is not a part of the ten commandments from " that God" either. |
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Post by morsealworth on Aug 20, 2014 18:53:10 GMT
Last time I checked, the most popular (and his popularity makes him pretty much default) god does, as his opinion on the matter was stolen from Greek clan-based system. Not that I think the same as him. Any child needs both parents anyway. Do you have any kids? My daughter "did without" me for an hour each day after school and for that she had a much richer quality of life without concern of having food on her table, keeping a roof over her head and allowing me to make sure she was able to afford to go to summer camp or the mall with her friends, or roller skating with her friends. This type of thinking is archaic and truly nothing more than BS spin. It is not a part of the ten commandments from " that God" either. It isn't about "cannot do without". It's about "really needs someone reliable when he/she needs one". Not "always". But in times unexpected. How was it? "When you daughter goes to sleep, she has to be sure you're on her side". |
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Post by Qetesh on Aug 20, 2014 19:11:14 GMT
She got off the bus at 4:oopm, I was home by 5:oopm. This is pure and utter BS. Plus when she was young enough to need it, I had someone else there. Will Godus offer babysitters? Most tribes do share parenting responsibilities and prides of lions and packs of wolves and groups of apes do as well.
Quoting the bible and taking it out of context to make a point won't win my POA, you know who else did that? Harold Camping, if you don't know who he is, he is the whack job that had millions of people believing the world was ending 3 times using bible quotes. We are still here an he is now dead, so go figure that one.
So what is it, are you supposed to be tied to your kid like an anchor all day, can you work part-time, or almost full-time or do you really not have a leg to stand on?
You have a habit of making judgements from "science" but really science is just about theories. Until proven beyond a shadow of doubt, they mean nothing. You can find a hundred to prove your POA and I can find just as many to debunk it. Again. I also have the added knowledge of raising a child. I stayed at home part of the time and I worked part of the time. It never changed a thing for her mental being or any needs, except when I did not work, I was less able to provide her with some extras in life.
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Post by hardly on Aug 20, 2014 19:39:11 GMT
Kids need people who care about them and spend time with them. It doesn't matter who those people are.
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Post by Qetesh on Aug 20, 2014 20:22:37 GMT
Kids need people who care about them and spend time with them. It doesn't matter who those people are. They also don't mind if you work and come home an hour after they get home from school each day. I hate it when friends tried to claim how much better moms they were when they sat on their ass while their kids were in school for 8 hours a day. Some kids have a 30-60 minute commute where you can beat them home, but by all means mom should be sitting there waiting in case they need their butt wiped right? Morsealworth? I literally asked my daughter and she told me point blank, I don't care if you work or not Mom, but I do like being able to have and do cool stuff when you do. Since you are so fond of quoting the bible let us not forget this one, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone". If you are not even a parent and have never walked in my shoes then how dare you judge me for it? Of course parents need both parents, but they don't need both parents not to work. That's all in your head. |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Aug 20, 2014 20:30:42 GMT
Damn. I need to go call my parent's and thank them for being awesome. Despite being divorced and working long tough hours, they raised some great kids; we're not "perfect" but we have love and respect.
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Yeah, bullshit. 
