Yo Peter and Jack and the dev team! Let's jam!

I don't like the idea of having to condense anything to get an answer for some questions. I don't think we should be adjusting our questions to make them easier to answer or what is the point? If so, we are not really asking the questions we want answered.

I know you are trying to walk a thin line, but I am sorry, I think you are starting to make too many concessions and it will just water down the entire point of asking questions.

We should be putting up questions and the majority voted for should be presented to them, and they should answer them. Point blank. This is all starting to get very muddled in the process of how to get the answers so at this point, it again feels like we are just being manipulated to an extent.

We just want some answers, this is not rocket science. Please do not water down my question or it is pointless. They need to stop making this so hard, this is their whole problem ever since kickstarter, have they learned nothing from all this?

"Shout, shout. let it all. These the things I can do without......." follow along with me now.

This is outrageous. All the things Matthew says won't change in the PC version are all the crap mechanics that make GODUS a bad mobile port. Hey 22cans you should be ashamed of yourselves. You have conspired to make one of the most universally reviled games in history, diverted PC players money to mobile development and done something that has zero creative merit. If this is where Jack and Peter leave the design I hope 22cans goes bust and that you never work in the industry. There is no place in PC gaming for charlatans like you.

Why do I keep following this game again after reading crap like that? Yea you can mod Homeworld but Hubworld is a no go, so I guess there goes the Homeworld will feed Hubworld. There really is no hope to get anything close to what they talked about during the kickstarter. I guess there "plans" and implementation have evoled into something else.

Edit: Well at least they have said "Here is the game you are going to have. So I should be happy with that and can finally put aside any hope of getting the game I wanted. Sorry 22cans not to seem out to get you, but I wish a company would come along and build the game we thought you were building and just sale like gang busters and show you how badly you missed the boat.

I kind of feel like I may have derailed this positive thread a bit, and that wasn't my intent. I still am hoping that this gains some kind of traction, that it at least gets some definitive answers (whether we like them or not), and that maybe it'll be enough for me to hang arohnd just a bit longer. I just needed to point out that, based on George's two posts in that thread - essentially "we tend to prefer moving ahead with our own creative solutions where our vision for the game and that of the community's do not align with one another." and "Influencing the design of the game is not the same thing as setting or dictating its direction. People backed a Peter Molyneux game and that is what we are delivering." - that I don't get the feeling they sincerely want our input; they just want analytics, general feedback on features, and stability and bug reports.
Suggestions about what we'd like to see in game, or how we'd like mechanics to function vs how they currently do, and any ideas that don't gel with the grand mysterious vision, are simply going to be disgarded and ignored.
At least, that is what I get from reading those.
It's my interpretation and opinion, but I am making every effort to conclude that from a professional perspective, and it seem clearly written on the wall.
It's not that I cannot wait for the video, or that they choose to go that route instead of a blog post or direct conversation. It's not that I am impatient to see the next roadmap or content/update release notes. It's not that I hold some deep hatered or distain towards Peter or any of tthe 22Cans.
It is simply that which I said above; I no longer believe they're interested in Backers and Early Access players making suggestions for gameplay. They just want us to test what they toss our way, and report our experiences and issues (bugs/glitches/stability).

Also, I did not back this project simply because it was a Peter Molyneux game - as I actually almost didn't because of his reputation - but I backed the regenesis god-game vision described in the kickstarter pledge.
Knowing that it was coming from someone that worked on Populous and Black & White was a factor in the decision, not the sole reason.
To make a blanket statement like that just set off alarms in my head that I've apparently bet on the wrong horse.

There's still the possibility my lost faith is misplaced, and they're about to give us some marvelous stuff. But until and unless I see that evidence to the contrary, perhaps in the next update & video, then all my bets are off the table.

I'll leave the lashings in Gmr Leon's capable hands.

As bullies have in the past stolen Peter Molyneux's lunch money, so has Peter Molyneux stolen the Kickstarter backers' gaming money.

If any of my patrons wanted answers and I acted like this, I would go out of business, quickly.


I really don't even comprehend how this is even an issue. Stop making excuses and trying to control the spin and just answer the questions.

I don't want a video, I just want answers! I don't need to hear it from PM, he sticks his foot in his mouth every time he speaks, and quite frankly, he outright insulted me as a backer, so please can a CM just get us some answer and stop trying to spin something that will never work being spun.

Thats the thing, We have questions, many of them.
If 22cans can't take the time to answer some basic questions about their own game.
Then how do they expect that we treat them with any form of respect?

Quid pro quo - we're literally making it as simple as this. Answer these questions as a show of your intentions towards PC.
No marketing fluff, no PR piece, no media hype. Just plain answers. Whether we'll like the answers or not - answer honestly.
Take the time to PROPERLY answer the questions to the best of your abilities - and if there are questions that can't be answered, provide a satisfying reason why this is the case. ("Iterative design" and "continual development" aren't bulletproof shields... Neither is early access...)


So from where I'm at. You (Gmr Leon) have done far FAR more than would normally be expected from a PAYING CUSTOMER to get some answers about the product he paid for. (And ofcourse this is partially a joint effort with others assisting.)
The extend to which questions should be condensed is that all the doubles should be removed and that perhaps certain questions could be catagorized so that they are put together in a similar subset. But other than that, the questions should be put as close to the source as possible.
These are the questions the community has - and there have been many like it.

Its up to 22cans to return that with a bit of respect of their own. And if Peter can't be relied on to spend a few hours on this. Then by all means knock over his throne and have some of the other cans do it for him. I think we all here would be more than satisfied no matter who ends up giving the answers. Aslong as they are given in truth and with the respect that 22cans would like to receive in the future. (Let it be clear - if they treat this as a one-off PR piece, then let that also set the future of how they will be perceived and treated.)

Respect begets respect. Spite turns into more spite. The reality is that we got here because many felt they were cheated and wronged, so they felt no compuction to bother with pleasantries anymore.
We've done our part (once again) and towards that end there's little more we can do.


As for managing the community - we won't have control over them ever. Kiddy gloves are NOT the solution.
As much as you'd love to endulge Peter (and in a sense Aynen) in this, I truely believe this is the wrong way to go about it.
You treat someone the way you want to be treated yourself - and I'm pretty sure you don't want to be treated like a wounded animal or a daft little kid cowering in the corner.
So lets not treat Peter that way either. We're all adults here...


*EDIT*
Long story short - once the questions have been collected and the sheet handed over. There is little more we can do.
While we can attempt to steer conversation in more favorable channels by closing down the outright hateful posters.
Ultimately, there's little we can do - and it is up to the moderators to ensure that forum quality is upheld (ofcourse this is in regard to the steam boards).
By either engaging with reason or not engaging at all, and further relying on the established authorities to deal with troublemakers.

Thats it, the rest is all up to how 22cans will respond. They took 20 months to get this clusterfuck here - they can take a few hours to answer some questions.