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Post by hardly on Sept 29, 2014 19:52:14 GMT
steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/616189106667544614/#pThis is the kind of thread that annoys me. Guy on steam raises legitimate concerns about the astari. The astari aren't fundamentally flawed - the idea is solid it's just the implementation/balancing is sloppy. What I'd have liked to see is 22cans acknowledging the issue and advising us how they plan on fixing it. This would give me confidence for wayworld where there will be two astari tribes. But instead Matthew posts off the issue. I don't want Matthew not to post but I do really want 22cans to genuinely acknowledge issues like those that exist around the astari and share their ideas for fixing them. As things are going if the astari get fixed the solution will come out of the blue with no warning or discussion. Has anyone seen 22cans comment on improving the astari? Apologies 22cans if I've missed a post where this is addressed.
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Post by Gmr Leon on Sept 29, 2014 21:07:52 GMT
Honestly, most of what I've seen is some acknowledgment of ways to work around/against the Astari more than anything. I don't think I've seen any direct, clear address of how they may intend to adjust them. Maybe the usual passing mention of it's being looked at, but nothing more than that. If anything, it almost puts me in the mind of their response to timers, which is to say entrenched.
They'll obviously give us the positive vibe we want to hear of balancing/looking at, but when it comes to being changed...
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Post by 13thGeneral on Sept 29, 2014 21:11:42 GMT
Fat chance; most likely the Astari function exactly how intended, therefore they do not plan to make any significant changes based on feedback.
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Post by hardly on Sept 29, 2014 21:43:16 GMT
I don't expect them to come out and say this is how we'll fix them if they haven't figured it. What they could say is these are some the issues we are aware of and we and working on solutions if you have any ideas send them through and we'll add them to the mix.
I think one of the reasons there is resistance to collaborating about this and other features as even things like astari are part of f2P balancing.
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Post by Gmr Leon on Sept 29, 2014 22:28:00 GMT
By the way, I think this post by Salmon may be the last/most recent word on the Astari situation. |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Sept 30, 2014 3:47:51 GMT
By the way, I think this post by Salmon may be the last/most recent word on the Astari situation. Well, that's better than nothing. Although it's really too bad it's coming from a QA guy, and not an actual officially sanctioned update notice. |
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Post by hardly on Sept 30, 2014 5:57:13 GMT
If they said: "these are the issues we've identified with the astari and we are working to find solutions" that would be a good start. Then it would give us some boundaries to discuss solutions. I think this is what 22cans need to do with community engagement, give the community some defined scope to discuss mechanics where we know 22cans are interested in solutions.
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Post by Danjal on Sept 30, 2014 13:34:58 GMT
I for one would love to see them make a list of current features and basicly go over them saying:
- These features are "done" and are not scheduled for alterations.
- These features are "incomplete" and will undergo changes in the future.
- These features are currently being worked on.
I doubt they'd ever tie themselves down like that though.
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Post by 13thGeneral on Sept 30, 2014 15:10:34 GMT
I for one would love to see them make a list of current features and basicly go over them saying: - These features are "done" and are not scheduled for alterations. - These features are "incomplete" and will undergo changes in the future. - These features are currently being worked on. I doubt they'd ever tie themselves down like that though. I highly doubt they will either, and they have practically stated as such. Especially since we've been asking for this sort of info since the first Alpha. |
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Post by banned on Oct 4, 2014 2:50:30 GMT
steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/616189106667544614/#pThis is the kind of thread that annoys me. Guy on steam raises legitimate concerns about the astari. The astari aren't fundamentally flawed - the idea is solid it's just the implementation/balancing is sloppy. What I'd have liked to see is 22cans acknowledging the issue and advising us how they plan on fixing it. This would give me confidence for wayworld where there will be two astari tribes. But instead Matthew posts off the issue. I don't want Matthew not to post but I do really want 22cans to genuinely acknowledge issues like those that exist around the astari and share their ideas for fixing them. As things are going if the astari get fixed the solution will come out of the blue with no warning or discussion. Has anyone seen 22cans comment on improving the astari? Apologies 22cans if I've missed a post where this is addressed. "fundamentally flawed" only if viewed as a game mechanic instead of the paywall mechanic they actually are. |
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Post by Danjal on Oct 4, 2014 4:46:45 GMT
Well, atleast from the PC perspective they are fundamentally flawed as a paywall aswell, since they removed the "pay" method from the wall =P
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 17:02:19 GMT
I ve got a question by now.
Does somebody know if iOS players pay with money for their gems in Godus in the actual version? I've seen such a commentary about transactions on steam forum. I can't confirm by myself, and by now.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Oct 4, 2014 17:08:21 GMT
I assume they do pay money for gems.
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Post by Danjal on Oct 4, 2014 18:40:23 GMT
Yes, the entire freemium business model relies on monetary transactions, aside from a few smaller ones that get their money through advertisements.
Pretty much guaranteed that if there's a store - there's real-money-transactions involved.
And as I understand it, some people easily pay upwards of 50~100 euros/dollars if they don't pace themselves and just keep buying packages.
The abusive ones get kids hooked and kids that get access to a credit card literally spend hundreds or thousands of euros/dollars.
Only a few days ago I saw a report of a kid that had a creditcard hooked to the itunes account and spent €37k (x1,25 approx for dollars) on some mobile game.
Thats real money... Not ingame currency...
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I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Oct 4, 2014 20:27:14 GMT
I had a customer on the line a few days ago who said there was about 800 euros of unauthorized transactions on her credit card. The card was hooked up to her son's account. Fraud department had investigated but concluded there was no evidence of fraud. I.e. dear son had just wasted mommy's money.
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Post by Danjal on Oct 4, 2014 20:42:09 GMT
Apple has actually implemented a rule that allows the refund of transactions on these kinds of games if it can be proven that it was done by a child/grandchild without the parents knowledge or consent. Though in practice I don't know how restrictive that rule becomes. ("No honestly, I didn't know he did that!" / "He didn't know he was spending real money!") |
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Post by hardly on Oct 4, 2014 20:43:33 GMT
I'd love to hear from some mobile people who have bought gems on how much they've spent and how they feel about wayworld. It's one thing to spend money on a little boost for your game, it's another thing to be cut off from that little boost by a shift to another land. What do you do once you get to wayworld? Buy more gems? Grind it out? How many of these people want to effectively start again and if they did would they buy more gems?
The other interesting thing is in browsing their Facebook posts about the iOS issues it appears most people have spent in the region of $40US which is a lot for a game like this. I don't like the whole free 2 play model. I'm not talking here about pc versus mobile, I mean the fact that if you spend say $5 on GODUS you get negligible benefit, to get the full free to play experience you need to spend significantly more than the purchase price on PC. If I was a game developer i would feel dirty about this.
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Post by Danjal on Oct 4, 2014 21:54:02 GMT
A definite fair question - considering how Homeworld will effectively become a belief generator once you have all the cards unlocked (iOS users can't even use the Pit of Doom to generate gems unless they offer the Pit of Doom as a $10~20 unlock...)
And that is assuming they don't somehow lock gems and belief to their respective worlds (which I could see them doing if they really want to encourage people to purchase more gems).
Though I can see them pulling something along the lines of "We'll add more things to Homeworld at a later date." or some such nonsense.
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Post by banned on Oct 5, 2014 15:50:18 GMT
Well, atleast from the PC perspective they are fundamentally flawed as a paywall aswell, since they removed the "pay" method from the wall =P Dude, get it through your head. They have not a single fuck to give for PC. This is an iOS cash grab game and we just funded it. The PC getting the scraps from the iOS game is "par for course". Sorry, game over. 22cans et al are scum, and shall never endeavor to achieve the game they promised in the kickstarter. Acceptance of reality is step one in recovery. |
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Post by banned on Oct 5, 2014 15:51:32 GMT
I ve got a question by now. Does somebody know if iOS players pay with money for their gems in Godus in the actual version? I've seen such a commentary about transactions on steam forum. I can't confirm by myself, and by now. The morons do. |
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