The Basic Premises of Persistent Frustration

I don't disagree at all. However I felt it was best to clearly describe these points and set the story straight, that it isn't on us to deliver or direct the game, it's on them. Any attempts to frame it as if it was in some way due to our behavior is merely an excuse for their misbehavior and misconduct.

Seriously, unless someone at 22cans forgot to send me my paychecks for the last couple of years, I really don't OWE them anything.

For the billionth time, they asked for money, we gave it to them, much much much much than they asked for, in fact. They promised a product and to this date have failed to provide it. Any other business doing this would be under and certainly laughed off the planet if they tried to blame it on their backer's "behavior".

What has this world come to?

I also know for a FACT that they did promise a PC based God game first and foremost. We asked this question about a hundred times in Alpha and were told repeatedly that this was the case so can we please cut out the bullshit spin that it is our assumption and it was never promised. That is the type of stuff that gets my goat. That is the type of comments I would expect to hear from some sleazy used car salesperson. You know we know that you did, so let's not go down that road again if you want to retain any level of good faith ever again from the community.

This is not new, and it's not going to change. My opinion is that the game is developped the same way while the internet didn't exist(what a good time), it's just the way the studios has decided to work and from the beginning as we can notice it, "now".

22cans does its best to deliver their product which is first the mobile version obviously for the people who knows that before to go to the market, you need to have some coins in your purse, thank you.

I'd say at the moment, they have given enough informations(2 updates and 3 little videos) to the backers to know what the studio's doing, even if some of "us" who litterally spend their life online, are a bit frustrated not to be able to chat or tweet with the very few CM(or even the studios head) who are already busy dealing w/ waves of people from the iOS and maybe soon from the Android platform(which is more people), and who are indulgent/patient to deal with the bullshit from some people sometimes, CM's: congatulations.

In clear, and for a little studios of 22 people who deals with an ambitious project: they have other fish to fry(sorry).

I just say that as a piece of advice on health concern note for the few people out of here, who I believe spend too much time waiting that the full game s going to be realease in half an hour on the linux platform.

Last note, to me, and I'm not against anybody, I felt really amusing to see "World strocking simulator 2014" going back and not to give a shout about what was going on around Godus, surely an example to follow except if you took money from your grandmother to back that project.

If there's some negativity about the project, it's probably due to some phenomenon called nerdness, that's it.

Give yourself some peace.

Ciao.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

Believe it or not, some of us have been in very similar situations... although 22cans is quite unique in that it has rather daftly driven itself into a pickle of its own making with the Kickstarter > SEA > Mobile Saga...

I'm not trying to imply that you yourself have done anything wrong, but imo when toe'ing the company line starts to cause you this kind of stress, it's not going to get better with a few successful fuzzy-feel-good posts. 22cans fan base is reacting the way it is for a definitive reason. No amount of narrative gymnastics will change that. Action will. Unfortunately you aren't in a position to decide that action. Hence my empathy for your situation. Just a side thought. Judging by your experience... I'd venture a guess that you are more than capable of dealing with trolls/flamers/etc. on a daily if not hourly basis. Therefore I'd imagine the source of at least some of your stress lies in the rebuttals your team frequently faces from the more outstanding, thoughtful, and well mannered members of the community. If that is the case, may I humbly suggest that the root problem is not, in fact, "the amount of abuse you are forced to endure" at least from the community side of things. 

I had the unfortunate experience of working for a very internally dishonest gaming company at one point in my career. I left. I'm very glad I did. The stress and potential moral compromise wasn't worth it. I hope you aren't dealing with a similar climate.

Edited: for completing incomplete thoughts, as usual

i personally don't live and breathe by what happens with Godus. I have major other shit going on in my life. I don't really need the updates, I did however want the answers. I am not happy that not once did they ever come out and answer with a resounding YES, we will give you that game, so now, I am not a happy camper.

I will continue to live my very full life, full of friends, a wonderful partner, and family and soon to be adorable furry babies just fine. I will continue to have a life that involves dealing with my USA business and my new life in Belfast along with a fast approaching wedding coming up. I have a full plate but if someone tries to serve me day old hash for the price of filet, I will still bitch.

If some want to Rah-rah at the slightest crumb, enjoy, but don't try to piss on my parade if I will to scream from the hilltops when I hear something that is upsetting to my stomach. I promise if you want to make a thread about how grand it is, I won't come around and tell you I feel sorry for you. 

"some kind of people"?

Really? Am I missing something there?

What is that supposed to insinuate? Chat is a not forced upon anyone. If they cannot handle the heat, they are always able to get out of the kitchen.  

He meant himself.

This - I see it so often "My english bad, excuse me if make mistake!"
And somehow that turns into their greater divine understanding of the situation at hand.

As Earl says here, we're not responsible for the internal goings on at 22cans. We entered in a legally binding contract with 22cans by buying their product.
It should never become our responsibility that 22cans actually delivers on their sale - yet that is exactly what has happened.
"Nerdness" being a problem? What about fraudulence and poor business management?


Peter made the poor judgement of going into crowdfunding for his mobile-focused game. When sales dropped on Steam and the Early Access platform wasn't all he hoped it to be he jumped full force onto the iOS deal with DeNA.
Now, almost a year after that shift in focus iOS is showing problems and guess what? 22cans is prepping their next jump towards Android.
I'm sensing a pattern here.

Meanwhile we still lack any semblance of a goal, milestones and planning.
Anyone with access to google can find a wide variety of accounts by indie developers and traditional developers on how the development of games (or any other project-based production for that matter) tends to go.

You start with a vision, something you want to create.
You then lay down what it is you need to achieve that vision (that goal). So you end up setting boundaries.
What do you *NEED*, what would be nice to have but not essential, what would you want to add if you have extra time and what should *NOT* be part of the project.
Then, once you have a better understanding of what it is you're looking at, you start by laying down some timelines. You start planning.
To reach X and Y we need the following mechanics and systems in place. We expect that *these* features will take us so long, meanwhile *these* features can be worked on by the art department while the coders are working on *this*.

Thats when a general roadmap forms. You end up setting boundaries and requirements aswell as a vague outline and planning because you know certain features will be dependant on others.
(Context: For hubworld to function, other features like sculpting and the follower mechanics aswell as a variety of godpowers need to be in place. Meanwhile other elements can be expanded upon afterwards and are not essential to have.)

Yet 22cans doesn't have such planning. And therein likes the problem that Peter has with making public statements and having a transparant development.
Peter has a habit of changing his mind randomly mid-project. To suddenly have this bonkers idea of doing things differently and simply throwing everything out the window they have worked on thus far. To scrap entire sets of code regardless of whether they worked or not - because *HE* didn't like the way the paint smelled.

Simple example: The multiplayer content from v1.3 was removed because Peter felt it was 'off' - and while I admit that the story-part was a little bit creepy (keep in mind, this was made by the very same 22cans...) its pretty universally acknowledged by PC players that the removal of the multiplayer bit removed massive replay value from Godus as a whole.
Similarly the removal and readdition of various godpowers throughout the game. I get that they need to find a balance and that certain powers may need to be entered later than others.
But core functionality like dig being removed MULTIPLE times? And a simple 'raise land' power still being absent officially (there should be a workaround by FoG-ing rubble or rocks).


And that poor planning combined with insubstantial communications (words but no actions) are what have resulted in a long stretch of Iterative Frustration.
Because whatever else 22cans are doing, there's little development or progression going on within the walls of that office.