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Post by Gmr Leon on Nov 14, 2014 19:32:11 GMT
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Post by Danjal on Nov 14, 2014 19:54:41 GMT
To be fair, the "serious" attempts are still in the works.
So we're judging the system on those that flunked out and couldn't pull through.
Games get cancelled and fail to see the light of day in the "traditional model" aswell - we just never (or atleast rarely) get told about it.
Which is to say, yes the Early Access model has its flaws.
But half of those flaws lie with the lack of homework done by the consumer.
People buy anything shoved in front of their noses without looking whether it is sound.
Then complain if it breaks down.
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Post by Qetesh on Nov 14, 2014 23:44:55 GMT
To be fair, the "serious" attempts are still in the works. So we're judging the system on those that flunked out and couldn't pull through. Games get cancelled and fail to see the light of day in the "traditional model" aswell - we just never (or atleast rarely) get told about it. Which is to say, yes the Early Access model has its flaws. But half of those flaws lie with the lack of homework done by the consumer. People buy anything shoved in front of their noses without looking whether it is sound. Then complain if it breaks down. Yes especially when they are misled. It's a sad thing that we should all start assuming not to believe anything promised to us unless we have researched the past deeds to show their is a shot we are not getting a bait and switch. |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Nov 15, 2014 2:33:16 GMT
To be fair, the "serious" attempts are still in the works. So we're judging the system on those that flunked out and couldn't pull through. Games get cancelled and fail to see the light of day in the "traditional model" aswell - we just never (or atleast rarely) get told about it. Which is to say, yes the Early Access model has its flaws. But half of those flaws lie with the lack of homework done by the consumer. People buy anything shoved in front of their noses without looking whether it is sound. Then complain if it breaks down. Yes especially when they are misled. It's a sad thing that we should all start assuming not to believe anything promised to us unless we have researched the past deeds to show their is a shot we are not getting a bait and switch. I'm a very kind, trusting, and friendly person.. but unfortunately that's one of the big lessons I've learned in my years on this planet; take nothing for granted and do your research, because people will fleece you for all you have. It's sad, but at least this day and age we have the ability to do so if we choose - thanks internet! |
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Post by Qetesh on Nov 15, 2014 9:39:15 GMT
I too have been taught by 22cans never to blindly trust a Kickstarter. I don't have time to spend researching other companies reputations so unless the day comes that one I already trust comes up, I won't be backing anything on Kickstarter anytime soon. I also feel somewhat betrayed by KS itself, I feel they should be more responsible to see to it that their backers are not being tricked into giving monies when companies do such acts as 22cans has. I don't know how badly I would have felt it I had only been a Steam EA player with a bit less skin in the game, but I do agree it is also a very wrong thing to do.
Analogy queen time again...If you promise potato salad then you had better damn well make some, not some lame ass coleslaw. If you do try to pass off coleslaw as said potato salad then KS should sanction you and require you refund all your backers for failure to fulfill your KS core project and gross misconduct and misuse of KS funds or face fraud charges in a court of law.
I have to say that if other gaming companies are pulling this kind of stuff on Steam, then it should go the way of the dinosaurs. Or perhaps Steam should just evaluate how much it is willing to protect the players from being tricked and/or scammed? Steam needs to decide if it's reputation and good name is more important than a few extra quick bucks, or better yet, find another way more honestly and morally to make those extra quick bucks.
I am also curious where is the line drawn? If I go to KS and promise a children's non for profit center and get 500K and then turn around and build a spa for the rich, would there not be fraud charges coming my way? Why is promising a PC non F2p game any different than a Mobile F2p? It is very clear this is a path they did with foreknowledge and then tried to cover their tracks quite unsuccessfully to date. At the very least 22cans and it's controlling employees and owners should be barred from ever performing any type of crowd funding or Early Access again.
I don't even really consider this negative, I consider it the truth. 22cans has wronged thousands of people if they had not continued to do so on Steam, their forums would not be so negative. Little by little perhaps PM is getting some of this into his head now, but for a very long time he denied and denied and denied what he was doing. He alone made what 22cans did to us feel not only like ignorance but malice. I just hope when the company goes under once and for all, nobody ever gives him the power to do such a thing again. He should be working for someone that can control him and if he wants to make a F2p game that is grand, then he should go work for a company that will be open and honest about it's intentions and he will find a crowd of players that adore F2p. He might have been a great lead designer at one point but he does not have the skill set that is needed to be a gaming company owner, CEO or president. His delusions of grandeur will never come to fruition by means of deception. Sound harsh? Sorry, but I think someone needs to knock him off his pedestal and bring him back down to earth. He is no God, he is just a guy that tried to pull the wool over a ton of people's heads to make as much cash as he could without caring about how much he had to sell his soul to do it. Some of you will say you don't feel it was intended to be done like this but sorry the timing, the lies, and spin and insults have now completely convinced me it was.
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