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Post by earlparvisjam on Jan 27, 2015 11:01:25 GMT
I'd forgotten why it was I hardly ever bother to post on the Steam forums any more. This whole interchange is comedy gold. It's amazing to see a mod trolling the forums so hard. That last line is a beaut. It's like a gold plated turd.
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Post by sidara on Jan 27, 2015 14:46:06 GMT
Crucifixion's a doddle.
Also: metaphor
[met-uh-fawr, -fer]
noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”.
Thank you for reminding me why I rarely visit the Steam forum.
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Post by Crumpy Six on Jan 27, 2015 15:02:38 GMT
I don't really understand Muir and Aynen's motivation - Aynen, you post here, maybe you can share your thoughts?
Sam, Matthew and George all got paid to be community advocates and they all left (for varying reasons, but none seemed too content with the way the project was handled). Following their departure from their roles, none of them had cared to stick around in the community to continue to support Godus. That is pretty telling.
The volunteer mods, on the other hand, have been cheerleading this product through thick and thin. I think if PM put out a video which literally said "fuck Godus, I hated that project and everyone involved in it and the very thought of it makes me sick" Muir would continue to optimistically claim that Godus fulfilled its Kickstarter obligations and the future looks bright. I know some people just love the idea of the sort-of-power that being an INTERNET FORUM MOD brings, and I can't imagine either of them have any further interest in the project than continuing to hold that "prestigious" role.
This would also explain the tendency to grab on to any excuse, however tenuous, to dish out warnings. Not that we should complain, because the moderation of the Steam forum now is significantly better and less censored than it was in late 2013 when Muir was looking after it all himself.
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Post by Casinha on Jan 27, 2015 15:16:42 GMT
The steam forums look like a tired, angry place.
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jan 27, 2015 15:36:45 GMT
The Steam forums in general (not just Godus) are a very peculiar and often unpredictably vitriolic place, and I think much of the oddity of this phenom derives from the vast variations in the backgrounds of users; it's one of those rare places where young & old(er) interact, where hardcore and casual mingle, where world cultures clash, and ideas and ideals coalesce, on a regular and consistent basis. It's truly an accumulation of a global (gaming) populous, and shows just how similar-yet-different we all are. Unfortunately that melting pot culture tends to boil and spoil, rather than brew into a delicious stew.
Interestingly, you get communities - like Godus - where the Mods seem to act like vigilant guards against all-who-would-oppose, while the passionate users clamber and claw at thier shackles despite the wounds. While other communities - like Armello - where the Mods & Devs do everything right, but the majority of (Steam) users come across as entitled juveniles filled with angst and bile because they didn't get as many cookies as anyone else. Neither community deserves to have such polar opposition, and in most places I frequent it isn't like this; but Steam seems to foster a very hostile gathering oasis.
Sometimes I get where the mods are coming from, and occasionally agree with their actions, but sometimes I feel they moderate for the sake of moderation - acting with lack of any real reason to; perhaps out of boredom, self-empowerment, or simply misinterpreting rules/posts. Often times users do a fair job of self-moderating, without intervention, and yet sometimes all it takes is one rogue comment to send any thread into a chaotic madmax thunderdome of terror, from which no mod could contain.
I try not to drink the water there, if I can avoid it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 16:24:23 GMT
It always seemed to me that Muir and Aynen were given the "bad cop" role so George and Matthew were free to cultivate better community relations. Now that the good cops are gone, neither Aynen nor Muir seem to have anything to add to the steam forums and for obvious reasons, they aren't really left with much to do. Not sure why it seems they insist on riling up the denizens of Steam even further.
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Post by Spiderweb on Jan 27, 2015 16:29:00 GMT
I almost gave up posting altogether, if not for the much less juvenile and respectful atmosphere here I would of.
I can also see how 22cans do themselves no favours, I had hope briefly with the Q&A and PC Sprint, but that all came crashing down with "The Trail" and the movement of personnel.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 16:32:19 GMT
SNIP. I think if PM put out a video which literally said "fuck Godus, I hated that project and everyone involved in it and the very thought of it makes me sick" Muir would continue to optimistically claim that Godus fulfilled its Kickstarter obligations and the future looks bright. Ain't that the truth. I'd really love to see Muir write an in depth analysis on exactly how all those kickstarter promises have been fulfilled. (SPOILER ALERT) They haven't.
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Post by hardly on Jan 27, 2015 18:36:40 GMT
The steam forums suck. The moderation is poor and most of the good people left or reduced posting because of this.
Ba'al and Qetesh don't need to punish people here and yet we have no problems. Why do you think that is?
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Post by Crumpy Six on Jan 27, 2015 18:44:11 GMT
The steam forums suck. The moderation is poor and most of the good people left or reduced posting because of this. Ba'al and Qetesh don't need to punish people here and yet we have no problems. Why do you think that is? I think this forum works better because: - It has a smaller user base with fewer drive-by illiterates - It's mainly like-minded individuals - The mods don't have an agenda to push
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Post by engarde on Jan 28, 2015 8:53:22 GMT
ah but their agenda is there is no agenda to push, except Baal's whisk(e)y and Qetesh's life goal of removing f2p...
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jan 28, 2015 9:43:09 GMT
ah but their agenda is there is no agenda to push, except Baal's whisk(e)y and Qetesh's life goal of removing f2p... You have seen through my evil scheme.
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Post by nikink on Jan 28, 2015 9:58:26 GMT
Well, to be fair... it *was* pretty transparent. And sort of yellow/brown-ish...
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Post by Crumpy Six on Jan 28, 2015 14:25:30 GMT
The "top 3" thread has received its inevitable lock from Muir. If there's one thing the dying Steam forum needs, it's more conversations to be shut down. Way to go.
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Post by greay on Jan 28, 2015 17:25:50 GMT
The "top 3" thread has received its inevitable lock from Muir. If there's one thing the dying Steam forum needs, it's more conversations to be shut down. Way to go. Can they not split threads on the Steam forums?
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Post by Crumpy Six on Jan 28, 2015 18:09:08 GMT
I don't think they can, but even they could, splitting out those conversations instead of locking the threads would be counter to Muir's objective of trying to discourage people from pointing out all the dishonesty and failings of 22Cans.
It seems like any time these subjects are raised it's deemed off-topic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 18:59:38 GMT
I don't think they can, but even they could, splitting out those conversations instead of locking the threads would be counter to Muir's objective of trying to discourage people from pointing out all the dishonesty and failings of 22Cans. It seems like any time these subjects are raised it's deemed off-topic. Poor Muir, always being forced by the magical steam elves to lock threads after 3 warnings. What a world. ),:
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Post by hardly on Jan 28, 2015 19:32:29 GMT
What they miss is that nobody cares if threads go off topic, if people say things that are mildly offensive or unfounded. The world goes on. The OP can always call people out if they want to.
Look at our forums here, we constantly go off topic and yet our forum is more vibrant and easier to navigate and participate in despite our moderators seemingly lacking any interest in actually moderating.
Part of the problem is the steam mods need to feel like they have a role and that role is to moderate, so if they aren't warning, locking and banning they are useless. They must have a purpose to be important so they ban, lock and warn people.
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Post by arryu on Jan 28, 2015 19:53:20 GMT
The "top 3" thread has received its inevitable lock from Muir. If there's one thing the dying Steam forum needs, it's more conversations to be shut down. Way to go. Can they not split threads on the Steam forums? Not directly, but if a mod made a thread specifically for the off topic discussion (if it had enough substance/deserves to be its own discussion) and move the relevant posts there. It's a bit more work but it beats having 3 threads locked in the last two weeks, IMO. Going back on the steam pages within the first 5 pages there are seven locked topics, most of them for going off topic. The closest I've seen to that many locked topic in one (steam) forum is the Towns forum. And we all know the story there. How do the mods not see the problem lies not with the community but with the game and development style? I know he might not see this, but *grabs megaphone* HEY MUIR! CONVERSATIONS EVOLVE! THE SUBJECT MIGHT CHANGE OVER TIME AND IT WON'T END THE WORLD! YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOCK EVERY THREAD THAT HAS A SIDE DISCUSSION!
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Post by Qetesh on Jan 28, 2015 22:50:05 GMT
he,he,he,he.......................you are all cracking me up!
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