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Post by hardly on Feb 4, 2015 4:15:08 GMT
Is anybody else worried that 22cans is ticking of promises which could lead to a declaration of "it's done". I'm glad they are thinking about a story but I'm also really concerned that they are layering a story over a deeply flawed game. Part of me still hopes that homeworld will be replaced with something better but once the story is in place it would seem to be final.
I'm also worried that the story is an afterthought, a technicality that will allow them to declare the game is done. Is anybody else worried about them slowly wrapping up features and declaring the game complete without major changes?
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Post by nikink on Feb 4, 2015 6:24:06 GMT
Nope. I figure they've already done that. Anything else that happens is merely a bonus.
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Post by Spiderweb on Feb 4, 2015 6:29:18 GMT
Is anybody else worried that 22cans is ticking of promises which could lead to a declaration of "it's done". I'm glad they are thinking about a story but I'm also really concerned that they are layering a story over a deeply flawed game. Part of me still hopes that homeworld will be replaced with something better but once the story is in place it would seem to be final. I'm also worried that the story is an afterthought, a technicality that will allow them to declare the game is done. Is anybody else worried about them slowly wrapping up features and declaring the game complete without major changes? Well I am worried they are just trying to tick the kickstarter boxes, as it does feel like that is the remit, but at the same time they need to do them just to make a game too. (I'm not a KS). I brought this game on the back of PMs reputation as many did, that view is now a soured one. He has jumped ship and left the cabin boy in charge. Weather he is up to it remains to be seen. This game thanks to PM is over promised and to much of a stretch to make everyone happy. I hope the guys left can make it playable, but I think we shouldn't be looking at Godus to be anything more than it is with a few things that moo can do tacked on. i think the reimagining of the genre is too much to expect from Godus. I will look elsewhere for that but my hopes for this being what was sold are at zero. |
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Post by hardly on Feb 4, 2015 7:24:37 GMT
Its the difference between going forward or looping back and fixing what came before. What came before is fundamentally flawed, if they don't revisit that the game will always be shit. I'm worried Moo's mandate might turn out to be polishing a turd rather than actually fixing what is wrong with the game.
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Post by militairensneuvelen on Feb 4, 2015 7:24:58 GMT
They were already doing that a couple (3-4) months ago. "Worship" = follower bows 2x when you build something. God game & bow 2x when building something = Worship?  Really... I have nothing positive left to mention. All hope is lost. Abandon ship. [HudsonAliens]That's it, man. Game over, man! Game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do? [/HudsonAliens] Impossible to achieve without making it a proper game by the way. 1 of the Kickstarter promises is you being able to "found your own sect" (which dictates that there should a be religious system in the game (an obvious one) from which the player can take a different route). There needs to be an original route first though. 1st Person world crafting... nope, not with this kind of studio support/backup (as in, no not with 2 guys running the show, ever...) Personally, I'm still waiting for them to start on this portion of the game "It’s a living world, unique and detailed. And it’s a world you influence, whether you’re good or evil". Good or Evil... yes the game doesn't give fuck all about my intentions or dispositions.... |
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Post by hardly on Feb 4, 2015 7:37:00 GMT
They were already doing that a couple (3-4) months ago. "Worship" = follower bows 2x when you build something. God game & bow 2x when building something = Worship? Really... I have nothing positive left to mention. All hope is lost. Abandon ship. [HudsonAliens]That's it, man. Game over, man! Game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do? [/HudsonAliens] Impossible to achieve without making it a proper game by the way. 1 of the Kickstarter promises is you being able to "found your own sect" (which dictates that there should a be religious system in the game (an obvious one) from which the player can take a different route). There needs to be an original route first though. 1st Person world crafting... nope, not with this kind of studio support/backup (as in, no not with 2 guys running the show, ever...) Personally, I'm still waiting for them to start on this portion of the game "It’s a living world, unique and detailed. And it’s a world you influence, whether you’re good or evil". Good or Evil... yes the game doesn't give fuck all about my intentions or dispositions.... Im pretty sure that last bit will go the way of the haircuts in Fable.
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Post by militairensneuvelen on Feb 4, 2015 8:30:45 GMT
They were already doing that a couple (3-4) months ago. "Worship" = follower bows 2x when you build something. God game & bow 2x when building something = Worship? Really... I have nothing positive left to mention. All hope is lost. Abandon ship. [HudsonAliens]That's it, man. Game over, man! Game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do? [/HudsonAliens] Impossible to achieve without making it a proper game by the way. 1 of the Kickstarter promises is you being able to "found your own sect" (which dictates that there should a be religious system in the game (an obvious one) from which the player can take a different route). There needs to be an original route first though. 1st Person world crafting... nope, not with this kind of studio support/backup (as in, no not with 2 guys running the show, ever...) Personally, I'm still waiting for them to start on this portion of the game "It’s a living world, unique and detailed. And it’s a world you influence, whether you’re good or evil". Good or Evil... yes the game doesn't give fuck all about my intentions or dispositions.... Im pretty sure that last bit will go the way of the haircuts in Fable.
Never tried Fable (the 1st P.M. game I didn't get I suppose...) Lemme guess, the depth of Fable was in the incredible amount of the haircuts/hats? |
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Post by hardly on Feb 4, 2015 18:13:18 GMT
No, as I recall it peter said that people would start copying your hairstyle as you became more famous. This feature never made it into the final game.
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Post by hardly on Feb 4, 2015 18:16:22 GMT
Further to this thread I'm really worried with how the story mode is being discussed implemented. It sounds like it's done and therefore they will lock in a lot of the content and flaws of the game. It sounds like James Leach has been there for about 5 minutes signing off this story which will just be layered on top of a game which doesn't support any meaningful interaction with followers.
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Post by darkmoondragon on Feb 4, 2015 18:48:18 GMT
Lots of really good games have very little story: you have to find three or four things to save the world; or you have to defeat a bunch of characters in order to save the world, etc.. I agree with most of what's being said here. A living world that you can interact with meaningfully, which becomes good, bad, mechanistic, tranquil and park like, etc. based on what you do and which is occasionally threatened from the outside sounds a lot like a story, or at least a decent game. A story, even a good story, laid over the top of an unfinished game is not a good game. A story, even a great story, which is not successfully interwoven with the game mechanics is not a good game. In a good game the game mechanics and the story are flawlessly meshed together.
Just an opinion. I wasn't there for the disappointment.
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Post by earlparvisjam on Feb 5, 2015 2:02:52 GMT
They were already doing that a couple (3-4) months ago. "Worship" = follower bows 2x when you build something. God game & bow 2x when building something = Worship? Really... I have nothing positive left to mention. All hope is lost. Abandon ship. [HudsonAliens]That's it, man. Game over, man! Game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do? [/HudsonAliens] Impossible to achieve without making it a proper game by the way. 1 of the Kickstarter promises is you being able to "found your own sect" (which dictates that there should a be religious system in the game (an obvious one) from which the player can take a different route). There needs to be an original route first though. 1st Person world crafting... nope, not with this kind of studio support/backup (as in, no not with 2 guys running the show, ever...) Personally, I'm still waiting for them to start on this portion of the game "It’s a living world, unique and detailed. And it’s a world you influence, whether you’re good or evil". Good or Evil... yes the game doesn't give fuck all about my intentions or dispositions.... My guess is that the pet is going to resemble the angel/devil from Black & White. Ooh, look, we have a glorified Clippy giving you pointers and you can respond to him and ask him questions. Despite all the soft option criterion, it won't matter in the least. They aren't going to be able to soft option the multiplayer option. The single biggest thing that's going to break Godus' Kickstarter is the multiplayer system. There's no way around them having to implement God of Gods. Hell, it's entirely possible that people who paid into Curiosity could sue. It's the equivalent of holding a raffle and then not providing any prize to the winner. Going back to the KS page, I stumbled into this gem I'd forgotten about: "The deities you will battle against in the game are reminiscent of Populous. These will vary in intelligence and challenge. You will find that no matter what your skill level you will be challenged. Multiplayer will offer a deep and competitive design along with ranked matchmaking so that no matter how hardcore you are, there will be a game for you. " With all that Moo's stated about how they're implementing combat, this bit from the FAQ at the bottom of the page isn't going to be fulfilled in any way shape or form. I'm thinking Moo needs to go back to that Kickstarter page and do a serious once-over of the whole thing to see just what he's gotten himself into. The way things are progressing now, they'll accomplish the soft targets and still miss the mark by a wide margin. The way things are going, it's only going to end in breach of contract. |
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Post by hardly on Feb 5, 2015 3:46:36 GMT
I don't mind compromises as long as they lead to a good game. Ultimately that was the promise made to backers, that godus wouldn't suck. I'm very worried that the current wave of compromises will lead to a declaration of completion.
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Post by earlparvisjam on Feb 5, 2015 3:59:14 GMT
I don't mind compromises as long as they lead to a good game. Ultimately that was the promise made to backers, that godus wouldn't suck. I'm very worried that the current wave of compromises will lead to a declaration of completion. What I'm talking about is pretty much non-negotiable. There's no way they could push out a version of Godus without implementing multiplayer (The whole God of Gods system specifically) and expect it to fulfill contractual obligations for Kickstarter. Additionally, it would open them up to possible action by anyone that bought into Curiosity because it eliminated the "prize" they were promising for that entire game. Imagine if there was a raffle for something "completely awesome and mind-blowingly cool" inside a sealed box. The raffle finishes, the winner is determined, and it turns out to be empty when the box is opened. It's fraud, no matter how you slice it. That's what the winner of Curiosity and all the people that bought into it are facing. So, not only are they looking at breach of contract for Godus' Kickstarter but they're heading toward possible fraud charges for their previous project. I'd love to get people to clamor for a giant empty box and market it as containing the next big amazing innovation in technology. Talk about cashing in on reputation... |
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Post by hardly on Feb 5, 2015 4:36:16 GMT
I don't mind compromises as long as they lead to a good game. Ultimately that was the promise made to backers, that godus wouldn't suck. I'm very worried that the current wave of compromises will lead to a declaration of completion. What I'm talking about is pretty much non-negotiable. There's no way they could push out a version of Godus without implementing multiplayer (The whole God of Gods system specifically) and expect it to fulfill contractual obligations for Kickstarter. Additionally, it would open them up to possible action by anyone that bought into Curiosity because it eliminated the "prize" they were promising for that entire game. Imagine if there was a raffle for something "completely awesome and mind-blowingly cool" inside a sealed box. The raffle finishes, the winner is determined, and it turns out to be empty when the box is opened. It's fraud, no matter how you slice it. That's what the winner of Curiosity and all the people that bought into it are facing. So, not only are they looking at breach of contract for Godus' Kickstarter but they're heading toward possible fraud charges for their previous project. I'd love to get people to clamor for a giant empty box and market it as containing the next big amazing innovation in technology. Talk about cashing in on reputation... Yes you are indeed right. Although in my country they raffled 30 cars (one a day for a month) and they were not delivered. It seemed there was no law against not providing prizes in competitions. Perhaps it's the same in the UK since many of our laws are similar and we have the same common law history. |
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Post by Spiderweb on Feb 5, 2015 9:10:47 GMT
What I'm talking about is pretty much non-negotiable. There's no way they could push out a version of Godus without implementing multiplayer (The whole God of Gods system specifically) and expect it to fulfill contractual obligations for Kickstarter. Additionally, it would open them up to possible action by anyone that bought into Curiosity because it eliminated the "prize" they were promising for that entire game. Imagine if there was a raffle for something "completely awesome and mind-blowingly cool" inside a sealed box. The raffle finishes, the winner is determined, and it turns out to be empty when the box is opened. It's fraud, no matter how you slice it. That's what the winner of Curiosity and all the people that bought into it are facing. So, not only are they looking at breach of contract for Godus' Kickstarter but they're heading toward possible fraud charges for their previous project. I'd love to get people to clamor for a giant empty box and market it as containing the next big amazing innovation in technology. Talk about cashing in on reputation... Yes you are indeed right. Although in my country they raffled 30 cars (one a day for a month) and they were not delivered. It seemed there was no law against not providing prizes in competitions. Perhaps it's the same in the UK since many of our laws are similar and we have the same common law history. I reckon if PMs latest interview is correct (prob exaggerated) they will have enough cash to pay off the kickstarter tiers that they can't meet. Obligations over. |
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Post by hardly on Feb 5, 2015 9:39:29 GMT
Hmm possibly but I don't think they have that much money. If godus was making that much they wouldNt have given up on it. If they have made that much money it's disgusting given the state of the game - lost progress etc.
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Post by Spiderweb on Feb 5, 2015 10:04:27 GMT
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Post by engarde on Feb 5, 2015 10:16:45 GMT
So two teams one of 22 and one of 6 - do we need to guess which is which?
It's not clear to me is the trail is with 14steps i.e. the 6 or not.
Prior to the article I'd presumed both godus and new shiny were all under 22cans.
I've not noticed mention of 14steps elsewhere so I'd presumed on the top level 22 and 6 that 22 were on trial and 6 were the remainder working their notice on godus story et al.
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Post by Spiderweb on Feb 5, 2015 10:57:55 GMT
Maybe 14steps is referring to the number of tick boxes to meet KS promises.
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Post by Qetesh on Feb 5, 2015 14:00:25 GMT
They are far from our KS promises, so I shall be waiting for that check.
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