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Post by hardly on Feb 11, 2015 19:21:52 GMT
At worst, it actually happened that way and he cares so little about Godus that he gutted the project when it most needed manpower and hid away while the community languished in ignorance of the situation. If this was what really happened, George and/or Matthew would have known about it. Not necessarily. Wouldn't be surprised if there was loads we weren't brought into the loop about, tbh - although there's nothing special about that as far as the videogames industry is concerned. My professional advice? Rather than having "some sort company policy where we say our employees never tweet or Facebook or comment about anything in work", a studio's management (doesn't just have to be 22cans, this could apply elsewhere too) should be more forthcoming and transparant with all studio staff about present issues, especially when it comes to small teams (where small is defined as less than 30). But that'd just be my two cents as a CM. I don't have Peter's years of experience from which to draw, so I could be missing the bigger picture. I think you are missing the fact that the more people involved the harder it is to maintain the deception. Moo will be in trouble because he told the truth. He should get a medal for his efforts but I bet bad shit is going down at 22cans. |
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Post by bed on Feb 11, 2015 20:32:22 GMT
This is a nonsensical excuse. I mean, he's on record. There's plenty of archived video. Hell, in March of last year, at the GDC conference in SF, they were showing a hubworld video to help sell the game, and Peter swore up and down it was just about to be implemented (in the GDC video it is implied that the hubworld launch was going to coincide with the mobile launch), along with commandments. 'Connecting up to 50 million people' is a direct quote out of his mouth. 'All of this sounds unbelievable', 'sounds like one of my crazy promises', 'but 'since it's going live in 3-4 weeks time, you can judge it there, so, there you go'. Direct from his mouth. So yeah. Hubworld not being implemented doesn't have a damn thing to do with whatever server issues the publisher had just this December. That publisher that, it must be stressed, they swore up and down they'd never have back in the kickstarter campaign. The publisher that they then even tried to deny was a publisher and not just a 'mobile partner'. The video with Konrad, Jack & Peter was the worst they've ever done - Konrad's body language was clear IMO. I admire your ambition Konrad - but have zero faith, not because of you - but because of the decision makers. What a joke. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Feb 11, 2015 22:53:22 GMT
Well done PM, once again you end up sabotaging your own endeavors. Konrad is the only member of 22 cans with any level of integrity or credibility, and you want to lock him away, and shut him up behind an NDA. I trust Konrad, I do not trust You. Excuse me dear mindless but please don't forget about Raspofabs who is loved and revered by all. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 1:13:12 GMT
Not necessarily. Wouldn't be surprised if there was loads we weren't brought into the loop about, tbh - although there's nothing special about that as far as the videogames industry is concerned. My professional advice? Rather than having "some sort company policy where we say our employees never tweet or Facebook or comment about anything in work", a studio's management (doesn't just have to be 22cans, this could apply elsewhere too) should be more forthcoming and transparant with all studio staff about present issues, especially when it comes to small teams (where small is defined as less than 30). But that'd just be my two cents as a CM. I don't have Peter's years of experience from which to draw, so I could be missing the bigger picture. I think you are missing the fact that the more people involved the harder it is to maintain the deception. Moo will be in trouble because he told the truth. He should get a medal for his efforts but I bet bad shit is going down at 22cans. Right? I'd bet you an entire 6 months of God of Gods revenue that at the office Peter isn't going on about his shortcomings and failures, as admitted to in his recent vids and interviews. He's more likely to be going off on Moo and whoever else has spoken on these boards for for their "ungrateful betrayal". I'd imagine by now he's concocted some inane, illogical reasoning in his head as to why this PR whirlwind is directly and soley Moo's fault alone. And it'll be really really sad if he does. If Moo gets jettisoned from 22cans for this.. I hope we rally around him and support him in whatever endeavor he embarks on next. He was one of the only non-spinny people to ever grace this forum, and I perosnally applaud him for it. |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Feb 12, 2015 2:03:30 GMT
I think you are missing the fact that the more people involved the harder it is to maintain the deception. Moo will be in trouble because he told the truth. He should get a medal for his efforts but I bet bad shit is going down at 22cans. Right? I'd bet you an entire 6 months of God of Gods revenue that at the office Peter isn't going on about his shortcomings and failures, as admitted to in his recent vids and interviews. He's more likely to be going off on Moo and whoever else has spoken on these boards for for their "ungrateful betrayal". I'd imagine by now he's concocted some inane, illogical reasoning in his head as to why this PR whirlwind is directly and soley Moo's fault alone. And it'll be really really sad if he does. If Moo gets jettisoned from 22cans for this.. I hope we rally around him and support him in whatever endeavor he embarks on next. He was one of the only non-spinny people to ever grace this forum, and I perosnally applaud him for it. With all of the current media attention, he can't do something as blatant as fire the one developer on staff everyone is focusing on; they'd look positively evil if they did. It would be a foolish move right now, and certainly be the final nail in Godus' (and likely 22Cans') pine box coffin. However, once the fever subsides, there's a good probability that he might be pressured to do so by the other "shadow council" members. They shoved him into the limelight and got more than they expected out of it; I'm sure what they thought would happen, putting a relative new comer in the front line was the polar opposite of what occurred. Though I'm sure a portion of it was hoping he'd take the brunt of blame, being the "Lead Designer" on Godus, but they didn't take into account that we'd make sure that couldn't happen. |
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Post by mindless on Feb 12, 2015 2:19:58 GMT
Well done PM, once again you end up sabotaging your own endeavors. Konrad is the only member of 22 cans with any level of integrity or credibility, and you want to lock him away, and shut him up behind an NDA. I trust Konrad, I do not trust You. Excuse me dear mindless but please don't forget about Raspofabs who is loved and revered by all. My apologies, i've been watching this drama unfold over the years, but havn't been following it from day to day, so I was unaware there were other good guys still left working behind enemy lines. In truth there probably arn't too many bad guys in the company, they are merely following orders, I think we all know where the true blame lies |
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Post by Raspofabs on Feb 12, 2015 9:59:37 GMT
Excuse me dear mindless but please don't forget about Raspofabs who is loved and revered by all. My apologies, i've been watching this drama unfold over the years, but havn't been following it from day to day, so I was unaware there were other good guys still left working behind enemy lines. In truth there probably arn't too many bad guys in the company, they are merely following orders, I think we all know where the true blame lies As with all places of work, there are some dark souls, and some paladins. |
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Post by greay on Feb 12, 2015 13:28:29 GMT
At worst, it actually happened that way and he cares so little about Godus that he gutted the project when it most needed manpower and hid away while the community languished in ignorance of the situation. If this was what really happened, George and/or Matthew would have known about it. Not necessarily. Wouldn't be surprised if there was loads we weren't brought into the loop about, tbh - although there's nothing special about that as far as the videogames industry is concerned. My professional advice? Rather than having "some sort company policy where we say our employees never tweet or Facebook or comment about anything in work", a studio's management (doesn't just have to be 22cans, this could apply elsewhere too) should be more forthcoming and transparant with all studio staff about present issues, especially when it comes to small teams (where small is defined as less than 30). But that'd just be my two cents as a CM. I don't have Peter's years of experience from which to draw, so I could be missing the bigger picture. See, this is why I like you. Shame you're off to better places... I mean, congratulations. |
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Post by militairensneuvelen on Feb 13, 2015 7:50:43 GMT
B.t.w. " but then our publisher dropped this massive bombshell on us" Title: Godus Genre: Indie, Simulation, Strategy, Early Access Developer: 22cans Publisher: 22cans Ltd. Release Date: 13 Sep, 2013 Fuck you Pete. Fuck you very much....  |
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Post by hardly on Feb 13, 2015 7:56:28 GMT
B.t.w. " but then our publisher dropped this massive bombshell on us" Title: Godus Genre: Indie, Simulation, Strategy, Early Access Developer: 22cans Publisher: 22cans Ltd. Release Date: 13 Sep, 2013 Fuck you Pete. Fuck you very much.... I can take your blame, if you need someone to blame put it on my shoulders..... why isn't multiplayer working Peter..... our publisher let us down. |
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