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Post by hardly on Mar 31, 2015 3:33:32 GMT
I don't have a problem with Peter's categorisation of gamers by spend as it's useful for estimating numbers even if perhaps not the most accurate or fair method.
In terms of the team size on GODUs, my concern is that if he only changed tack because of media then the goal is keep media/lawyers off his back. If that is the goal the end product will likely be the bare minimum to achieve that which will fall far short of our expectations. There are a lot of ways to meet promises though technicalities (e.g. The current implementation of the story) without meeting the spirit of the promise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 4:05:43 GMT
<snip> In terms of the team size on GODUs, my concern is that if he only changed tack because of media then the goal is keep media/lawyers off his back. If that is the goal the end product will likely be the bare minimum to achieve that which will fall far short of our expectations. There are a lot of ways to meet promises though technicalities (e.g. The current implementation of the story) without meeting the spirit of the promise. I agree with you here, as this has been a growing concern for many of us. As an aside, I do appreciate you folks on here that are able to offer criticisms, concerns, and insights without the emotional bits I seem to be incapable of refraining from each time I hear PM spout more of his garbage narrative.
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Post by engarde on Mar 31, 2015 8:16:47 GMT
I particularly disliked the we finished with our second game and dropped the team to 25% so the rest can do new and shiny - followed by the anyone with no experience but will to work like a dog for nothing care to apply for a job final screen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 15:34:53 GMT
What I can retain from that conference is that developpers (some kind of) are here to harvest people's money, and people I'd extend. That's not wrong.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Mar 31, 2015 15:45:20 GMT
What I can retain from that conference is that developpers (some kind of) are here to harvest people's money, and people I'd extend. That's not wrong. It is wrong. You can make profit as a gamesdeveloper but that's not what developing games is about. If you're getting into it for the money then you're doing it for the wrong reason. The number one goal should be to create something that people can enjoy and possibly inspire them. Peter has obviously completely lost track of that somewhere along the way. It's all about the money now.
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Post by mindless on Mar 31, 2015 17:59:34 GMT
The best game developers create games that they want to play themselves, If you makes games that you like to play, there is a good chance others will want to play them too. That should always be the motivating force behind developing a game.
When you develop games with with the singular intention of just making money, well, you end up with something just like Godus.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 18:53:14 GMT
The hell is going on over on the steam forums?... steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/618457398965689062/#p3I think Aynen has finally gone over 9000 and assumed his final form as Peter "the disingenuous pok-e-god" Molyneux². It appears that video link ruffled some feathers over at the ol' 21cans hacienda... time to suppress that sucka, down into the dirt!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 19:08:57 GMT
The hell is going on over on the steam forums?... steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/618457398965689062/#p3I think Aynen has finally gone over 9000 and assumed his final form as Peter "the disingenuous pok-e-god" Molyneux². It appears that video link ruffled some feathers over at the ol' 21cans hacienda... time to suppress that sucka, down into the dirt! I had just registered to note this bit. If anyone is curious about the post that made Aynen slip on the jackboots to find another PR banana peel to dance upon, here you go: Then after his warning about "spamming" a reference: Apparently this video is really painful to 22Cans...which is funny since its again PM up on the stage. That means they're trying to PR whitewash the big name at the company. This is so hilariously bad, I could almost feel sorry for them. Anyone want to help them learn Streisand Effect, or are they again taking Streisand Effect as a suggestion?
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Post by mindless on Mar 31, 2015 19:11:50 GMT
Welcome to the forums mandrake
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Post by hardly on Mar 31, 2015 19:44:57 GMT
The question we should be asking is why has the "a little praise" thread not been moved to the 22cans and Kickstarter sub thread. The answer is because it's positive and only negative/embarrassing threads get buried in sub threads. The whole forum moderation over on steam is a joke and the sad thing is they don't realise it's a joke.
The whole situation is ridiculous and they aren't brave enough to even defend it. I console myself with the knowledge that the mentality that leads to this type of forum moderation will lead to them being unemployed/hated in any future work environment because quite frankly overly keen rule obssessed people who can't look at the bigger picture end up delivering mail and working in filing (appologies to anyone who might do these jobs) being paid peanuts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 19:55:04 GMT
The question we should be asking is why has the "a little praise" thread not been moved to the 22cans and Kickstarter sub thread. The answer is because it's positive and only negative/embarrassing threads get buried in sub threads. The whole forum moderation over on steam is a joke and the sad thing is they don't realise it's a joke. It doesn't take more than a few minutes of light reading over the forum to quickly spot numerous posts that fit the asinine criteria the mods used to shuffle undesirable posts off into the sunset. Which is rather funny, since currently we find ourselves in a world where being warned for "being koy" (sp. coy) is a thing, you'd think Aynen would retroactively be perma-banned at this point based on his shoddy job of enforcing his own sub-forum criteria (e.g. being coy).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 20:06:55 GMT
The question we should be asking is why has the "a little praise" thread not been moved to the 22cans and Kickstarter sub thread. The answer is because it's positive and only negative/embarrassing threads get buried in sub threads. The whole forum moderation over on steam is a joke and the sad thing is they don't realise it's a joke. I think that was an obvious test, one that flew right over 22Cans' heads as their moderators clutched their fake "Steam rules" to their chests along with that Aynen let slip that he's under orders. Now we just need to see how far up the...nevermind. About the most sure thing that could be said for their future employment is that they're willing to drink whatever flavour Kool-Aid they're told to. Edit: So after the thread has served its PR purpose on the main forum it is shunted off to the off-topic forum, and can be used to (again) shift blame while conveniently leaving out that I was discussing the...same thing in the...off-topic...
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Post by Gmr Leon on Mar 31, 2015 20:10:22 GMT
lol A Little Praise has now been moved.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 20:11:53 GMT
Ha... this is comedy gold...
DJ just requested the "A Little Praise" thread on Steam be deleted. The mods have repeatedly stated that they would delete a thread if the OP asked them to. So true to form, Aynen did what the OP requested and deleted the thread locked it instead, not only disobeying the OP, and going against their own professed rules as far as requested deletion, but making it more difficult for the OP to repeat his request for deletion if desired.
You cannot make this hamfisted BS up folks. #onlywith22cans
EDIT: *drumroll* AND moved to Off Topic... yowza
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Post by mindless on Mar 31, 2015 20:18:27 GMT
I seriously don't know what else they could do at this point to make things look any worse, just when I think they have hit rock bottom, they always find a way to dig just that little bit deeper. Do they not see the irony of doing this inside the praise thread, have they never heard of restraint? lol A Little Praise has now been moved. Thus proving once again that their system of categorizing is only meant to filter out negativity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 20:25:33 GMT
Only after the off-topic is done serving as PR on the main forum does it finally get moved.
#22CansClassic
I guess I'm to blame for ruining the "good vibes" by pointing out that the new artist is apparently working on holiday themes, while the rest of the development is still in question because apparently pointing out that the team is too small is somehow offensive to the team. *shrugs* It's their own ulcers, then.
Keep in mind - this is the thread in which it was revealed that Fabs was leaving, so if they didn't want people discussing production of the game...they warn and then move the thread after blaming someone for posting concerns quite on-topic to that thread.
There is a reason for praise when they do things right...but when there is some doubt behind what they're doing it should be cleared up and not completely thrown away by moderators who can't keep their thought-policing via fake "Steam rules" consistent.
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Post by mindless on Apr 1, 2015 13:01:33 GMT
OK, here is a treat for you guys, I've sat down and transcribed the whole bloody presentation (took me a damn long time to work through it all, I tell you what, listening to molyneux for that length of time nearly drove me insane)I find it is easier to take your time reading through and digesting everything in a written format, rather than sitting and listening to someone talk at you for a long time, so to make everyones life easier, here it is. Enjoy... p.s. Mandrake, if you want to go ahead and post this up on the steam forums, be my guest, I doubt they could claim this is spamming when its not been presented in this format before
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Post by mrdrpink on Apr 1, 2015 14:01:07 GMT
The hell is going on over on the steam forums?... steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/618457398965689062/#p3I think Aynen has finally gone over 9000 and assumed his final form as Peter "the disingenuous pok-e-god" Molyneux². It appears that video link ruffled some feathers over at the ol' 21cans hacienda... time to suppress that sucka, down into the dirt! I had just registered to note this bit. If anyone is curious about the post that made Aynen slip on the jackboots to find another PR banana peel to dance upon, here you go: Then after his warning about "spamming" a reference: Apparently this video is really painful to 22Cans...which is funny since its again PM up on the stage. That means they're trying to PR whitewash the big name at the company. This is so hilariously bad, I could almost feel sorry for them. Anyone want to help them learn Streisand Effect, or are they again taking Streisand Effect as a suggestion? Tbh this video hasn't really hurt us in anyway. What you have to remember with this video is that Peter is giving a talk to a room full of developers, who are looking insights, knowledge and the ability to network among other companies. Casual Connect is produced by the Casual Games Association and is the premiere event for the casual games industry with over 6,500 professionals attending Casual Connect each year. Casual Connect brings together the most talented and knowledgeable experts in the casual gaming field to further the casual games industry with the best of networking and learning. Please keep in mind that each Keynote is carefully tailored to event. As Peter was giving a speech for Inspirations for a new design. His insights are crafted to talk to developers, not consumers. P.S. Mandrake have you tried the combat on the Opt-In branch yet?
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Apr 1, 2015 15:24:30 GMT
OK, here is a treat for you guys, I've sat down and transcribed the whole bloody presentation (took me a damn long time to work through it all, I tell you what, listening to molyneux for that length of time nearly drove me insane)I find it is easier to take your time reading through and digesting everything in a written format, rather than sitting and listening to someone talk at you for a long time, so to make everyones life easier, here it is. Enjoy... p.s. Mandrake, if you want to go ahead and post this up on the steam forums, be my guest, I doubt they could claim this is spamming when its not been presented in this format before I feel your pain.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 15:42:00 GMT
"...and that means esentualy to the new piece of IP that I'm working on, is that you've got to plan that right at the very start. It's no good and this is with the approach that I took. It is absolutely no good to release the title and just see how it goes. What we did with Godus and it was a fatal mistake." -PM- As it turns out.. the "suck it and see" approach, just sucks. Who knew!?
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