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Post by mindless on Apr 25, 2015 9:03:53 GMT
Hi guys/gals. I've just created a new thread over on the steam forums, bringing up the topic of refunds, talk of which usually gets erased instantly due to being a violation of the rules. But for some inexplicable reason the mods have decided not to delete this one for a change ( Yes its been relegated into off-topic, but I can deal with that, hell thats where all my posts tend to end up, so I'm more than used to it by now). Basically all I want to know is how much of a negative effect is 22 cans no refunds policy exerting against community good will. Would alot of the animosity towards them be dissipated if refunds were to be offered? Or is the negativity coming from some other motivation, e.g. the feeling of being conned / betrayed etc. It finally looks like they are at least willing to let this discussion now happen within the officially supported steam forums, so if you haven't logged in on there in a while, it might be worth checking out, just to add your 2 cents. I'd like to invite the kickstarter backers into the conversation but with me not being a backer I can't post into their comments. Whatever your thoughts i'd like to hear them. Godus Steam Forums: A Debate About Refunds |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Apr 25, 2015 12:23:20 GMT
Even if they would issue refunds it wouldprobably not be for any useful amount. As a kickstarter backer I am unlikely to see my 100 pounds returned. Though it would certainly come in handy. If there is any movement with 22cans I would see them offering a discount on the trail instead.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 20:30:18 GMT
Even if they would issue refunds it wouldprobably not be for any useful amount. As a kickstarter backer I am unlikely to see my 100 pounds returned. Though it would certainly come in handy. If there is any movement with 22cans I would see them offering a discount on the trail instead. I doubt 22cans would do anything that could elevate them to the level of elephants pile of Double Fine - too much work, and apparently there's just not enough time in a day or a week to do simple jobs at 22cans much less think of anything (see some of the excuses around development) - so that even a comp'd half-arse game to "apologise" for another half-arse game might be too much for them to handle. ("We're losing money...from customers who are done with us anyways...but we're losing money!" will be the silly business mentality behind it.) About the best 22cans would do, and they would deem it a generous amount since they were bothering to do it at all, would be to offer a discount for the game that was really "Invest-to-play". See, Goad Us was invest-to-play...buy it and you get to pay for 22cans to skive off on another title! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 1:02:39 GMT
Even if they would issue refunds it wouldprobably not be for any useful amount. As a kickstarter backer I am unlikely to see my 100 pounds returned. Though it would certainly come in handy. If there is any movement with 22cans I would see them offering a discount on the trail instead. I don't think a discount on the trail will happen. I am pretty sure it's mobile only.
And if it really will come to refunds i am sure they will subtract the rewards they had delivered, more or less. T-Shirt 30$, Artwork 30$, two Alpha updates 25$, the game on steam 25$, the game on mobile (which means almost indefinitely versions of the game) priceless, millions of informative video updates, 5 years of beta access, a metaphor of an acorn, the chance to name our clan and design our flag). At the and we will have to give them some more money. 
I would be happy with a refund. I don't see this game coming to a state that's at least a bit of enjoyment for me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 1:48:33 GMT
And according to the "logic" of their moderators routine PR liabilities:
"We're sorry we couldn't do everything we said we would, we were on a 'sprint' on the documentary which means that we can't possibly work on anything else at the same time..."
Yeah, I have a feeling The Trail will be entirely mobile, as the "design sprint" was 22cans running from the thing as far as possible - it is actually painful to see 22cans or their moderators try to convince themselves otherwise, because nobody is really believing that line when the 22cans' own PR around The Trail points out that indeed 22cans can focus on more than one thing (except when they're going to play incompetents).
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Post by hardly on Apr 26, 2015 2:03:07 GMT
And according to the "logic" of their moderators routine PR liabilities: "We're sorry we couldn't do everything we said we would, we were on a 'sprint' on the documentary which means that we can't possibly work on anything else at the same time..." Yeah, I have a feeling The Trail will be entirely mobile, as the "design sprint" was 22cans running from the thing as far as possible - it is actually painful to see 22cans or their moderators try to convince themselves otherwise, because nobody is really believing that line when the 22cans' own PR around The Trail points out that indeed 22cans can focus on more than one thing (except when they're going to play incompetents). I'm confident B-Trail will be mobile only. I'm pretty sure Peter knows deep down that he has zero credibility with the PC community now and wont bother trying to sell us anymore of his bullshit.
22Cans need to get B-Trail out before the GODUS money runs out and if I were to guess they are working furiously behind the scenes to get this done in the next 6-12 months.
One of the truly sad facts about GODUS when it is complete is that it will have brought in an enormous amount of money (Peter claims 10s of millions of dollars) but the actual game is terrible. The money first went on a bad PC release which was effectively abandoned in favour of what became a bad mobile release which was then effectively abandoned for the Trail. When you think about it the budget was there for a good game but an incredibly bad business model destroyed any chance of it. What will really be a kick in the balls for the PC community is if the B-Trail does become a success on mobile then Peter will be laughing and all we'll be left with is an unfinished game of GODUS. I don't think it will be a success though because I'm pretty sure Peter is a has been who lusts after other people's ideas and wishes they were his.
Oh and if I were a betting man I think GODUS will be spacebased 3 months after B-Trail's launch. Peter will feel he can move on at that point without the bad press about GODUS diminishing his launch hype.
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Post by mindless on Apr 26, 2015 3:38:05 GMT
After the bodge job that is Godus, do any of you really believe that 22 cans can actually produce 'The Trail' as a fully working game, is it even likely that it will be completed successfully? Because if our collective experience tells us anything, it's that they tend not to learn from their past mistakes. Do you really want a ticket to become their unpaid bug testers for a second time? Secondly we know almost absolutely nothing about this new game, how do any of you even know if its a genre of game that you would even enjoy playing? I'm pretty sure Peter knows deep down that he has zero credibility with the PC community now and wont bother trying to sell us anymore of his bullshit. 22Cans need to get B-Trail out before the GODUS money runs out and if I were to guess they are working furiously behind the scenes to get this done in the next 6-12 months.
I think you see clearly what's going on behind the scenes. This also happens to be my point of view. It suggests that if money becomes tight, that yet more resources would be taken away from Godus developement to help get the trail completed, hastening Godus's potential spacebasing even more. |
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Post by stuhacking on Apr 27, 2015 8:55:57 GMT
I think you're seriously undervaluing that one-of-a-kind, hand-signed T-Shirt mate! |
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Post by stuhacking on Apr 27, 2015 9:07:41 GMT
It suggests that if money becomes tight, that yet more resources would be taken away from Godus developement to help get the trail completed, hastening Godus's potential spacebasing even more. I suspect that nobody wants to work on Godus anymore and the idea of moving to The Trail (or hitting the trail) is a more appealing prospect. Furthermore, I think the only reason Godus is still being actively developed is that they need to provide some sort of minimum viable version of each remaining feature point to indemnify themselves when they finally declare the product 'finished'. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 9:56:01 GMT
After the bodge job that is Godus, do any of you really believe that 22 cans can actually produce 'The Trail' as a fully working game, is it even likely that it will be completed successfully? Because if our collective experience tells us anything, it's that they tend not to learn from their past mistakes. Do you really want a ticket to become their unpaid bug testers for a second time? Secondly we know almost absolutely nothing about this new game, how do any of you even know if its a genre of game that you would even enjoy playing? I'm pretty sure Peter knows deep down that he has zero credibility with the PC community now and wont bother trying to sell us anymore of his bullshit. 22Cans need to get B-Trail out before the GODUS money runs out and if I were to guess they are working furiously behind the scenes to get this done in the next 6-12 months.
I think you see clearly what's going on behind the scenes. This also happens to be my point of view. It suggests that if money becomes tight, that yet more resources would be taken away from Godus developement to help get the trail completed, hastening Godus's potential spacebasing even more. No, i am not sure they can produce "The Trail" as a fully working game, but i am sure they can make "The Trail" a game that makes money. We have seen it with godus. They even made it possible to let us pay the development and as Peter said Godus is making money day by day. And they have learned from Godus development - they will wait until they have something to show before they start hyping it. Without aiming for pc market they only have the mobile market to deliver for.
I have learned enough about Godus, 22cans, Peter and his visions to know that i would not enjoy playing the trail but i am sure there will be enough people who look at the fancy graphics the game will have and will "invest" a few $ "to play" the game.
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