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Post by distraction on May 14, 2015 15:17:40 GMT
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 14, 2015 15:34:51 GMT
Weird article. Did they approach Andrew for those quotes? Did he approach them? The whole 'article' is 182 words, 100 of which are the direct quote. It's like someone overheard him talking in a pub or something and bunged it up online with almost no context.
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Post by distraction on May 14, 2015 15:42:19 GMT
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 14, 2015 15:52:56 GMT
Good finds. It seems that the media has had rustlings of renewed interest in Godus over the last couple of days, although these articles (other than the quotes from Andrew) haven't brought anything new to the table. The media outbreak that happened last time 22Cans fell under scrutiny made me realise how when one site gets hold of a story, it spreads like wildfire as others pick it up. So maybe there'll be more to come?
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Post by arryu on May 14, 2015 16:06:32 GMT
Who was it that got in touch with the media last time? They might want to alert them about some of the recent moderation towards backers and customers on steam(such as mindless and mandrake getting banned for dubious reasons).
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 14, 2015 16:11:47 GMT
I think they'd be more interested in the silent departure of Peter Murphy and Tim Rance from the studio, but the cabin fever on the Steam forums isn't a great reflection on the company either. Having said that, I doubt anyone in the media is going to be interested in picking through the remaining posts on Steam (and what has been double-posted here) to work out exactly what's going on. To an outsider it just looks like a typical flurry of disgruntled squabbling.
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Post by mindless on May 14, 2015 16:20:16 GMT
Who was it that got in touch with the media last time? They might want to alert them about some of the recent moderation towards backers and customers on steam(such as mindless and mandrake getting banned for dubious reasons). Its more than just being banned, it's about being totally erased from history. I had more posts over on the steam forums than I do here and now they have all been wiped away ( obviously to prevent outside researchers from coming in to verify if the bans were legit or not) I really hope someone does pass this along, because it would be an interesting angle for one of the reporters to pick up on. |
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Post by arryu on May 14, 2015 16:21:16 GMT
That's why I think there should be someone who represents the backers and customers, someone who knows all the archived threads and screen capped images proving that 22cans has been abusing their clientele. As much as I think GMR would be an excellent candidate for such a job he has already done over and above what we could ask of him. Mindless has shown himself to be a very collected and knowledgeable community member here. Maybe if he's willing and has some helpers we can set up a solid case to finally get some justice and maybe grab steams attention to shut down this whole debacle.
Other people who might be up to the task are: Tiki, Ba'al himself, or spiderweb.
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Post by mindless on May 14, 2015 16:28:44 GMT
I wouldn't mind talking with a reporter if there were something they wished to know from me. But I don't have any backups of any of my previous posts so I have nothing to refer them back to. Mandrake has proven more shrewd in this matter than I, in his keeping backups of some of the more interesting threads, but I do not know the extent of how many conversations he has archived, or if he would be in a position to share them with us here. But that would doubtless help our cause. I know he has already used it to disprove the lies that mrdrpink (Dave) levelled against me in the "How Not To PR" Thread, so we at least have that much evidence that we could use. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 16:34:56 GMT
Cool, i think most people are aware of this. There is only one problem ... it looks like the creator of a crowdfunding could lie like hell and then change the business decisions like he wants and the comsumer has no chance to do anything against it.
Open, honest and explain the risks. How many people would back a game project if the creator would say: "There is a great risk that we take your money, don't care about what we said and try to make some quick money. And hey in our campaign we say anything that sounds great to get your money."
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Post by hardly on May 14, 2015 19:28:04 GMT
What ridiculous buyer beware rubbish. Investment requires honest disclosure so how about crowd funders provide objective information instead of sales fluff. The community may have treated the 22cans kickstarter like a preorder but I believe 22cans marketed it and hyped it like a preorder. I don't know who Andrew is but how about acknowledging some fault rather than blaming consumers from having high expectations of your ethics and business acumen. What a dick. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on May 14, 2015 20:16:30 GMT
I think they'd be more interested in the silent departure of Peter Murphy and Tim Rance from the studio, but the cabin fever on the Steam forums isn't a great reflection on the company either. Having said that, I doubt anyone in the media is going to be interested in picking through the remaining posts on Steam (and what has been double-posted here) to work out exactly what's going on. To an outsider it just looks like a typical flurry of disgruntled squabbling. This is what I'm thinking. The last media flurry occurred less because of anything to do with our grievances and more to do with the consistent views stories on stumbling Early Access/Kickstarted games get. I think the closest we could get to another story would be to focus less on 22cans and Godus and more on the general misconduct of volunteer moderators on Steam forums. Key words to avoid, mind, being those of censorship (forums are considered private spaces, so aren't bound by free speech protections) and free speech. The focus, instead, being on hammering home another (due to the recent popularity of assessing Valve/Steam's mismanagement) example of how Valve is failing to enforce its own rules and how it's helping preserve (another fun, semi-popular topic lately) bad community culture with some games as a result of that.* Cases in point probably being a multitude of Early Access/Greenlight titles, but I'd have to look into which of those have been especially bad to know what to reference. *To be clear: I'm not suggesting we're in the wrong here, only that with poor regulation (see: Twitter/4chan), online communities tend to naturally devolve into harsh cesspits of harassment and infighting. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 22:23:49 GMT
Andrew...the producer who - according to the reason for Daily Dev Updates ceasing - has no clue of what his own development team is doing on a daily basis?
As for bad Early Access titles, check out the group I'm part of on Steam called "Dissenter's Anonymous". Originally formed from Shelfbound's (Starbound) development instead turning Chucklefish into a publishing house, Chucklefish have been doing everything they can do avoid actually working on the features they pitched and instead fiddle with adding more fluff while core game systems haven't been seen yet (the alternate paths for what is turning into a linear platformer away from its original sandbox pitch). This cheesed off a lot of people. Starting from there, both good and bad Early Access games/developers have been examined and watched, with handy - often firsthand - info for media outlets.
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Post by 13thGeneral on May 15, 2015 2:41:13 GMT
How do you archive the Steam Discussions?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 3:48:45 GMT
How do you archive the Steam Discussions? Usually an image snapshot and page save. Some items at certain points are archived on archive.org, Google cache, or other resources. |
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