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Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 9, 2014 16:11:55 GMT Lord Ba'al likes this

Post by splitterwind on May 9, 2014 16:11:55 GMT

I made a chart in which I compare the popularity and patch releases of Godus with that of other early access / indie games.

I used Steam charts as source ( steamcharts.com/ ).

It also contains the (user-based) metacritic rating and number of ratings.

On top of that I calculated how many players were active in the last 24 hours compared to the all-time-peak. (check out godus percentage!)

Its not updated for Patch 2.05 yet. I will wait a few days so we can see which effect 2.05 had on popularity. (so far there isn't any noticeably raise, most likely because 2.05 wasn't announced ahead of time)

EDIT: I updated the chart. I listed 2.05 and i added the DLC updates of don't starve highlighted in orange.

In case this board requires you to log in to view attachments, you can also view the chart here:

i.imgur.com/NgFAthp.jpg

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22cans is selling antidotes to their own poison (slow progression, repetitive game mechanics, progression-walls) to idiots. At the same time they pretend that we WANTED that antidote and it was solely based on our feedback (instead of understanding that we don't want poisoned software in the first place).
The PC sprints will probably be nothing more than a collection of antidotes that can be sold at good prices to mobile gamers. At least we get small doses of antidotes for free. WOHOO

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	Last Edit: May 9, 2014 16:37:45 GMT by Lord Ba'al This town cannot accommodate the numerical totality of our combined mass.

Monkeythumbz Former 22Cans staff Posts: 622	Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 9, 2014 16:44:09 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Monkeythumbz on May 9, 2014 16:44:09 GMT I've shared this internally, just FYI.

jpw Master Posts: 159 Pledge level: Patron+Acorn+Poster I like: Populus What I thought Godus was going to be... I don't like: Waiting Collecting belief Stickers Sculpting Voyages Managing settlements Not being a god in a god game Chests	Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 10, 2014 14:27:36 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jpw on May 10, 2014 14:27:36 GMT May 9, 2014 16:44:09 GMT Monkeythumbz said: I've shared this internally, just FYI. Interesting. Fancy sharing the response from the team?

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Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 10, 2014 14:34:19 GMT

Post by World Stroking Simulator 2014™ on May 10, 2014 14:34:19 GMT

Gob how I love Prison Architect. I actually bought it because of the update videos rather than the gameplay. They are quality.

(Game is fun too, in a weird but lovable way)

Don't Starve is fabulous, and Kerbal Space Program deserves love.

Sorry for derail..

Analytics people have looked at Godus and have said it’s insane to do monetisation this way. We’ve replaced tapping with stroking and it’s delicious. Godus is all about touching your world, stroking your world. We looked at the porn industry for inspiration. Genitalia everywhere. All pink wobbly bits. We are going to be so damn rich.

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Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 11, 2014 15:57:04 GMT

Post by rubgish on May 11, 2014 15:57:04 GMT

I had pointed this out on the steam forums, but I feel it is worth mentioning here too. The chart is actually wrong by a factor of 10 on the godus players, it's sitting at about 3%, not 0.3%. It's still very poor compared to the other games, but it's not quite as abysmal as it is made out to be.

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Collecting belief
Stickers
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Not being a god in a god game
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Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 11, 2014 16:14:19 GMT

Post by jpw on May 11, 2014 16:14:19 GMT

May 11, 2014 15:57:04 GMT rubgish said:

I had pointed this out on the steam forums, but I feel it is worth mentioning here too. The chart is actually wrong by a factor of 10 on the godus players, it's sitting at about 3%, not 0.3%. It's still very poor compared to the other games, but it's not quite as abysmal as it is made out to be.

You need to be careful. That is your second defensive/positive comment about Godus on this forum.

Who are you? And what have you done with the real rubgish?

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Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 11, 2014 16:55:31 GMT

Post by rubgish on May 11, 2014 16:55:31 GMT

May 11, 2014 16:14:19 GMT jpw said:

May 11, 2014 15:57:04 GMT rubgish said:

I had pointed this out on the steam forums, but I feel it is worth mentioning here too. The chart is actually wrong by a factor of 10 on the godus players, it's sitting at about 3%, not 0.3%. It's still very poor compared to the other games, but it's not quite as abysmal as it is made out to be.

You need to be careful. That is your second defensive/positive comment about Godus on this forum.

Who are you? And what have you done with the real rubgish?

My post wrt stickers wasn't intended to be positive, it's just that *technically* peter was correct when he said 5 stickers or less; it certainly doesn't mean I like the stickers mechanic (we can all think of a dozen ways to do it better). Similarly with this one, the first set of data was not technically correct, but that doesn't mean I disagree with the point it is making. Even with the change up to 3% it's still almost another factor of 10 away from being on a par with these other games.

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Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 12, 2014 13:59:06 GMT

Post by Monkeythumbz on May 12, 2014 13:59:06 GMT

May 10, 2014 14:27:36 GMT jpw said:

May 9, 2014 16:44:09 GMT Monkeythumbz said:

I've shared this internally, just FYI.

Interesting. Fancy sharing the response from the team?

None yet, it's for a comp analysis meeting scheduled for later this week/early next week.

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Not being a god in a god game
Chests

Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 12, 2014 19:07:58 GMT Lord Ba'al likes this

Post by jpw on May 12, 2014 19:07:58 GMT

Great to see you replying to our threads!

Do you think you could get the team to seriously address the concerns about this being a mobile game for the PC, rather than a PC game for the mobile. Have a look at the thread of Kickstarter key quotes, and you will see just how clear they were back in November 2012 about the fact this would be a quality PC game.

I know one user recommended you made public your Godus steam play time, I don't think that is the most helpful thing to do given you are joining the journey here, and so can't really put in the hours some of the backers have: 250+ and what a waste of time that would be! What might be worth while is watching some [emphasise some] of the first Kickstarter videos in the order the were released, then you can see why so many of us could be accused of being bitter, you would see what we saw, and experience Peter promising us the world to get our [financial] support. Perhaps you have already done this?

[NB I defended you and 22cans in a post asking why there has been no reply recently:
I pointed out that it was the w/e. They now think I'm a mole... don't tell anyone, I'll have to be more negative, or go underground...]

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Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 12, 2014 19:18:55 GMT

Post by Lord Ba'al on May 12, 2014 19:18:55 GMT

May 12, 2014 19:07:58 GMT jpw said:

Great to see you replying to our threads!

Indeed. (whoops, channeling wrong Stargate character)

May 12, 2014 19:07:58 GMT jpw said:

[NB I defended you and 22cans in a post asking why there has been no reply recently:
I pointed out that it was the w/e. They now think I'm a mole... don't tell anyone, I'll have to be more negative, or go underground...]

Lol. Get out of my yard you dang mole!

Last Edit: May 12, 2014 19:20:16 GMT by Lord Ba'al

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Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 13, 2014 19:24:27 GMT

Post by splitterwind on May 13, 2014 19:24:27 GMT

I had pointed this out on the steam forums, but I feel it is worth mentioning here too. The chart is actually wrong by a factor of 10 on the godus players, it's sitting at about 3%, not 0.3%. It's still very poor compared to the other games, but it's not quite as abysmal as it is made out to be.

You are right. I updated the chart, I also listed 2.05 and added the DLC release/updates of don't starve.

I also added a beautiful quote of peter molyneux on the bottom of the chart.

By the way, since the first chart the metacritic rating went down from 1.3 to an even 1.0

By the way, prison architect reached a new all-time-peak after the latest patch (alpha 20) of 9.900 players. Higher than Godus all-time-peak now. However I hadn't updated Prison Architect in my chart - because of the new maximum number the graph changed drastically so updating it would be to much effort for me atm.

Also I counted the number of posters and posts created in the last 24 hours on the steam board. I quote my Post from the steam Board:

I counted the number of unique posters and their posts in the last 24 hours based on all sub-forums.

143,295 characters in 28,495 words written by 73 unique posters in the last 24 hours. (all sub-forums)

Sounds a lot. However, the average Reading speed is 240 words per minute, the average characters per minute are 5 times the words per minute.

That means that it would take about 1 hour and 54 minutes for a single person to read every single post written in the last 24 hours based on average reading speed. (or 1 hour 58 minutes depending on if you calculate with words or characters per minute, I went with characters per minute)

(experienced readers would manage 400 words per minute, less than 1% of people manage >1000 words per minute, a experienced reader would need 40 minutes)

Equally portioned between 3 people that would equal 40 minutes per day. (Or just 13 minutes if all 3 are experienced readers)

Also, it already equals 24 unique posters per 22cans employee.

I don't know how many unique people on average post on a blizzard forum (including all sub-forums!) per 24 hours, but I think if blizzard would hire 1 community manager per 24 active people it would be far beyond 8. Seems pretty ineffective to me.

Just a note, only about 300 - 450 people play Godus per day on average. Thats a pretty small number, even for early access. But with 73 unique posters its a relatively high percentage of people being active on this board.

Now, if you ignore sarcasm and ignore lengthy discussions about off-topic it would be even less.

If you only focus on gameplay-feedback or suggestions it would be way less.

If they would add 3 game council members it would be 12 persons per reader and 19 minutes per person if equally portioned. (and assuming that none of them would be an experienced reader)

Now if you take into account that other indie developers have no community manager at all and a team of less than 15 people with a active community 10 times the size and they manage to write blog posts, moderate and be active on their own forum and reddit its just sad. 22cans developers don't even manage to tell their community managers answers to frequently asked questions that they can post on this board.

Its really amazing - so much dedication to communication for a very small active community without actual communication taking place.

I'm absolutely certain, the problem isn't that 22cans can't summarize the feedback, the problem is that the devs don't care.

I can't see how a game council could ever change that.

Also, I used that data to create wordclouds just for fun:

i.imgur.com/bMnfIb3.png

You can view the word-clouds here if you aren't logged in:

i.imgur.com/bMnfIb3.png

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22cans is selling antidotes to their own poison (slow progression, repetitive game mechanics, progression-walls) to idiots. At the same time they pretend that we WANTED that antidote and it was solely based on our feedback (instead of understanding that we don't want poisoned software in the first place).
The PC sprints will probably be nothing more than a collection of antidotes that can be sold at good prices to mobile gamers. At least we get small doses of antidotes for free. WOHOO

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Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 13, 2014 23:28:00 GMT

Post by splitterwind on May 13, 2014 23:28:00 GMT

I wonder what mrdrpink's wordcloud looks like.

Added it together with muirs cloud.

I wonder what this forum's wordcloud looks like! :)

Maybe next.

First I want to do a cloud of AMA/answers on reddit and the kickstarter / early access pages. :)

Some words I found interesting (or rather telling) in each cloud:

Thread-titles:

Kickstarter, crashes, tutorial, bug, wheat, bubble

George:

deliver, delivering, want, time, rules, changes, comming, soon, council

matthew:

time, around, workaround, positive, mentioned, trying, work, working...

Oh, and how big feedback and especially community are compared to the rest. He surely loves to emphasize how important our feedback and the community is...

community posts:

stickers, mobile, pc, ressource, ressources, feedback, progression, change, belief, settlements, strategy

mrDrPink:

eta, free, questions, answers, hopefully, yet, working

muir:

time, devs, bug, please, constructive, team...

I think its quite telling. It shows what the community talks about and what the CMs talk about and its quite different.

Matthew was once upset when I said that most of his posts were just marketing spin, but I think these clouds support that statement. Multiple bold/big words in the community and thread clouds don't appear at all in the matthew/george cloud. Community and Feedback however are the biggest words.

I only used his recent posts, his older posts were even worst in that regard imo.

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22cans is selling antidotes to their own poison (slow progression, repetitive game mechanics, progression-walls) to idiots. At the same time they pretend that we WANTED that antidote and it was solely based on our feedback (instead of understanding that we don't want poisoned software in the first place).
The PC sprints will probably be nothing more than a collection of antidotes that can be sold at good prices to mobile gamers. At least we get small doses of antidotes for free. WOHOO

julians Master Posts: 128	Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 14, 2014 5:12:13 GMT Lord Ba'al likes this Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by julians on May 14, 2014 5:12:13 GMT Now if we could get the app what-would-i-say.com/ to process those posts we would have the next update before 22Cans has it.

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Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 14, 2014 15:19:30 GMT

Post by splitterwind on May 14, 2014 15:19:30 GMT

May 13, 2014 21:53:41 GMT Lord Ba'al said:

I wonder what this forum's wordcloud looks like! :)

There it is, based on the recent posts - 50 pages with 20 posts each page:

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22cans is selling antidotes to their own poison (slow progression, repetitive game mechanics, progression-walls) to idiots. At the same time they pretend that we WANTED that antidote and it was solely based on our feedback (instead of understanding that we don't want poisoned software in the first place).
The PC sprints will probably be nothing more than a collection of antidotes that can be sold at good prices to mobile gamers. At least we get small doses of antidotes for free. WOHOO

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Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 14, 2014 16:04:10 GMT

Post by splitterwind on May 14, 2014 16:04:10 GMT

They were too big while at the same not being very interesting (in my opinion) as they are probably just so big because they are often used to begin a sentence etc.

I also make use of the "automatically remove common english words" function from the site.

I uploaded the same cloud without removing any words:

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22cans is selling antidotes to their own poison (slow progression, repetitive game mechanics, progression-walls) to idiots. At the same time they pretend that we WANTED that antidote and it was solely based on our feedback (instead of understanding that we don't want poisoned software in the first place).
The PC sprints will probably be nothing more than a collection of antidotes that can be sold at good prices to mobile gamers. At least we get small doses of antidotes for free. WOHOO

jpw Master Posts: 159 Pledge level: Patron+Acorn+Poster I like: Populus What I thought Godus was going to be... I don't like: Waiting Collecting belief Stickers Sculpting Voyages Managing settlements Not being a god in a god game Chests	Chart comparing popularity+patches of Godus with other games May 14, 2014 17:30:54 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jpw on May 14, 2014 17:30:54 GMT Notice you can make "in that game" "and you is a" from that last cloud.