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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 17:59:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 18:28:03 GMT
To reiterate:
22Cans is now trying to push the narrative that Molyenux had no plan and Simon has a plan and that's the reason things are what they are and that's why they're going to change. I'm sorry, no, but that's revisionist history. Molyneux knew what he was doing when he promised there would be no publisher and then revealed his backroom deal with DeNA and how they were giving him more funding than the Kickstarter backers to create Godus as a mobile-centric game. Molyneux knew what he was doing when he made all those emphatic comments about how fun and profitable his "invest-to-play"/freemium ideas were. Molyneux knew what he was doing when he made that speech about how Godus had finished development and was making money hand-over-fist and how he had a small team doing maintenance and content packs to keep the revenue flowing.
I'm confused on how it's not "commercially viable" to put a real development team on Godus, but it's perfectly viable to put multiple development teams to work on The Trial while slipping hints that the single-digit volunteer/intern/amateur "team" working on Godus can't "work on it forever".
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Post by mindless on Jul 29, 2015 18:36:12 GMT
They had tended their resignations around the time that PM would have informed them that Godus was complete, and was now just in support & maintenance mode. Those with integrity obviously decided they wanted no part in a company that would treat its customers with such disdain. Not really surprised he didn't offer his opinion why they were choosing to leave before the shit storm (surprised why the reporter didn't question this), but just thinking about the time scales I think its safe to assume this to be the actual reason. He had a chance for a little honesty here, and missed it.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 29, 2015 18:50:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 18:52:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 18:54:15 GMT
I'm aware, that's the articles section. This thread is for the discussion of the article.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 18:59:41 GMT
(Moved this to the discussions area.)
Lovely sentiment, but from how they've been acting they're simply doubling-down on their mistakes and questionable community management - which makes the later part of the article a real chuckle.
Why don't we just put over 9000 people on it?! Or would the hyperbole be too obvious then?
First off, they have yet to give a straight answer as to what "to get this product to where we all want it to be" really means other than stalling around.
Also, without Combat really fitting into the main game that second paragraph is hilarious.
Right-o! Time to get on it, right? First, let's start off by adding more censorship to the Steam forums, they really like that with how many replies we get whenever that happens, so let's turn up the contempt towards anyone who bought/backed the game under 22cans' false pretenses - that'll put them in the right frame of mind to be receptive of The Trail!
Whitewash, all of it, as nothing has gotten done about anything except make Peter feel better about how he's screwed people over.
Especially those Kickstarter folks who are still waiting for months for any word outside of the making of the art book "update" - speaking of which, it's almost to the two year anniversary of when the backer rewards were estimated to be delivered. I wonder if 22cans will have remembered them by then, or continue to ignore the real problems and feedback offered to 22cans while really just making Peter feel better about the whole thing.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 29, 2015 19:02:44 GMT
I'm aware, that's the articles section. This thread is for the discussion of the article. It's possible to comment on the article thread, but if you want to do it here that's fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:05:47 GMT
I'm aware, that's the articles section. This thread is for the discussion of the article. It's possible to comment on the article thread, but if you want to do it here that's fine. I just thought that it'd be cleaner to have that as an archive section. All the Godus discussion in one place, all the articles, transcripts, etc. in another.
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Post by mindless on Jul 29, 2015 19:12:01 GMT
I'm with petermolyneux on this, lets not push the conversation over into a sub forum, that feels ( by accident) a little to similar to 22 cans obfuscation techniques, lets not copy any of that madness here.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 29, 2015 19:12:40 GMT
It's fine. I just don't want people to get the idea that they're not supposed to post on the article threads.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 29, 2015 19:15:53 GMT
I'm with petermolyneux on this, lets not push the conversation over into a sub forum, that feels ( by accident) a little to similar to 22 cans obfuscation techniques, lets not copy any of that madness here. Have you considered that before too long this thread here will be buried somewhere in the back end of the forum or in the archive whereas in the articles section it will always remain in the exact same spot?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:18:04 GMT
Indeed, 22cans under PM WAS business-minded - abusive shovelware business. Without any expressed plans to change that in now two articles...looks like Peter's just found a new crony to feel better about himself and nothing really has or will change.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:20:20 GMT
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Post by mindless on Jul 29, 2015 19:23:16 GMT
Have you considered that before too long this thread here will be buried somewhere in the back end of the forum or in the archive whereas in the articles section it will always remain in the exact same spot? I've added a link back in the article thread so that in the future anyone can find their way back here
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:27:24 GMT
Oh, and one obvious lie:
Back to that hyperbole... "for every thousand people posting something on the official forum"
They only have 1187 members on their forum.
Reading through the official forum, they have hardly anywhere of a proportion that suggests anywhere close to "99 per cent" is like that. (However, comments on whitewash articles like these calling out their bullshit lies tend to be like that...funny, no? Think that they would have learned by now...)
Nice way of marginalising and insulting your community with lies again, 22cans.
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Post by Deth on Jul 29, 2015 19:31:10 GMT
Maybe he thinks this is the official forum? LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:33:53 GMT
Oh, and one obvious lie: Back to that hyperbole... "for every thousand people posting something on the official forum" They only have 1187 members on their forum. Reading through the official forum, they have hardly anywhere of a proportion that suggests anywhere close to "99 per cent" is like that. (However, comments on whitewash articles like these calling out their bullshit lies tend to be like that...funny, no? Think that they would have learned by now...) Nice way of marginalising and insulting your community with lies again, 22cans.I wonder if he bothered to mention that the only feedback 22Cans has taken thus far have been sockpuppet upvotes that show "the community has been mostly positive", which contradicts Simon's claim here that "99%" of the community feedback is negative.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 20:04:08 GMT
Maybe he thinks this is the official forum? LOL That confusion would be quite understandable with how everything 22cans' moderators have enfarced has turned into a wasteland, so that this would be the more lively place by comparison. With actual feedback and discussion about the game (see: when FuriousMoo was posting). Speaking of moderators, remember the last time the press acquired info that 22cans was lying out their collective backsides to the backers, to which one of 22cans' moderators tried to blame the community for that happening? I wonder if he bothered to mention that the only feedback 22Cans has taken thus far have been sockpuppet upvotes that show "the community has been mostly positive", which contradicts Simon's claim here that "99%" of the community feedback is negative. Which is kind of funny when Colin trots out some numerical values about how feedback was actually...positive? So... simon22cans colin22cans ...which is it going to be? Grasping for "feedback is positive" or some happy horseshit about how everyone is slagging you off and not throwing you repeated bones about how 22cans could improve - as they have been on this forum?
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Post by totallytim on Jul 29, 2015 20:10:45 GMT
So interacting with backers is not part of his job or is something he does on the side. No wonder communication's shit.
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