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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 29, 2015 20:17:09 GMT
So interacting with backers is not part of his job or is something he does on the side. No wonder communication's shit. Well, he is PR for a change, not CR so at least he's not being forced into conflicting roles as our former CMs were (may they forget the worst of their work experience there sooner rather than later or somesuch positivity). If nothing else, at least that's a little more honest than before where it may as well have been a bait and switch, "Hey we need a CM," "Okay!" "Oh, we actually meant PR, but since you already got the job, you can do that, yeah?" "Um... Fuck, what have I done." |
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Post by totallytim on Jul 29, 2015 20:20:05 GMT
Isn't Dave the CM? What happened to him? Just curious.
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 29, 2015 20:22:20 GMT
Isn't Dave the CM? What happened to him? Just curious. Paging mrdrpink/ colin22cans/ simon22cans. Some of us have asked about this before, but to my knowledge, I don't think any of us have received a response. He's been out of the picture for around a month or so now, I believe, which could mean any number of things. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 20:31:04 GMT
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Post by mindless on Jul 29, 2015 20:31:14 GMT
I think Dave is probably being dealt with in the same way that the Konrad situation was handled. It seams that any 22 cans staffers that causes an issue within the community are taken away from the public sphere. Possibly as an exercise to limit further damage
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 20:33:56 GMT
I think Dave is probably being dealt with in the same way that the Konrad situation was handled. It seams that any 22 cans staffers that causes an issue within the community are taken away from the public sphere. Possibly as an exercise to limit further damage Yeah, his attempt to run "it won't hurt us" damage control and censorship on the video showing the CEO of 22Cans saying that Godus waqs finished and a maintenance team was just working on mobile content packs, not to mention the whole attempt to ban most of the active Steam users for "bullying probably burned that bridge. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 20:58:02 GMT
I think Dave is probably being dealt with in the same way that the Konrad situation was handled. It seams that any 22 cans staffers that causes an issue within the community are taken away from the public sphere. Possibly as an exercise to limit further damage Yeah, his attempt to run "it won't hurt us" damage control and censorship on the video showing the CEO of 22Cans saying that Godus waqs finished and a maintenance team was just working on mobile content packs, not to mention the whole attempt to ban most of the active Steam users for "bullying probably burned that bridge. Judging from the responses on the two main interviews Simon has given, along with comments on other publications of the same, nobody's really falling for his claims. So on that note, when are Simon and Colin going to be swapped out, and for whom? Who will be the next PR goat to have to try and live with the dichotomy of 22cans' internal and public narratives at odds with each other, running when they figure out what kind of a job they're expected to do (lie to defrauded customers) or sacrificed when 22cans is done with them? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 21:17:14 GMT
Yeah, his attempt to run "it won't hurt us" damage control and censorship on the video showing the CEO of 22Cans saying that Godus waqs finished and a maintenance team was just working on mobile content packs, not to mention the whole attempt to ban most of the active Steam users for "bullying probably burned that bridge. Judging from the responses on the two main interviews Simon has given, along with comments on other publications of the same, nobody's really falling for his claims. So on that note, when are Simon and Colin going to be swapped out, and for whom? Who will be the next PR goat to have to try and live with the dichotomy of 22cans' internal and public narratives at odds with each other, running when they figure out what kind of a job they're expected to do (lie to defrauded customers) or sacrificed when 22cans is done with them? Judging from the departure of Peter Murphy, Tim Rance, and company, I'm willing to guess that 22Cans' investors are now determined to pull in as much dividend money as they can from Godus and The Trial before the whole thing finally collapses and goes insolvent like Simon's last two companies. We may be seeing him and Colin stick around for a while longer, the former more so than the latter, maybe until the cheery end comes out of nowhere in a random announcement. You know something's strange when a company delays revealing their financials while their financial director and CTO abandon ship. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 29, 2015 21:24:30 GMT
Judging from the responses on the two main interviews Simon has given, along with comments on other publications of the same, nobody's really falling for his claims. So on that note, when are Simon and Colin going to be swapped out, and for whom? Who will be the next PR goat to have to try and live with the dichotomy of 22cans' internal and public narratives at odds with each other, running when they figure out what kind of a job they're expected to do (lie to defrauded customers) or sacrificed when 22cans is done with them? You know something's strange when a company delays revealing their financials while their financial director and CTO abandon ship. Er...Wouldn't this make sense, if their leave led to disarray (or a continuation of disarray) making it difficult to reveal anything of them? That would make a little more sense, especially where a financial director's leave is concerned, than that it's for some malicious purpose. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 21:38:27 GMT
You know something's strange when a company delays revealing their financials while their financial director and CTO abandon ship. Er...Wouldn't this make sense, if their leave led to disarray (or a continuation of disarray) making it difficult to reveal anything of them? That would make a little more sense, especially where a financial director's leave is concerned, than that it's for some malicious purpose. Usually when records are kept and a financial director leaves, those records are left behind, and if the executive in question is competent, he'll clear up the specifics as to what has been done so far prior to departing for good. Given that a financial director's job extends far beyond publishing said records and the fact that making sure that they meet the government's standards/requirements is fairly straightforward, it's hard to believe that someone would have much trouble assembling them quickly, even without much financial experience, unless their business operations extend to a size and scope that 22Cans clearly doesn't. If they are having so much trouble doing so, I could direct them to resources where they can get up to speed on just how *relatively* simple it is. Edit: I'm quite serious, you can look up the government's requirements yourself and see how reasonable they are. |
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Post by Qetesh on Jul 29, 2015 22:05:58 GMT
*puts on Mod hat* Let us not taunt the Devs on this forum. They are here as posters, if they want to post they will post. While we are all about free speech here, we do have rules. We do not want posters of Dev, non Dev or any kind provoking each other. *puts hat away* As a poster, I will say, this is not a constructive discussion imo so I would not be surprised if they don't show up for their daily flogging. I say this, and you know how I feel about much of this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 22:09:33 GMT
*puts on Mod hat* Let us not taunt the Devs on this forum. They are here as posters, if they want to post they will post. While we are all about free speech here, we do have rules. We do not want posters of Dev, non Dev or any kind provoking each other. *puts hat away* As a poster, I will say, this is not a constructive discussion imo so I would not be surprised if they don't show up for their daily flogging. I say this, and you know how I feel about much of this. Of course, it's just that I'm hoping he'll show up to explain the butchering of the Steam forums rather than lurking around. Making this thread "constructive" requires them to meet us halfway. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 29, 2015 22:12:32 GMT
Er...Wouldn't this make sense, if their leave led to disarray (or a continuation of disarray) making it difficult to reveal anything of them? That would make a little more sense, especially where a financial director's leave is concerned, than that it's for some malicious purpose. Usually when records are kept and a financial director leaves, those records are left behind, and if the executive in question is competent, he'll clear up the specifics as to what has been done so far prior to departing for good. Given that a financial director's job extends far beyond publishing said records and the fact that making sure that they meet the government's standards/requirements is fairly straightforward, it's hard to believe that someone would have much trouble assembling them quickly, even without much financial experience, unless their business operations extend to a size and scope that 22Cans clearly doesn't. If they are having so much trouble doing so, I could direct them to resources where they can get up to speed on just how *relatively* simple it is. Edit: I'm quite serious, you can look up the government's requirements yourself and see how reasonable they are. ...We are talking about a company formerly run by a man that simply had to make a decent god game, supposedly with the experience and know-how to back this enterprise, and that subsequently turned the whole thing into a trainwreck, so frankly when it comes to the simplest matters being screwed up or overlooked, I'm not in the least bit surprised by this. |
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Post by Qetesh on Jul 29, 2015 22:14:31 GMT
*puts on Mod hat* Let us not taunt the Devs on this forum. They are here as posters, if they want to post they will post. While we are all about free speech here, we do have rules. We do not want posters of Dev, non Dev or any kind provoking each other. *puts hat away* As a poster, I will say, this is not a constructive discussion imo so I would not be surprised if they don't show up for their daily flogging. I say this, and you know how I feel about much of this. Of course, it's just that I'm hoping he'll show up to explain the butchering of the Steam forums rather than lurking around. Nonetheless, it is against rules. He is an equal here and all members need to respected as such. It is also OT, please feel free to discuss issues with Steam moderation in one of the threads we have for this. This thread is for the latest interview. This goes for everyone, let's reign this convo back into OT please. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 22:20:10 GMT
Usually when records are kept and a financial director leaves, those records are left behind, and if the executive in question is competent, he'll clear up the specifics as to what has been done so far prior to departing for good. Given that a financial director's job extends far beyond publishing said records and the fact that making sure that they meet the government's standards/requirements is fairly straightforward, it's hard to believe that someone would have much trouble assembling them quickly, even without much financial experience, unless their business operations extend to a size and scope that 22Cans clearly doesn't. If they are having so much trouble doing so, I could direct them to resources where they can get up to speed on just how *relatively* simple it is. Edit: I'm quite serious, you can look up the government's requirements yourself and see how reasonable they are. ...We are talking about a company formerly run by a man that simply had to make a decent god game, supposedly with the experience and know-how to back this enterprise, and that subsequently turned the whole thing into a trainwreck, so frankly when it comes to the simplest matters being screwed up or overlooked, I'm not in the least bit surprised by this. Yeah, I wonder if they actually have anyone taking care of this or simply reassign someone to do it when the deadline approaches. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 22:21:03 GMT
...We are talking about a company formerly run by a man that simply had to make a decent god game, supposedly with the experience and know-how to back this enterprise, and that subsequently turned the whole thing into a trainwreck, so frankly when it comes to the simplest matters being screwed up or overlooked, I'm not in the least bit surprised by this. Then 22cans appears to aim for causing negativity on a regular basis since they keep doing the same exact things that made their backers/customers irate in the past. It's like they know what the reaction will be if they continue to fuck up, while breaking status quo seems to involve effort none in management of the company care to go for. Then they top it with insulting hyperbole like that "50 developers" rubbish when everyone is quite aware of the claim of 22 before, while 6 seem to be going sluggishly upon whatever narrow corner the management has them almost stalled in. That in itself is going to take a toll on them over time, just like with Fabs. I think the main reason why they look for new folks is that experienced people have undoubtedly worked at better, and the experienced who used to be at 22cans are now doing so - if they're still in the industry anymore. |
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Post by Crumpy Six on Jul 29, 2015 22:28:24 GMT
Nothing new in this article and nothing we haven't heard before. Here's the tl;dr version: - "We know it was bad before but now we're back on track and Godus is going to be awesome."
- "We're listening to the community's views and we know there's a long way to go."
- "We're working on combat."
Also something about Phillip's role involving responsibility for bogroll procurement.
I'm always happy to see this kind of interview being published but it's beginning to take a depressingly Molyneux turn, what with the assurances of groundbreaking innovation, genius ideas (one of which was apparently the "God of Gods" feature so I dread to think what else might be in the pipeline) and the guaranteed greatness of Godus.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 22:33:35 GMT
Nothing new in this article and nothing we haven't heard before. Here's the tl;dr version: - "We know it was bad before but now we're back on track and Godus is going to be awesome."
- "We're listening to the community's views and we know there's a long way to go."
- "We're working on combat."
Also something about Phillip's role involving responsibility for bogroll procurement.
I'm always happy to see this kind of interview being published but it's beginning to take a depressingly Molyneux turn, what with the assurances of groundbreaking innovation, genius ideas (one of which was apparently the "God of Gods" feature so I dread to think what else might be in the pipeline) and the guaranteed greatness of Godus.
The bizarre thing that this article brings to the table is Simon's cheery description of how the God of Gods role "requires multiplayer [which] requires combat, which...in itself requires hub world stuff." when in the last interview he said that multiplayer would "take years to develop" and Konrad out-and-out said that Hubworld isn't really viable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 22:41:36 GMT
As a poster, I will say, this is not a constructive discussion imo so I would not be surprised if they don't show up for their daily flogging. I say this, and you know how I feel about much of this. I honestly couldn't blame Colin, and actually sympathise with him a bit as one of the in-company victims to 22cans' mismanagement: - Finance guy expected to bow to Peter's whims, along with probably Tim Rance in the same position.
- Dev team so undermanned that development moves at a crawl, but we're supposed to expect good things from them...which was said from Peter during "The Shit" and 22cans couldn't be arsed to do anything about as it's about 6 months later from the LAST time we were told the same things. The same dev team that had Fabs asking to go back onto it for his own development integrity.
- CM/PR guy expected to print company lies until his self-respect cracks.
The list just keeps getting bigger. But at least *Peter* feels better about the whole thing, which is I guess the point we're supposed to take from this whole article. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 29, 2015 22:43:12 GMT
...We are talking about a company formerly run by a man that simply had to make a decent god game, supposedly with the experience and know-how to back this enterprise, and that subsequently turned the whole thing into a trainwreck, so frankly when it comes to the simplest matters being screwed up or overlooked, I'm not in the least bit surprised by this. Then 22cans appears to aim for causing negativity on a regular basis since they keep doing the same exact things that made their backers/customers irate in the past. It's like they know what the reaction will be if they continue to fuck up, while breaking status quo seems to involve effort none in management of the company care to go for. Then they top it with insulting hyperbole like that "50 developers" rubbish when everyone is quite aware of the claim of 22 before, while 6 seem to be going sluggishly upon whatever narrow corner the management has them almost stalled in. That in itself is going to take a toll on them over time, just like with Fabs. I think the main reason why they look for new folks is that experienced people have undoubtedly worked at better, and the experienced who used to be at 22cans are now doing so - if they're still in the industry anymore. As to your last point, well of course. Anyone with any experience at this point and familiarity with what's been going down there knows better than to get involved. That's why I tried asking Simon and Colin what in the world drew them to 22cans, which went without a response, except for articles like this that barely explain why Simon dove into the whole thing beyond respect for Molyneux. ...Regarding your first point, I don't think there's any aim or intentionality there. I think it's all wrapped up in the bad rep they can't step out of, which makes every move that isn't a refund or miraculous game salvaging look like a continuation of misbehavior. Not that some of it isn't in fact misbehavior (such as your example), but that it's negative connotations are amplified by the circumstances they find themselves in. Imagine for a moment that a better project's head were to say what he was saying and you'd maybe agree a little more. It's only because of the relation to the situation we're looking at that we look at it especially critically, which isn't unreasonable, but thinking it's because they want to be some Dev Troll of the Year or something is pretty unreasonable. |
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