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Post by Mandrake on Nov 23, 2015 8:38:15 GMT
I know we haven't had the best of relationships, and unless you've completely dismissed me as a troll like your delusional moderators and Dave have in the past then you've probably been wondering why I have done all of this. It is because of the people you're fucking over. No, not the Kickstarter folks, you've known you screwed them over right and well from the start as you've planned for a measly handful of quid. Kickstarter has been the vehicle used to abuse so many willing to fund good ideas that it has become nearly meaningless save for some exceptions. Again, not Kicksterer, and congratulations on being one of those to help kill that spirit - this pertains to your abuse of the Early Access program, particularly your farce of ever having participated in it while taking money for an unfinished product as you think is the extent of your responsibilities in said program. Take a look at developers using Early Access correctly. This is why your own customers bust your chops and shame you upon your sole distribution point for Godus on PC. A few other examples may be provided since not everyone has intent on making Early Access look like scumbag central. So do you want to look less shit? The solution is very easy: Try resembling those who are doing it right, who you are fucking over by doing it so grotesquely wrong to make prospective customers just outright flee from both crowdfunding and the Early Access program by the mere label you are associated with and shitting all over. Oh, on that note, something for you to think about as you enter the 22cons Cower on a bright Monday morning - take a look at that group. We're onto you, along with every other scammer abusing the Early Access program, and if we don't have a listing for one scumbag it is simply a matter of time before we have a listing of their abuses towards Steam customers. We are not the only group doing this. We also have the ear of developers who want to do things right. With that in mind - if you continue to be shit you simply increase our power base, as you have been doing since you've bailed from Godus to divert development resources towards your next gold brick. As always - up to you to look less like shit. |
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Post by Mandrake on Nov 26, 2015 23:26:03 GMT
It's about that time again, folks! The time of the year when Steam has its big holiday promotions and sales, so first they have their legal department go through all of the scumware reports to see which might be a liability. With the advent of Steam Refunds...it would seem like they would be taking extra-special care to make sure they don't have to process too many after a sale. Look at what isn't being sold anymore: steamcommunity.com/groups/dissenters-anonymous/discussions/1/492378265883022207/The Dead Linger is no longer for sale on Steam. Sandswept thought that they could still sell it under discounted price while going onto something else. VALVe said no. Developers that were nowhere as assholish as 22cans have been, but even that wasn't enough to save the game from being pulled. For reference about what kind of developers we're talking about in regards to 22cans, developers who exploited their own children to make shots at VALVe for Half-Life 3 being forever in development while promoting Fable 3 ( ), and yet...it really seems like VALVe keeps the whole Godus thing going for their own entertainment as lesser developers have been shut down already. Here is what YOU can do, as directed by a Steam Community Moderator:steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/492378265878009882/#c492378265878021989"I suggest writing a review and report the game on it's store page. Valve will look into it." "It will take time (and more reports)." After this was posted, a couple of days later, The Dead Linger was not available for purchase upon Steam. (Despite the "Dream Team" of Early Access apologists also found in that thread.) So, do your part to make these holidays a very merry one for 22cans since they still want to look like shit and have doubled-down on their douchebaggery on Twitter: If you haven't already, report Godus to Steam with references of what they have done. (The flag icon in the lower-right column of the store page to start the process - the best way would be to make a review with all of the evidence and then link to it from your report.) Remember, if 22cans flogs this anywhere else they still have to issue Steam keys for it. Merry Christmas and have a fun Holiday Sale!  |
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Post by deadspear on Nov 27, 2015 2:59:04 GMT
Would you mind posting what exactly you put in the report, I reported it a bunch of times already, but it seems to go directly in their trash bin.
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Post by Mandrake on Nov 27, 2015 4:15:52 GMT
A few reports just gets put onto the game's support files. There is a certain threshold if there aren't any major legal about-to-fry-VALVe's-ass problems (compared to usual, and let's be honest the Early Access program has been filled with similar..."developers"). With how 22cans have basically said that they can't even bother to have a CM anymore, along with a bunch of other evidence (such as a certain video that has Peter Molyneux saying that Godus is "fully released" but has been allowed to linger in Early Access Hell), surely there will be something that will tip VALVe's legal department into looking at measures to cover their own legal responsibilities. This video is still quite valid because the proof is quite there on VALVe's side to see how well 22cans has updated their game - as in hasn't really much of anything of note since this public admission by Peter Molyneux that Godus was considered fully released by the company: That the community has been doing updates themselves when 22cans hasn't cared to in about...two months now? steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/ Sept. 11 Now that 22cans are supposedly on "holidays"... (Hard to tell given what their usual movement looks like, right?) |
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Post by AdamJohnson on Nov 27, 2015 8:27:16 GMT
Just go back to Dissenter's Anonymous already, Mandrake. You aren't going to change anything here. Choo-choo, train's gone, bye-bye.
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Post by militairensneuvelen on Nov 27, 2015 9:08:29 GMT
It's about that time again, folks! The time of the year when Steam has its big holiday promotions and sales, so first they have their legal department go through all of the scumware reports to see which might be a liability. With the advent of Steam Refunds...it would seem like they would be taking extra-special care to make sure they don't have to process too many after a sale. Look at what isn't being sold anymore: steamcommunity.com/groups/dissenters-anonymous/discussions/1/492378265883022207/The Dead Linger is no longer for sale on Steam. Sandswept thought that they could still sell it under discounted price while going onto something else. VALVe said no. Developers that were nowhere as assholish as 22cans have been, but even that wasn't enough to save the game from being pulled. For reference about what kind of developers we're talking about in regards to 22cans, developers who exploited their own children to make shots at VALVe for Half-Life 3 being forever in development while promoting Fable 3 ( ), and yet...it really seems like VALVe keeps the whole Godus thing going for their own entertainment as lesser developers have been shut down already. Here is what YOU can do, as directed by a Steam Community Moderator:steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/492378265878009882/#c492378265878021989"I suggest writing a review and report the game on it's store page. Valve will look into it." "It will take time (and more reports)." After this was posted, a couple of days later, The Dead Linger was not available for purchase upon Steam. (Despite the "Dream Team" of Early Access apologists also found in that thread.) So, do your part to make these holidays a very merry one for 22cans since they still want to look like shit and have doubled-down on their douchebaggery on Twitter: If you haven't already, report Godus to Steam with references of what they have done. (The flag icon in the lower-right column of the store page to start the process - the best way would be to make a review with all of the evidence and then link to it from your report.) Remember, if 22cans flogs this anywhere else they still have to issue Steam keys for it. Merry Christmas and have a fun Holiday Sale! Good idea, reporting the game. So, done! |
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Post by SadamJohnson on Nov 27, 2015 9:26:42 GMT
Just go back to Dissenter's Anonymous already, Mandrake. You aren't going to change anything here. Choo-choo, train's gone, bye-bye. Boring troll is boring. |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Nov 27, 2015 19:12:05 GMT
Mandrake is more than welcome to continue posting such things, as is anyone.
We would, however, ask users at least try and be civil and not post merely in an effort to instigate arguments.
We try to maintain a very open environment here, with a variety o opinions and viewpoints, but there's no need to be needlessly awful to each other.
That is all, carry on.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Nov 27, 2015 20:01:04 GMT
I am so proud.
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Post by Mandrake on Nov 28, 2015 0:59:58 GMT
I didn't think that I really had to spell out what a game being pulled from sale on Steam usually meant, but here goes: unconditional refund period
So contact all of those you know who have expressed desire for refund upon the Steam forums - and there are a lot of them, no? - and let them know what they can do as advised by a Steam Community Moderator themselves.
And which apparently worked again. Perhaps with enough impetus it could work for Godus as well.
I can also see that as a reason why VALVe have been balking at it, because this is a relatively high-profile Early Access title. Then again, with the new refund system it wouldn't be that great of an idea to have it on sale or featured in any way, and just before sales is when VALVe does their best at any kind of content control.
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Post by tt on Nov 28, 2015 1:30:09 GMT
I didn't want to make a new topic just for this.
I noticed Godus doesn't participate in the Steam sale. Somewhat odd considering they're usually rocking a -75% off or lower when ever they get the chance.
Could it mean that an update is actually on its way or did they just realise that they won't be able to sell any more copies no matter the its price, since anyone who was even remotely interested and still hasn't bought it, got it recently for almost nothing (part of a bundle).
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Post by Drake on Nov 28, 2015 7:25:00 GMT
No, they realized that people refund the game almost immediately. However, with every refund, 22 cans loses money as Steam does not refund their cut, thus full price of the game is refunded by the developer. Meaning if the game is sold for $10, and Steam collects 20% ($2), if a refund is issued, the developer refunds full $10, and Steam gets to keep the $2 regardless.
That's why they didn't want to put the game on sale, as it's less likely people would buy the game, and hence cost them money in refunds. However, they don't also want to pull the game, as it opens up the flood gates for lawsuits, especially from Kickstarters as there's court established precedent that Kickstarter rewards must be delivered upon.
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Post by hardly on Nov 28, 2015 8:11:11 GMT
No, they realized that people refund the game almost immediately. However, with every refund, 22 cans loses money as Steam does not refund their cut, thus full price of the game is refunded by the developer. Meaning if the game is sold for $10, and Steam collects 20% ($2), if a refund is issued, the developer refunds full $10, and Steam gets to keep the $2 regardless. That's why they didn't want to put the game on sale, as it's less likely people would buy the game, and hence cost them money in refunds. However, they don't also want to pull the game, as it opens up the flood gates for lawsuits, especially from Kickstarters as there's court established precedent that Kickstarter rewards must be delivered upon. Plausible, but what are you basing this on? |
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Post by Drake on Nov 29, 2015 3:56:15 GMT
Do you have any other explanation?
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Post by Praesme on Nov 29, 2015 21:15:56 GMT
That godus is never on sale in November? Statistics show it is on sale in April, August, and December every year.
While I am all for sticking it to these lying sacks of shit for scamming us and laughing all the way, speculation without evidence looks like a witch hunt.
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