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Post by Kubik on Jan 26, 2016 11:29:27 GMT
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Post by heggers on Jan 26, 2016 13:04:48 GMT
Don't think there's a single person on this board who isn't affiliated with 22Cans that wishes something similar would happen with Godus. Unfortunately its highly unlikely as it would probably ruin them financially (sucks for the employees but no less than PM deserves). Probably wouldn't help those of us that backed the game on Kickstarter as I don't think Steam would refund a game obtained through a key
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 13:59:48 GMT
i don't think removing Godus from Steam is really necessary, as some people want to ride this 22cans fail-barge into port and see what pops out. Could they update their media to be a bit more accurate in their description of what Godus actually is and what it may become? Sure. Would allowing those who want a refund to take one be a positive PR step? I'd wager in the affirmative. After all, if they are so certain their product is a winner, surely those who take a refund will see the finished product and buy it again once complete. They may take a small net loss, but can you put a price on bad publicity? Yep, 22cans will be re-realising this for years to come. Could proper communication, as promised in their Kickstarter, ease tensions and build good will? Sure. Unless, of course, they really have been taking the PC community for a ride this entire time. Then it's probably just a matter of time before someone gets horked off bad enough to organise legal action. In which case, the less they spout their zen-like drivel, the better.
It really is baffling to me how a company's image can be handled this badly, especially after handing over the reigns to a fixer. Something isn't right in Guildford, and it's just a matter of time till we find out what it is. Eventually NDAs will expire. People will break confidence over a pint at the pub. Something will leak, and then we'll know why Molyneux and his merry band of super duper enthusiastic canners fumbled this so badly.
If anyone is still around to give a rats.
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Post by Mandrake on Jan 27, 2016 1:09:30 GMT
Eventually NDAs will expire. People will break confidence over a pint at the pub. Something will leak, and then we'll know why Molyneux and his merry band of super duper enthusiastic canners fumbled this so badly. Another quite likely reason why PM would like the enthusiastic but inexperienced - they probably have no clue that NDAs do not cover illegal activities. "Activities" could easily include anything used to aid the scam committed internationally, as PM himself set the scope of the scam to include the entirety of Godus' development. This is one of the reasons why SamVT bailed hard, because he promoted the damn thing and the scam for it. There are plenty of other ex-22cans employees, some of which have been more honest about the situation, but PM couldn't do a damn thing to them because he tainted development with illegal activities; this includes Konrad's reveals about the nature of development, which at worst could cost him his job, but there's nothing PM could do otherwise to him because the NDAs around Godus have been made nearly entirely moot by PM's own scam. I think we've seen about all the honesty we could expect from anyone at 22cans, and as we know they do not like being told of better things to do even if they pretend to entertain such once in a blue moon. With that in mind...seems like it's almost time for The Shit 2.0.
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Post by vv[FuMM] on Feb 1, 2016 16:30:00 GMT
Eventually NDAs will expire. People will break confidence over a pint at the pub. Something will leak, and then we'll know why Molyneux and his merry band of super duper enthusiastic canners fumbled this so badly. Another quite likely reason why PM would like the enthusiastic but inexperienced - they probably have no clue that NDAs do not cover illegal activities. "Activities" could easily include anything used to aid the scam committed internationally, as PM himself set the scope of the scam to include the entirety of Godus' development. This is one of the reasons why SamVT bailed hard, because he promoted the damn thing and the scam for it. There are plenty of other ex-22cans employees, some of which have been more honest about the situation, but PM couldn't do a damn thing to them because he tainted development with illegal activities; this includes Konrad's reveals about the nature of development, which at worst could cost him his job, but there's nothing PM could do otherwise to him because the NDAs around Godus have been made nearly entirely moot by PM's own scam. I think we've seen about all the honesty we could expect from anyone at 22cans, and as we know they do not like being told of better things to do even if they pretend to entertain such once in a blue moon. With that in mind...seems like it's almost time for The Shit 2.0. Some of the ex-canners have said exactly what's gone on in confidence and in public. SamVT and Fabs() have a wealth of information out in public. Just try googling for it. Either directly said or strongly implyed. SamVT was being ignored by peter many many times. SamVT told peter "Don't ignore your PC fans. This is a really really really bad idea!". Peter refused to listen and kept making media mistake after media mistake. In mid/late 2013 it was obvious to SamVT (or was it earlyer SamVT?) that the game was not going to be PC focused as peter has stated. SamVT has several tweets,forum posts and other stuff floating around the net that says all this. The rest I've put together from some things others have told me over the years. SamVT's public posts don't break NDAs I don't think but do explain the frustration he had trying to deal with peter's stupid mobile focused game when he sold a pc focused game to backers and steam EA customers. (This has been covered plenty of times but the main evidence is having a "bonus mobile key" as a kickstarter level that you need to play more for to get at a later date. If the mobile was the main focus then every one would have gotten a key and the pc version would have been the "bonus key". So logically mobile should be the secoundary platform. Also peter only mentions being able to keep playing your game on mobile later.). Fabs() blog post was the nail in the obvious coffin. Again I don't think he breaks any NDAs but his dissapointment with the direction the game was going etc is really obvious in his posts. Try googling for SamVT,godus,mobile etc. I have no idea how long these things might stay cached but a year or two ago they existed. Some game forums SamVT is part of have some interesting posts. This is all publicly accessable and dosen't require any kind of logins to the websites. I still feel sorry for the exPR and community mods/managers etc that used to work for 22cans but I think they definately did the right thing. It's just a wonder that 22cans hasen't tried to replace them. The amount of damage control they need to do is huge and obviously colin and simon have decided to just focus on the asian market that can't read english any way and won't know about the horrible direction this game has gone. "wow asia has like.. 3 billion people that can't read the shit that peter says day to day! Win win situation!" I'm sure they are saying.
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Post by vv[FuMM] on Feb 1, 2016 17:05:48 GMT
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