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Post by Spiderweb on Feb 4, 2016 13:40:18 GMT
Quoted from steam.... steamcommunity.com/app/422420/discussions/0/405690850603772892/"Community Update - Godus Wars Premium Content Hi Godus Wars Community! Firstly welcome to our new Godus players and hello to our existing users. As you noticed, yesterday we (finally) released Godus Wars. By now, all of you that purchased the original Godus and our Kickstarter backers should have Godus Wars in your Steam Library. We’re aware that it took a few hours to propagate to some of you and if you think you should have it and still don’t then do get in touch. We’ll be making some changes to the game and also the steam page to reflect the feedback that’s coming in and we’ll do a round up of that very soon. In the mean time, its been brought to our attention that the extra content being a premium add on really isn’t a popular choice. Whilst we think that it does represent good value, especially considering that Godus Wars has been delivered as a free update to hundreds of thousands of users and the lower purchase price of the main game we understand previous Godus owners frustrations with this. Therefore, based on your feedback, the extra content will be available to all free-of-charge Apologies for the frustrations and we hope you enjoy playing. Simon Phillips, 22cans CEO. PS: Thanks for everyone posting their Godus Wars feedback in our discussion boards. The Godus Wars team really appreciate the detailed feedback we have received." |
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Post by Deth on Feb 4, 2016 13:54:02 GMT
But I do not think it covers for the fact they remotely thought they could charge in the first place. I have not played yet but $14, or what ever they are charging for 5 hours of game before you have to pay for another few hours of play? I am sorry they are desperate for money, but they brought this on them selves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 14:00:09 GMT
Same Cans, different year. Didn't they try similar #%+% during the original Godus alpha? Looks like things turned out similarly. At least they didn't act all shocked and surprised about it this time.
In any case, good on them. It's about time they pulled their heads out of their collective arses and made a show of positive engagement towards their backers/customers.
I suppose all that's left is for them to actually finish a game, or two.
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Post by hardly on Feb 4, 2016 18:30:40 GMT
You don't get prizes for cleaning up the milk when you threw it on the ground in the first place.
Simon's problem is they don't understand they have to provide something decent first then they can charge. 22Cans always just want to skip to the extra charging. Simon, finish a game, any game to a decent standard where we all agree it is good then we can talk about charging for supplementary content.
No doubt they desparately need the money. That problem has arisen because the have been so god awful at planning and implementing their plan efficiently. When you have so many reversals and diversions from what you are supposed to do is it any wonder they have run out of money?
Regardless of their financial situation they need to deliver on the promises they have made to the people who have already paid them. If they can't meet those contracts then they need to renegotiate with us as a community. We are reasonable people but we won't accept a empty cup when we ordered a glass of wine.
Simon/Colin - my message to you is present us a proposal of what the finished product is for people who bought GODUS and lets talk. Otherwise next time you try to charge for content, and let's face it you'll try again pretty soon, this will happen again.
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Post by heggers on Feb 4, 2016 19:46:52 GMT
Actually I'd say its a pretty crap PR move. They way its been phrased makes us out to look completely ungrateful that they've given us this "amazing" game for £11 and we're baulking at paying another £3.50 or whatever to unlock the next section of gameplay. This is completely irrespective of whether we've acquired the game from legacy or bought it anew.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Feb 4, 2016 20:11:55 GMT
Personally I don't mind 22cans making money. In fact, the more money they make the better. But what I do mind is if people who have already paid to receive "the full godus experience" get charged extra to be able to play. And what I do mind is if previously made promises, agreements or assurances get broken. That I will not stand for.
I still want the godus that was promised in the kickstarter and I don't care if it takes them 10 more years to build it.
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Post by Mandrake on Feb 4, 2016 21:26:42 GMT
This? This was nothing, really. Just wait until everyone realises what game 22cans are trying to pull by ticking off boxes next to every country by trying to sleaze their way out from Kickstarter/Early Access obligations with a "Godus spinoff"...and ended up committing blatant bait and switch damn near everywhere Godus is sold. This is an unbelievably bad move for a CEO to lead the charge on, and he has been since this "combat sprint/update" nonsense was around when he showed up and later given help by Colin. If they weren't intentionally trying to destroy the Early Access program and the 22cans studio then they've really missed their true calling; they're doing far more damage to themselves than I've considered appropriate at times. So go on, simon22cans or colin22cans , tell everyone the REAL reasons why you're playing the rename game...for even the least experienced in the industry to point out how that is going to blow up in your faces. After all, you're the ones trying to say that a DLC released on day one of your title hitting the Early Access toilet again in bait and switch - when the original product has yet to arrive - is "good value".Amazing, really. It is as if they're trying to have a narrative that they don't owe a bunch of folks big while at the same time also claiming that they're addressing Kickstarter rewards. And that going from one unfinished title to another unfinished title to introduce paywalls is something...people should be appreciative of somehow? |
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Post by morsealworth on Feb 6, 2016 17:49:58 GMT
Personally I don't mind 22cans making money. In fact, the more money they make the better. No one mind them making money. We all care about them swindling money because it's a crime and it's our money they swindled first. |
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Post by militairensneuvelen on Feb 9, 2016 7:36:27 GMT
A good PR stunt would be giving up.
No longer trying to scam people.
That would the best piece of PR.
B.t.w. Simon does his own stunts...
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Post by Mandrake on Feb 9, 2016 9:24:46 GMT
The best PR that could happen would probably be a return to when 22cans had open communication with their community on almost all fronts - when honesty could be expected in some part from 22cans. They could always try that again unless they are certain they'd only achieve an even lower Steam Store review percentage.
The media backlash each time has been because the dishonesty happened at all, not because it was discovered; because the former happened the latter was only a matter of time. Now there isn't even a CM and it appears that again the role was a useless one except to occasionally get across "They really REALLY don't like this..." only for even THAT much to get ignored. The studio couldn't even furnish Dave with what the Godus/ Wars team were doing and as a result it made his efforts look silly most of the time.
In a way, I can't really blame Colin for being scarce; no PR fellow I know could have promoted Godus Wars without any idea of how some of the more deceptive parts would be received - simply career suicide with him as the sacrificial chicken. In these cases, it isn't uncommon for the employee to distance themselves from the situation as much as possible while sitting at the same desk, especially when you *know* a media stinkbomb has yet to go off.
I wouldn't want to be known as the fellow who helped sell this thing. Sorry SamVT...
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Post by Deth on Feb 9, 2016 12:59:20 GMT
Very true. They just need to sit down admit they fucked up. That they are going to start from scratch, weather the storm, and try to build the game they promised. If they could do that and hold the coarse, I think they could earn the trust back from a lot of people. Just be honest with what they can and can not do and lay down a road map.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Feb 9, 2016 13:35:28 GMT
Like the idea but neeeever gonna happen.
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Post by mindless on Feb 9, 2016 14:52:47 GMT
... Just be honest with what they can and can not do and lay down a road map. A road map won't help when they don't have a car to drive. |
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Post by eddiemonsta on Feb 9, 2016 14:53:56 GMT
Like the idea but neeeever gonna happen. Whilst I agree it won't happen, it really should. |
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Post by Deth on Feb 9, 2016 15:02:25 GMT
... Just be honest with what they can and can not do and lay down a road map. A road map won't help when they don't have a car to drive. Well part of the road map should be building the car. |
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Post by morsealworth on Feb 9, 2016 18:35:41 GMT
Very true. They just need to sit down admit they fucked up. Well, Peter admitted he fucked up. And went to fuck up even more. |
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Post by idem on Feb 9, 2016 18:45:49 GMT
Peter admits all the time he fucks up. And he even admits he'll prolly keep doing it. Hasn't made much difference.
Though, come to think of it, what makes him 'that guy who betrays everyone' instead of 'that guy whom we all know to take with a huge grain of salt'? I mean, didn't we all know from the start that he says stuff that ends up not happening a lot? I reckon most of us knew his career before getting his latest game. So we knew he over promises. We knew that what we were going to end up with wasn't going to be the same same as what comes out of his mouth. So why are so many of us surprised? Or even feel betrayed. We knew, right?
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Feb 9, 2016 18:55:55 GMT
I never knew. I was a fan of the old school games. Back before the apparent overpromising. I didn't pay attention to the games biz for a long time. Then this came along. Now my innocence is lost. Peter took away my innocence!  |
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Post by idem on Feb 9, 2016 19:01:21 GMT
He popped your overpromise-cherry  |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Feb 9, 2016 19:10:59 GMT
He popped your overpromise-cherry It must have looked like a lovely delicious delightful juicy pink bubble to him. |
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