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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 18, 2016 10:41:44 GMT
Perhaps it's finally time to claim a refund / file a lawsuit?
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Post by deadspear on Jun 18, 2016 18:55:06 GMT
I think someone should get this to the staff at PC Gamer, Eurogamer, etc. They should get the word out, let the "fans" do what they do best until we get an official conformation, maybe now Valve or someone will step in once it reaches a boiling point.
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Post by tikigod on Jun 18, 2016 19:24:23 GMT
*** Special news bulletin *** A source from inside the studio has confirmed that Konrad ( FuriousMoo ) is no longer employed by 22cans. He was in fact already gone by the time colin22cans was made redundant, although not long before. As far as is clear at this time, he did not choose to leave on his own accord, meaning he was "made redundant" as well. As for where he is now and what he is doing, the situation remains unclear. Not long after the release of Godus Wars, the brunt of the Godus team was moved over to the Trail, at least everyone with knowledge of Unity. The Trail purportedly is a walking simulator with nice looking art but very little substance. *** End of bulletin *** Thanks for the bulletin. The Trail sounds rubbish. I've never played a walking simulator and don't have any desire to. Didn't Molyneux mention on the announcement of the Trail that it was intended to be a mobile only 'social emotion-driven game' type thing? So pretty much DOA before they even started, as translated from Molyneuxesse into comprehensible English that most means "A content less project targeted at low standard holding mobile users, where people can invent the design of the game for us to defend the games existence whilst we selective crop statistics to make it look like a huge success for the company". |
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Post by tikigod on Jun 18, 2016 19:30:00 GMT
Perhaps it's finally time to claim a refund / file a lawsuit? Refunds will be tricky. Valve won't budge for those that bought into the early access unless not doing so will negatively harm their image quite significantly or if the developer pushes Valve to make it happen (Not going to happen with 22Cans). Even if 22Cans confirm they've abandoned the project it will take A LOT of pressure for Valve to do anything because there is no actual part of the purchase agreement that says the developers HAVE to finish the game in terms of if the developers don't deliver everyone immediately gets their money back. 22Cans can just shrug at backers who got on-board prior to Early Access and go "All part of the crowdfunding drama folks. Pinky swear we've learned our lesson". Now if Godus were to release on PC (which it technically has given the mobile is a 1.x release by 22Cans own classification, but they acted like cowardly vermin with the PC carry over and refused to remove the 'Early Access' designation)..... that would be an entirely different thing altogether. Way I see it our options for quite some time have only been: * Legal pressure. * PR pressure that would be commercially harmful to ignore for either Valve or 22Cans. * 22Cans to be honest. |
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Post by hardly on Jun 18, 2016 22:30:09 GMT
It's no wonder Simon is too scared to front up. It will be interesting when/if they finally go public with the trail and try to promote it. I imagine the interviews will be tough.
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Post by tikigod on Jun 19, 2016 11:34:36 GMT
It's no wonder Simon is too scared to front up. It will be interesting when/if they finally go public with the trail and try to promote it. I imagine the interviews will be tough. If it's going to be mobile only, I can see the interviews being a breeze for the most part. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jun 19, 2016 15:24:54 GMT
I think someone should get this to the staff at PC Gamer, Eurogamer, etc. They should get the word out, let the "fans" do what they do best until we get an official conformation, maybe now Valve or someone will step in once it reaches a boiling point. This is what I would recommend too. A quick tip and a nod to those that have recently left 22cans as possible contacts to interview for more solid info would probably be best. Only problem with the latter is that they don't seem inclined to speak on the matter due to potential career problems it may produce, which is somewhat understandable. At the same time, if we were on good terms with them and could convince them to speak anonymously as someone that worked there, that could maybe work too. Then again, the journalists might do that on their own, as its unclear how Kotaku got some of its info in the last spate of articles it wrote on this matter. Whether they contacted them or the 22cans' person decided to toss over the info themselves, I dunno. Edit: Toss it, I sent a brief message on the matter over to Eurogamer, Kotaku, and RPS. |
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Lord Ba'al
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 19, 2016 16:52:23 GMT
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I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 19, 2016 22:36:51 GMT
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Lord Ba'al
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I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 19, 2016 22:52:21 GMT
By the way, for all of you who are reading and thinking "I have something to say but I don't feel like signing up to the forum", we do have a special section just for you. godus.boards.net/board/12/godus-open-boardYou can post there without signing up. |
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Post by heggers on Jun 20, 2016 8:09:33 GMT
If it weren't for the fact that neither of them have the stones, I'd almost think the source could've been Muir or Aynen
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Post by hardly on Jun 20, 2016 8:26:47 GMT
You know the pattern is the same every time. 22Cans goes dark, silence goes well for them for a while, then bang, the shitstorm explodes.
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Post by totallytim on Jun 20, 2016 8:32:53 GMT
Perhaps a coordinated "report spam" of both Godus and Godus Wars at around the same time could achieve something. We could try to set a date and time, to send at least 50 reports to Steam. It might at least persuade Valve to take a look at 22Cans.
I guess we could drum together a few willing people through the proboards and steam forums.
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Post by hardly on Jun 20, 2016 9:36:57 GMT
It's going to be fun watching them try to manage the fallout without any PR support.
One tack I'd like to see the media take is to ask why they are still selling these games as early access when they have reported canned (pun intended) the lead developer and the shifted the resources to other projects?
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 21, 2016 0:03:15 GMT
If it weren't for the fact that neither of them have the stones, I'd almost think the source could've been Muir or Aynen I can't say whom, so I'll just say that it was not an unpaid moderator. You can try guessing, but that's about all. You know the pattern is the same every time. 22Cans goes dark, silence goes well for them for a while, then bang, the shitstorm explodes. True, however, this time I think it will be the last - because I don't believe they could weather the storm of shit that could potentially come from this. It's going to be fun watching them try to manage the fallout without any PR support. One tack I'd like to see the media take is to ask why they are still selling these games as early access when they have reported canned (pun intended) the lead developer and the shifted the resources to other projects? Exactly. They are selling a carton of sour milk and promising it'll eventually taste like sweet chocolate - while, instead, they're off churning butter in the corner. This cannot be allowed to continue. |
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Post by hardly on Jun 21, 2016 1:19:21 GMT
Feel free to not respond to this, but are you aware of any additional damning information that is not in the public domain?
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 21, 2016 4:12:28 GMT
Feel free to not respond to this, but are you aware of any additional damning information that is not in the public domain? What very little I do know of the situation at 22Cans was given in confidence. The community has been informed of nearly everything shared, with just a few details withheld as requested to protect the privacy of those involved. Remember, standard corporate policies means this person is still likely under an NDA. Also know that what info we were given has not been verified, nor vetted, only what was relayed to us via a very reliable source with connection to 22Cans. I presume that this individual could potentially have a grudge, given the circumstance involved, however I feel it was more of a crisis of conscience more so than a vendetta; much like with other ex-employees of 22Cans. Having been in a similar circumstance once, myself, I can completely relate. Remember; we are very lucky, as a community, that we were trusted enough to have any information at all from the source - over any other. That speaks volumes about not only us, but also the integrity of the source. |
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Post by hardly on Jun 21, 2016 4:30:44 GMT
Feel free to not respond to this, but are you aware of any additional damning information that is not in the public domain? What very little I do know of the situation at 22Cans was given in confidence. The community has been informed of nearly everything shared, with just a few details withheld as requested to protect the privacy of those involved. Remember, standard corporate policies means this person is still likely under an NDA. Also know that what info we were given has not been verified, nor vetted, only what was relayed to us via a very reliable source with connection to 22Cans. I presume that this individual could potentially have a grudge, given the circumstance involved, however I feel it was more of a crisis of conscience more so than a vendetta; much like with other ex-employees of 22Cans. Having been in a similar circumstance once, myself, I can completely relate. Remember; we are very lucky, as a community, that we were trusted enough to have any information at all from the source - over any other. That speaks volumes about not only us, but also the integrity of the source. That's completely fair enough. I just wanted to clarify there wasn't anything else major outstanding that was going to go boom. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 21, 2016 6:12:08 GMT
There's always something waiting to go boom at 22cans.
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Post by heggers on Jun 21, 2016 8:11:17 GMT
If it weren't for the fact that neither of them have the stones, I'd almost think the source could've been Muir or Aynen I can't say whom, so I'll just say that it was not an unpaid moderator. You can try guessing, but that's about all. Well whoever it is, please pass along my praise and thanks to them for their courage. |
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