Lord Ba'al
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 24, 2014 2:41:53 GMT
You know what I think might do wonders for the connection between 22Cans and the Godus community? If all the people who are working on Godus would take the time to sit down and write up a little résumé (for lack of a better word) of the things they have done in their life that eventually lead to their employment at 22Cans. It doesn't have to be their complete life history, just the relevant bits. Then after that maybe they could tell us about their experiences while they've been working on project Godus.
Something like this could really be a big step in making the community care about the people who are building the game. In turn that might have a positive effect on the perception of the community regarding 22Cans and Godus.
Thoughts?
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Post by rhamnusia on May 24, 2014 3:25:32 GMT
I think if PM wasn't involved, sure. As long as he's involved though, people will focus on him and it won't matter how much they like the other guys
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Post by morsealworth on May 24, 2014 18:35:39 GMT
You know, Andrei Chikatilo was a good man, perfect husband and father. He was also a good literature teacher.
Does this make us think of him better after he confessed to raping, murdering and eating 56 women and children?
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Post by arondc on May 24, 2014 19:13:46 GMT
You know, Andrei Chikatilo was a good man, perfect husband and father. He was also a good literature teacher. Does this make us think of him better after he confessed to raping, murdering and eating 56 women and children? Actually it would make me think "man women and children have to taste awesome" ^^ |
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Lord Ba'al
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 24, 2014 20:18:44 GMT
You know, Andrei Chikatilo was a good man, perfect husband and father. He was also a good literature teacher. Does this make us think of him better after he confessed to raping, murdering and eating 56 women and children? Your point is? |
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Post by 13thGeneral on May 25, 2014 1:43:06 GMT
Yeah, maybe. Something like this would be cool. |
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Post by morsealworth on May 26, 2014 18:34:18 GMT
You know, Andrei Chikatilo was a good man, perfect husband and father. He was also a good literature teacher. Does this make us think of him better after he confessed to raping, murdering and eating 56 women and children? Your point is? My point is, being a good man doesn't you always do good things. I can also use as example Hitler and lots of other people. And, of course, there is always inability to prevent crap from occuring. So my main point is, even if all 22Cans are good guys, that doesn't change anything about Godus being a pile of falseadverted shit right into our souls. |
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Lord Ba'al
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 26, 2014 19:01:22 GMT
My point is, being a good man doesn't you always do good things. I can also use as example Hitler and lots of other people. And, of course, there is always inability to prevent crap from occuring. So my main point is, even if all 22Cans are good guys, that doesn't change anything about Godus being a pile of falseadverted shit right into our souls. Yeah it doesn't make Godus any better but it might lead you to appreciate the people that are just following orders. |
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Post by sidara on May 27, 2014 4:50:20 GMT
Yeah it doesn't make Godus any better but it might lead you to appreciate the people that are just following orders. Unfortunately for the lads and lasses at 22cans, the 'I was just following orders' defence hasn't passed muster since Nuremberg. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_ordersFortunately for them I doubt Godus will result in a trial  It does beg the question though, of how far you are prepared to stick with a job. I quit my last one because I couldn't stand the managerial style of the guy I was working for. It just gave me rage, which is generally not a healthy thing. If I had a boss as wishy-washy as Peter, I'd probably up sticks to be honest. Vision is great, but you also need leadership. |
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Post by waiting on conway on May 27, 2014 6:43:13 GMT
With the exposition of 22Cans’ personal personnel info, I expect the community will rip them boys to pieces in a far more hurtful if efficient manner. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 7:01:11 GMT
With the exposition of 22Cans’ personal personnel info, I expect the community will rip them boys to pieces in a far more hurtful if efficient manner. That's what i think, too.
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 27, 2014 7:16:06 GMT
Anyone who's interested in the professional history of members of the 22Cans team can probably look them up on LinkedIn. I think 22Cans has actually been quite sensible in keeping their staff in the background for the most part, and nominating only particular team members to face the community. I wouldn't want to be expected to face an onslaught of personal criticism as part of my job.
As for whether they're unethical for choosing to remain in the employment of 22Cans... well, I don't know what everyone else here does for a living, but the firm I work for isn't exactly known for saving starving orphans and giving money to the poor. I hold myself to ethical standards at work, but this is the financial services industry. This is the kind of firm that gets called in to decide who should get sacked and to find 'efficient tax solutions'. Something about sins and casting stones comes to mind.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 16:28:07 GMT
there is only one solution to get more faith anything else will never ever work that is no secrets no lies, and reveal everything that they are working on it and give the backers finally all kickstarter items they should get
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Post by 13thGeneral on May 28, 2014 1:32:04 GMT
Anyone who's interested in the professional history of members of the 22Cans team can probably look them up on LinkedIn. I think 22Cans has actually been quite sensible in keeping their staff in the background for the most part, and nominating only particular team members to face the community. I wouldn't want to be expected to face an onslaught of personal criticism as part of my job. As for whether they're unethical for choosing to remain in the employment of 22Cans... well, I don't know what everyone else here does for a living, but the firm I work for isn't exactly known for saving starving orphans and giving money to the poor. I hold myself to ethical standards at work, but this is the financial services industry. This is the kind of firm that gets called in to decide who should get sacked and to find 'efficient tax solutions'. Something about sins and casting stones comes to mind. True. My company makes floating war machines peace keeping vessels, so I see your point. |
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Post by nerdyvonnerdling on May 28, 2014 13:51:13 GMT
The unethical argument is that they gained funding through something ranging in spectrum from at best unintentionally deceptive/coercive marketing to at worst straight-up fraud. The fact that the game produced through such means is really bad, well, that's the lemon juice on the paper cut, there.
It's interesting. I certainly don't blame anyone for working there, or hold it against them in any way - they aren't nazis, no one is dying as a result of their actions, they're a video game company. I can't imagine, outside of maybe a handful of employees, that the pay is all that great. From what I've heard and read, the hours are, let's say, unenviable. Would I work for them? I get paid to draw for a living and I actually really like the concept art on this game, truth be told, so I don't know. The honest answer is, depends on the pay. I still think the best thing I did for myself was to turn down a job offer at Zynga many years ago, even though at the time I was unemployed, but it was for no other reason than the pay was crap and I valued my work at a level more than 'crap', so I can't claim any ethical upper-hand. It's just a video game company, after all.
I think that, outside of maybe Peter and Jack, and whoever else steered the direction of this thing, this isn't anything the employees should be ashamed of having on their resume. I also think they should keep those resumes up to date and close at hand, because I would be surprised if this company survives for more than another year.
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Post by Shougat on May 28, 2014 20:14:41 GMT
While knowing a bit about the team would be nice it doesn’t change that we don’t know what they are doing. I wouldn't mind seeing a blog from the staff saying what they are working on in the game and how they are working around problems, example Starbound’s daily updates. It would both show how the game is being put together as well as shows progression of work instead of the shove of shit they we currently get each month without explanation.
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