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Post by earlparvisjam on Jun 29, 2014 19:39:05 GMT
As a side-effect of the Kickstarter/Steam forum comparison thread, I've been talking about the development history and digging through my old posts to find past conversations. I even linked a few pertinent threads that were discussing how mobile has been officially in development well before June. Today, I went into my history and suddenly large numbers of my posts are now the property of "This item was moved or deleted." Most are from early March, but some go as far back as mid-September.
So, if you're an old-timer from the Steam forums, don't count on being able to point to an old thread to prove any points. Someone's decided to erase parts of the past...
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 29, 2014 20:01:03 GMT
Really? Damn, I was hoping to go back and catalog all the suggestions I've made, and re-posting them here (mostly for posterity).
Now, the questions is; is it a Steam Mod, a 22Cans Mod, or just an automatic 'old-thread cleansing' mechanism of Steam forum?
I am not aware of any "aging out" of old threads on Steam - e.g. the server archives old topics past a certain timeframe has past - but it's possible.
EDIT: There must be some way of determining WHO is responsible, I would think.
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Post by earlparvisjam on Jun 29, 2014 20:17:29 GMT
Really? Damn, I was hoping to go back and catalog all the suggestions I've made, and re-posting them. Now, the questions is, "Is it a Steam Mod, a 22Cans Mod, or just an automatic 'old-thread cleansing' mechanism of Steam forum? It's not an automatic old-thread cleansing mechanism. My post history shows previous and later threads still accessible. Someone's sifting through the history and pruning things. So far, it seems like most are early complaint threads, but the forums weren't very controlled back then and we tended to meander off-topic frequently. I still have a good number of posts in my history from those deleted threads but I'm also observing posts that have vanished entirely and have no idea where they've gone. Some of which, I can find posts that talk about the missing conversations. It's a very strong coincidence that threads started being pruned when the topic of post history came up. With us on the last stretch toward the 1 year anniversary of Early Access, that history is going to come into play more often. As is, it's already becoming difficult to disprove that mobile development was going on before June. Thankfully, PM's many interviews in March/April can't be deleted by a moderator. |
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Post by Qetesh on Jun 29, 2014 20:29:48 GMT
Anybody from any forum that wants to copy and paste their posts from all viewpoints is welcome to do so here. We won't be pruning anything in the foreseeable future.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 29, 2014 23:41:54 GMT
How low can you go.
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 30, 2014 0:11:57 GMT
Looking back over some of the topic threads I participated in, way back in October (so far, I haven't found any marked Deleted or Moved... yet), you could literally take most of them and apply them to the current build complaints and feedback. It's astounding how little things have changed, or at least how much of the feedback is still applicable today. Reminds me of the running theme mantra of BSG, "All this has happened before, and will happen again.".
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Post by Qetesh on Jun 30, 2014 0:38:26 GMT
Looking back over some of the topic threads I participated in, way back in October (so far, I haven't found any marked Deleted or Moved... yet), you could literally take most of them and apply them to the current build complaints and feedback. It's astounding how little things have changed, or at least how much of the feedback is still applicable today. Reminds me of the running theme mantra of BSG, " All this has happened before, and will happen again.". That reminds me of another quote....."Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 30, 2014 1:06:55 GMT
Sound familiar?
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Post by banned on Jun 30, 2014 1:58:07 GMT
sadly, the mindset of "ban or delete and it shall go away, reality ignored" is strongly represented in 22candyass's philosophy.
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Post by earlparvisjam on Jun 30, 2014 2:29:16 GMT
How about this gem from March 5, 2014:
Those were more innocent days back then. We were so young and idealistic...
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 30, 2014 3:20:25 GMT
How about this gem from March 5, 2014: Those were more innocent days back then. We were so young and idealistic... Indeed. So much excitement and potential, and it still feels like we're in the early alpha stages. |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Jun 30, 2014 10:37:31 GMT
Really? Damn, I was hoping to go back and catalog all the suggestions I've made, and re-posting them here (mostly for posterity). Now, the questions is; is it a Steam Mod, a 22Cans Mod, or just an automatic 'old-thread cleansing' mechanism of Steam forum? I am not aware of any "aging out" of old threads on Steam - e.g. the server archives old topics past a certain timeframe has past - but it's possible. EDIT: There must be some way of determining WHO is responsible, I would think.
Wait, what? This is news to me, it's certainly not an activity I've initiated. This happened over the weekend? |
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Lord Ba'al
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Posts: 6,260
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I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
GOG: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 30, 2014 10:48:46 GMT
For the record, I'm not saying that I would never delete a thread, (I have done so for one or two of the very early threads on this board) but if I were to tidy up this place it would be far more likely that I would move threads into an archive section where they'd still be available to anyone.
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 30, 2014 11:57:28 GMT
Really? Damn, I was hoping to go back and catalog all the suggestions I've made, and re-posting them here (mostly for posterity). Now, the questions is; is it a Steam Mod, a 22Cans Mod, or just an automatic 'old-thread cleansing' mechanism of Steam forum? I am not aware of any "aging out" of old threads on Steam - e.g. the server archives old topics past a certain timeframe has past - but it's possible. EDIT: There must be some way of determining WHO is responsible, I would think.
Wait, what? This is news to me, it's certainly not an activity I've initiated. This happened over the weekend? Not sure. I wasn't the one that noticed or reported it, that was earlparvisjam who says some were deleted/moved. Perhaps he's just now noticing posts are gone that were deleted/moved a long time ago? I skimmed my Steam posts last night - all 36 pages of them - and didn't immediately see any marked deleted/moved - unless of course, they wouldn;t show up at all, in which case I don't know how I'd see them. |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Jun 30, 2014 12:06:30 GMT
If anything like that is occurring, it'll be Steam doing it themselves. I've not conducted nor requested such activity - it'd be like PR suicide doing so!
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Lord Ba'al
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Posts: 6,260
Pledge level: Half a Partner
I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
GOG: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 30, 2014 14:28:13 GMT
If anything like that is occurring, it'll be Steam doing it themselves. I've not conducted nor requested such activity - it'd be like PR suicide doing so! No offense to you but that would appear to be one of 22Cans special skills. |
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Post by earlparvisjam on Jun 30, 2014 14:52:22 GMT
Well, now you'll be glad to hear that I'm no longer seeing the "This item was moved or deleted" threads in my history. I'm not sure if whatever pruning was reversed or I'm not seeing the threads at all any more. I'll be reviewing my older history since I'm not sure if the change was reversed or whoever did the removal figured out how to remove from history as well. I probably should have taken screen shots for reference but what's past is past...
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Post by stuhacking on Jun 30, 2014 15:16:12 GMT
Well, now you'll be glad to hear that I'm no longer seeing the "This item was moved or deleted" threads in my history. I'm not sure if whatever pruning was reversed or I'm not seeing the threads at all any more. I'll be reviewing my older history since I'm not sure if the change was reversed or whoever did the removal figured out how to remove from history as well. I probably should have taken screen shots for reference but what's past is past... Could have been a temporary issue in the back end... DB replication or requests being sent to the wrong server. (Or maybe they archive posts until someone attempts to load them.) Just a guess, but it doesn't sound like there was anyone behind it... |
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Post by earlparvisjam on Jun 30, 2014 15:31:38 GMT
Well, now you'll be glad to hear that I'm no longer seeing the "This item was moved or deleted" threads in my history. I'm not sure if whatever pruning was reversed or I'm not seeing the threads at all any more. I'll be reviewing my older history since I'm not sure if the change was reversed or whoever did the removal figured out how to remove from history as well. I probably should have taken screen shots for reference but what's past is past... Could have been a temporary issue in the back end... DB replication or requests being sent to the wrong server. (Or maybe they archive posts until someone attempts to load them.) Just a guess, but it doesn't sound like there was anyone behind it... I really hope that's the case. It's just odd that I was digging through history 2 days ago just fine and after posting links to some of the older Godus threads in my history start to have issues. At least I am sure I can still link some of the more important threads from back then and this whole situation has egged me into revisiting the past more thoroughly... |
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Post by morsealworth on Jul 7, 2014 18:16:56 GMT
Looking back over some of the topic threads I participated in, way back in October (so far, I haven't found any marked Deleted or Moved... yet), you could literally take most of them and apply them to the current build complaints and feedback. It's astounding how little things have changed, or at least how much of the feedback is still applicable today. Reminds me of the running theme mantra of BSG, " All this has happened before, and will happen again.". That reminds me of another quote....."Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" More like "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past". |
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