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Post by Monkeythumbz on Aug 19, 2014 10:35:39 GMT
This post is WAY uncool! I shared some additional info specifically here on ProBoards because it's less visible, so I feel more secure... and you go ahead and share it on Steam? Why? For what reason? What are you trying to prove? Did you see Qetesh's post here, you know, from the same thread you quoted? Not a very nice thing to do, IMHO. Right now, I'm being tasked with drawing my attention away from the forums right now to focus more on a strategic level of planning, consequentially I will be posting more and more infrequently until, at best reckoning, mid-to-late September. Until now, I was pretty down about this turn of events as I like the community and would prefer to converse with you directly. I felt that as an individual (as opposed to a professional mouthpiece), I'd built up a certain amount of trust with the forum regulars here on ProBoards and that there was an ebb and flow to our dialogue. Without wanting to sound too melodramatic, I'm sorry to say that this has significantly dented that level of trust. Consequentially, I'll be far less inclined to provide similar levels of behind-the-scenes insight in future. I'm sorry, but that post was enormously disrespectful, especially given it was (a) out of context, (b) related to a discussion between Danjal and myself of which you were not a part and (c) was an incident over which we'd already come to a resolution. Anyway, I'm out - I need to focus on other things right now anyway. Matthew Allen and the mod team have been informed and will be conducting the bulk of the community relations for the next little bit.
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Aug 19, 2014 10:57:31 GMT
...and now you've gone and de-railed the thread that was set-up by a community member because you'd de-railed the other one. I've given you a one month time-out, following repeated warnings in the past. For the community's reference, here's my reasoning, which I shared with Aron along with his ban - Aron, you are free to discuss this with me via the Steam banning system:
Persistently arguing with the mod team, persistently disrupting and derailing threads, persistently posting unconstructive comments (which is *not* the same as negative or critical comments), persistently baiting the CMs
If the group here feel that this is unjustified or inappropriate, then I'd be only too happy to review this decision. But really Aron, what were you thinking?!?
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Post by colourfil on Aug 19, 2014 11:22:04 GMT
I've been following that thread over on Steam. Shortly before, dragonstryk72 had called you out on threatening to lock threads (for melodramatics, no less. Pot, have you met kettle?) a few posts before ARON's. It appears as if ARON was providing an example of said behavior. As an outside observer, (me) it came across (as does this post) as very defensive on your part as a CM. I also did not see it as out of context, nor did it include any 'sensitive' information that I could see.
Just my thoughts as an observer.
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Aug 19, 2014 11:32:30 GMT
I have the same thought as colourfil and in my Opinion ist not ok that a Cm Shares Ban reasons and if i see this right Aron is not even anymore on this Forum and serval threads got deleted is this ok? Nice try, Aron. Sock puppetry is possibly the lowest form of forum behaviour. |
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Post by rubgish on Aug 19, 2014 11:40:07 GMT
Yeah two new accounts created in the last 30 minutes just happen to comment on this thread with the same opinion? Seems legit to me...
Anyhow WRT to your move towards more strategic level of planning, will we get anyone still regularly interacting on the forums (both here and on steam/22cans forums)? I understand that actually planning stuff is important (and it'd be nice to have a longer term strategy that you could tell us about), but I'm sure you're aware of 'the great silence' that lasted about 4 months over end of last year/start of this one, and i'm wary that we might end up in a similar situation again.
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Post by colourfil on Aug 19, 2014 11:40:23 GMT
I just wanna add; I don't envy your position GK. I know the decision about the iOS release etc wasn't yours to make, and you were playing the hand you were dealt. I know I wouldn't be able to keep a cool head in your position.
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Aug 19, 2014 11:42:40 GMT
Yeah two new accounts created in the last 30 minutes just happen to comment on this thread with the same opinion? Seems legit to me... Anyhow WRT to your move towards more strategic level of planning, will we get anyone still regularly interacting on the forums (both here and on steam/22cans forums)? I understand that actually planning stuff is important (and it'd be nice to have a longer term strategy that you could tell us about), but I'm sure you're aware of 'the great silence' that lasted about 4 months over end of last year/start of this one, and i'm wary that we might end up in a similar situation again. Matthew, Conor and the mods will keep you abreast of any updates in the meantime, it's just that I've been directed to focus my attention elsewhere for the time being. Rest assured that I will do my utmost to normalise this state of affairs as swiftly as I possibly can. |
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Post by Danjal on Aug 19, 2014 12:26:44 GMT
Allow me to add that I personally have NO problems with what George did and how he did it.
I have previously accepted his apology even though I saw no need for it and understood his actions as he took them from a professional standpoint.
Ultimately, he was correct in the conclusions that further such remarks WOULD not benefit the discussion at hand which is why I left the matter alone.
Yes, the method was a bit rough, but I don't (solely) judge George on his methods...
Its a shame that the thread has been locked otherwise I'd be more than willing to add that I officially accepted George's apology and that I myself see no problems in his behaviour.
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Aug 19, 2014 12:46:37 GMT
Allow me to add that I personally have NO problems with what George did and how he did it. I have previously accepted his apology even though I saw no need for it and understood his actions as he took them from a professional standpoint. Ultimately, he was correct in the conclusions that further such remarks WOULD not benefit the discussion at hand which is why I left the matter alone. Yes, the method was a bit rough, but I don't (solely) judge George on his methods... Its a shame that the thread has been locked otherwise I'd be more than willing to add that I officially accepted George's apology and that I myself see no problems in his behaviour. Personally, I think further discussion just clouds the issue and makes it all about the personalities involved rather than the issue at hand. I think the Steam community have largely dropped the issue, and so should we. |
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Post by Qetesh on Aug 19, 2014 15:16:15 GMT
George did not do it, I did it at his request. I would remove anyones own word's if they requested it and had a viable reason.
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Post by Qetesh on Aug 19, 2014 15:51:53 GMT
I have the same thought as colourfil and in my Opinion ist not ok that a Cm Shares Ban reasons and if i see this right Aron is not even anymore on this Forum and serval threads got deleted is this ok? Nice try, Aron. Sock puppetry is possibly the lowest form of forum behaviour. @fraud your account was booted by the server for pro boards because of your handle. For the record, not one single thread got deleted. George deleted his own post and I deleted only the quotes from said post at his request. Also, imo, sock puppetry is truly a form of cowardice to any that choose to do it. |
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Post by nerdyvonnerdling on Aug 19, 2014 16:07:53 GMT
Yeah, that's all fairly petty and childish on Aron's part. More than justified in your actions, George.
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Post by stuhacking on Aug 19, 2014 16:13:10 GMT
George did not do it, I did it at his request. I would remove anyones own word's if they requested it and had a viable reason. Ah, I wondered why George was replying to a lot of comments with "...snip", and other people were having fascinating discussions around it! I thought his forum posting must have transcended mere words. :-D Too bad I missed it, but fully understand and agree with the reasons. Very sorry to see this having to happen on this forum. |
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Post by Qetesh on Aug 19, 2014 16:17:16 GMT
George did not do it, I did it at his request. I would remove anyones own word's if they requested it and had a viable reason. Ah, I wondered why George was replying to a lot of comments with "...snip", and other people were having fascinating discussions around it! I thought his forum posting must have transcended mere words. :-D Too bad I missed it, but fully understand and agree with the reasons. Very sorry to see this having to happen on this forum. It is the nature of the beast. I think every forum has a issue from time to time regarding similar matters. I feel overall this is an amazing forum and has outstanding members. We don't pull punches here for the most part and everyone seems to get along quite well. |
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Post by Danjal on Aug 19, 2014 17:40:11 GMT
George did not do it, I did it at his request. I would remove anyones own word's if they requested it and had a viable reason. Ah, I wondered why George was replying to a lot of comments with "...snip", and other people were having fascinating discussions around it! I thought his forum posting must have transcended mere words. :-D Too bad I missed it, but fully understand and agree with the reasons. Very sorry to see this having to happen on this forum. lol... this particular remark amuses me far more than it should. |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Aug 19, 2014 18:09:56 GMT
Ah, I wondered why George was replying to a lot of comments with "...snip", and other people were having fascinating discussions around it! I thought his forum posting must have transcended mere words. :-D Too bad I missed it, but fully understand and agree with the reasons. Very sorry to see this having to happen on this forum. lol... this particular remark amuses me far more than it should. "...snip" |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 18:11:50 GMT
lol... this particular remark amuses me far more than it should. "...snip" I see what you're saying 13thgeneral. But a bombshell like that couldn't possibly be taken very well. I suggest you flee the country, lest your safety be forfeit! |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Aug 19, 2014 18:26:11 GMT
lol... this particular remark amuses me far more than it should. "...snip" I can't believe you've said that. It changes my opinion quite dramatically! I don't quite know what to do with myself now. |
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Post by Qetesh on Aug 19, 2014 18:54:40 GMT
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Post by Aron on Aug 19, 2014 19:16:07 GMT
Yeah, that's all fairly petty and childish on Aron's part. More than justified in your actions, George. what is childish if i answer on a post in steam and took a Quote from this forums that didnt got deleted and please nobody should Forget that we are paing customer maybe for some 20€ is nothing but for me ist very much!! and said things should be said and it doesnt matter the consequences and Gk you Sound to much melodramatic you are right you have gained trust but as a normal Person instead as a Cm from 22cans you said at the beginning from your 22cans journey you will Change things you will do the things different then before, open hearted but it got even worse cause of the Actions from you and mathew 22cans lost all credibility only one Thing to mention : Matthew Allen [Entwickler] 1. Aug. um 19:50 Uhr Kickstarter cash from December funded the first 10 months of game development where it was then, as we all know, released on Early Access in September. Also, half a million wouldn't really sustain 22 people on three years of development. 22 cans be lucky that the Kickstarter Terms got changed with the old rules there were not able to make an mobile game with monetizing |
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