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Post by TheRealLeaderOfGodusgate on Jan 30, 2015 20:45:33 GMT
The old twentytoucans and new 22cans sites have this odd couplet on every page: 1. 22Cans Ltd, Guildford, Surrey, UK 2. Company No. 21545043543 1. That is not the registered address of 22Cans Ltd; it's not even a complete address. Registered Address: 1 St Andrew's Hill, London, EC4V 5BY. Source: wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfoThe Registered Address was changed in 2013. 2. Copy-pasting a limited company number and keywords like "company uk" normally brings up a lot of records, but this number doesn't work. Googling 21545043543 brings up a ton of pages at 22cans.com and nothing else. Pasting 21545043543 into Companies House produces an error because company numbers seem limited to about 8 digits. 22Cans Ltd Company number is actually 07955622. Source: wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfoIt is usual for UK companies to give their correct company number and registered address on all correspondence and publications. Not sure what laws are involved. 3. A number of articles from 2012 tell this 22Cans origin story: "Molyneux joins a new Guildford-based company, 22 Cans, which Molyneux has described as “something really amazing, scary and brave”. This new company was founded by Lionhead’s former chief technical officer Tim Rance, whose credits include Populous, Black & White, and Fable..." Source: www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/07/molyneux-leaving-lionhead-joining-22-cans/"...the British developer revealed his new role at company 22 Cans, founded by ex Lionhead tech head Tim Rance." Source: www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-07-molyneux-leaves-lionhead-to-join-indie-studio-22-cansChecks on "22Cans Ltd" or the correct Company No. "07955622" show a slightly different timeline: 22/02/2012 (cute) 22Cans Ltd Founded with 1 Director: Dimitri M. 15/04/2012 22Cans appoints 2nd Director, Peter Molyneux. 01/11/2012 22Cans appoints 3rd Director, Tim Rance. --end of anomalies -- 4. Have Gems saved the company? The next accounts are not due until 30/09/2015. The latest Annual Accounts submitted to Companies House for the year up to 31/12/2013 reported 'cash at bank' of £573,038, 'liabilities' worth £1,693,057, 'net worth' of £-710,022 and 'assets' worth £952,266. Latest Shareholders Equity Figure: £-710,022 (2013) Read more at: companycheck.co.uk/company/07955622/22CANS-LTD/"It's you Americans. There's something about nipples you hate. If this were Germany, we'd be romping around naked on the stage here."
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jan 31, 2015 1:12:34 GMT
Forgive me for being stupid, coz I'm just finishing up a party here and I'm pretty drunk and I'm not really aware of what's going on, but what is your point?
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Post by morsealworth on Jan 31, 2015 10:19:54 GMT
Forgive me for being stupid, coz I'm just finishing up a party here and I'm pretty drunk and I'm not really aware of what's going on, but what is your point? It's about giving false credentials of the company on the official site. By the way, this one is fraud without possibility of any excuse.
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Post by hardly on Jan 31, 2015 10:48:26 GMT
For me the interesting thing is understanding the key decision makers other than peter. It's interesting that peter has risked and lost his reputation but these people hide in the shadows. How much say are these faceless people having over design and resource allocation?
22cans is supposed to be an indie but it has all the corporate Klingons dragging it down.
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Post by Crumpy Six on Feb 13, 2015 15:26:03 GMT
I'm no 22Cans apologist but I think it's important to take a rational approach to this kind of information.
In the UK your registered business address does not need to be the premises from which you actually conduct your business. It's simply a correspondence address, and many small companies engage accountancy or law firms to provide registered office services. This is the case for 22Cans and the registered address in London. It is common practice in the UK and does not represent an "anomaly".
I'm unsure exactly what you're getting at here. 22Cans is a small, young company doesn't have a huge archive of records against its name. Companies House holds all the expected data about 22Cans as a company, and that's the primary source for publicly available documentation. I don't think it's reasonable to draw conclusions based on a quick scan of Google results.
The number 22Cans provided on their website looks like a DUNS number, which is different to the company number. It isn't actually the correct DUNS number for 22Cans, which may be a typo - I don't see them gaining themselves any kind of advantage by mis-stating this, as the registered company number can be found in an instant from Companies House.
Perhaps the story of incorporation has been slightly summarised for the benefit of the media, but I don't see anything suspect about this. Yes, the paperwork for incorporation was filed by Dimitri. This doesn't mean 22Cans wasn't operating before this in some capacity as a sole trader enterprise. Maybe Dimitri was asked to file the paperwork in advance to bag the company name and get administrative processes in motion. I don't really see what it matters.
I'm also interested to see the 2014 accounts, but it's very difficult to draw any kind of conclusions from the 2013 statements. Firstly, 22Cans was very much in the early stages of maturation at this point. Secondly, as a small company it was only required to file abbreviated accounts, therefore we don't know what their revenue or expenses were for the period. Dumping numbers down from the balance sheet with no context isn't particularly meaningful.
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Post by doh on Apr 30, 2015 18:23:36 GMT
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 1, 2015 7:46:03 GMT
The annual return isn't very interesting. It's just a statement of various bits of company information, such as the company address, the details of directors and what the company does. It does include a statement of share capital, which is £10825. You can see how these shares were stated as divided up here: www.endole.co.uk/company/07955622/22cans-ltd I don't think this has changed in any interesting way over the last year. It appears that just yesterday a new document got added - an appointment termination for director Timothy Rance. Tim Rance was one of the original founders of 22Cans, and also founded Lionhead Studios with Peter back in the 90s. He's listed on the 22Cans website as "technical director" but we don't hear much about him so I'm unsure what his day-to-day job at the studio might have been.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 1, 2015 9:40:28 GMT
Does that mean Tim Rance is leaving 22cans or stepping down as a director?
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 1, 2015 10:18:38 GMT
It could mean either. He will certainly be stepping down as director, but whether or not he'll also leave the company altogether is a different matter. It would be very interesting if he simply made the decision to step down as director whilst remaining an employee. Responsibilities of the company directors: www.gov.uk/running-a-limited-companyI definitely wouldn't want those responsibilities, if I worked for 22Cans.
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Post by doh on May 1, 2015 16:06:36 GMT
oh wow I hadn't seen that either. Seems like a lot of people have left 22cans now and if one of the owners leaves well...then...sign of the times!
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 2, 2015 9:38:28 GMT
Tim still has an interest in 22Cans, he's got a 9% shareholding. With his termination 22Cans is left with two directors, Peter Molyneux and Dimitri. I don't think either of this guys have a whole lot of business sense, since Dimitri is just a developer and PM makes one bad decision after another. Will be interesting to see what happens next.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 2, 2015 9:52:43 GMT
Dimitri is a director?!?
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 2, 2015 11:08:16 GMT
Yeah, it's a bit odd. Dimitri is listed on "About us" as a programmer. He has a 1% shareholding in 22Cans and is one of the studio co-founders, but at that stage in his career (according to his LinkedIn) his past experience had been two and a half years at Lionhead as a graduate programmer. In the community we've mostly heard his name connected with bottlenecks in development, since apparently he was the sole person capable of handling follower AI. There's probably some story behind all this - maybe Tim and Peter recognised him as a talent at Lionhead and were keen to have him on board.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 2, 2015 13:14:05 GMT
Interesting.
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 6, 2015 13:33:41 GMT
Well, Tim Rance has been removed from the 22Cans "About us" page therefore I think we can safely conclude that he has left the company.
Fascinating. Jack Attridge, who was nobody, left with an enormous fanfare and an interview in the Guardian. Tim Rance, who is an industry veteran, studio co-founder, company director and probably the biggest name at 22Cans second to PM himself, leaves quietly through the back door with nary a whisper.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 6, 2015 13:46:09 GMT
Now all we need is for mrdrpink to confirm this information. Or for someone else to do so.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 14:15:46 GMT
Well, Tim Rance has been removed from the 22Cans "About us" page therefore I think we can safely conclude that he has left the company. Fascinating. Jack Attridge, who was nobody, left with an enormous fanfare and an interview in the Guardian. Tim Rance, who is an industry veteran, studio co-founder, company director and probably the biggest name at 22Cans second to PM himself, leaves quietly through the back door with nary a whisper. Maybe he is someone who prefers to remain in the background.
By the way, does someone know: who are the other co founders of Jack's new "escapade" (company)?
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 6, 2015 14:21:16 GMT
Haha, Tim Rance? I have no idea but all will be revealed when they announce the company name, assuming they incorporate.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 14:40:28 GMT
Most likely on May 15 here www.indievelopment.nl/jack-attridge/
Would be the perfect expo for 22cans, too. They like stickers.
"Award"
"Stickers, stickers everywhere
The programme booklet of Indievelopment 2015 will have pages reserved especially for stickers collected at the Exposition floor. This way we aim to offer an extra opportunity for giving the public a nice reminder of their visit to your stand. Bring stickers if you want to use this opportunity to the fullest."
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Post by Godus Observed on May 6, 2015 17:43:33 GMT
Wow that's potentially big news if one of the 22cans founders has left his role in the day to day part of his job. Do we know why?
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