General Godus discussion

I'd say that it comes down to preference more so than whether something is inherently "good" or "bad".
Many will uphold Skyrim (or the Fallout and Elder Scrolls series in general) as great examples of RPG titles, that your freedom is what give the games their immersion.
While others will say that the games feel unfinished, buggy and that the lack of a proper direction to pull you along takes away from the immersion.

Similarly, there are those that uphold titles such as Call of Duty and Battlefield as masterworks, because the constantly shifting nature of multiplayer requires the player to be on edge and anticipate the sometimes random actions of their opponents.
While others will say that these titles get so boring because you are infinitely repeating the same maps with the same "basic strategy" over and over again.

And much like those games, F2P/mobile carries the same examples.
While some will worship Candy Crush, Cookie Clicker and similar titles for their elegant simplicity and they will play them for hours, days, weeks and months on end.
Others will get bored after one or two games and don't see the point at all.


Its not so much that the games are inherently good or bad, its more that good and bad are relative terms depending on your own perspective.
Yes, I openly admit that I dislike mobile titles and the design that goes on behind most of them.
I dispise the idea that game mechanics are hidden behind paywalls and that the game is gated with monetization in an attempt to wring money from the player.
It directly detracts from the enjoyment such a game provides and often results in a detrimental effect to the game itself since the focus is on making more money rather than making a better game.

I'm of the opinion that a good game will inherently retain its players better. And with that retention automatically come more sales should you offer fair monetization.
Just look at the Valve F2P titles. Heavy reliance on cosmetic monetization and a MASSIVE audience that plays it.
Understanding that your non-paying audience directly benefits you aswell by providing a community for your paying audience is key to understanding and obtaining more revenue.
Ignore your non-paying audience and your paying audience will eventually get bored and leave through the same door.

Good game design first - monetization as a layer around that. Your monetization gets adapted to your game. Rather than trying to adapt your game to the monetization.

Maaan. Am I nuts, or is Mazian really ridiculously technical about nearly every little post? I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't heavily disagree with the guy because they're fairly right on some points, but damn if they're not about as conversational as a brick through a window when you don't bother to directly address their all-important concerns. More problematic than that, however, is the willingness to sink any sort of discourse if you don't do so either, because you know, words and meanings and the great semantics game.

Seriously though, whenever you have to bend over backwards over semantics of all things just to get them to engage in discussion, you know something's gotta give.

It seems one of the new god powers is "comet". Is this different from meteor or did they just change the name?

I'm going to respond here because I don't like posting on stream:

steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/616187839179798956/#c616189106761189431

Well said Danjal.

I agree, well put Danjal.

I wish Aynen would stop trying so desperately to mould every forum discrepancy into a "couples therapy" session.
It's insulting, and while it's obvious that kind of thing is on the forefront of his mind/psyche right now... this sordid affair is anything but.
I feel bad for him that he wants so terribly to help the situation, but it feels like he's just obfuscating things with his whimsical suggestions and rose-tinted pleadings.

Give us what you promised, or give us our money back (p.s. a watered-down cow clicker is not what you promised us).

Simple.

Edit: Oh, by the by. When anyone from 22cans mentions that we consider them being nefarious/evil/monsters etc etc and don't think they can get anything done because they assume we feel this way... Play by your own rules 22cans. Everything isn't black and white. I can feel like you are often times completely disingenuous, lie, and obfuscate facts without thinking you are total monsters. A good person can be coerced to toe a morally bankrupt company's line for many reasons. 

I think it says a lot that I read obvious as obnoxious, just kind of subconsciously recognizing obvious would have been almost superfluous to that description.

22Cans great mistake was using kickstarter to bankroll a freemium game, whether they intended to do so at the start or not - its what they did. That, and the fact that they seem to be inept at management and planning (and with so many game breaking bugs and regressions constantly, as a developer myself, I don't have faith in the quality of the code base).

Did anyone try to contact Apple support about TOS violation? If no? I'd like to ask Danjal to do it. I trust you are strong enough to stay calm during the conversation without going berserk.

We have the distinct (dis)pleasure of witnessing this whole debacle from the beginning - so it's always interseting, as well as frustrating and a bit depressingly humorous, that with fresh blood, the cycle continues, and the same suggestions get repeated.
As an example of our case in point;
steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/616189742784790257/

It's just too heartbreaking to post in those threads anymore, or become "that guy" and become the defiler of the thread by informing them of the history.

I really am super demoraliszed nowadays; trying to stay positive about Godus is exhausting, as is always being critical.
I can't wait until Universim hits open beta...