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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 23, 2015 17:10:17 GMT
There was supposedly also at least one document collating all the non bug related feedback and suggestions. Perhaps Monkeythumbz can shed some light on this matter. I'll have a look around. But if it's anything like that - it's just information that's already publicly available  There was supposedly also at least one document collating all the non bug related feedback and suggestions. Perhaps Monkeythumbz can shed some light on this matter. Well looks like something else that has gone the way of the blackhole that is Peter. I don't know why but I feel I can hold Monkeythumbz at his word that he made it and forwarded it on. I, too, believe both Monkeythumbz and Matthew Allen when they say they had created such documents and forwarded them on to management. What I can't believe - but doesn't surprise me - is that such archives have apparently been relegated to the lost files bin. Although, I do see this happen often in business, that being poor documentation and filing of information, I am always baffled at the consistency of 22Cans inability to make good on promises. We were promised our feedback and suggestions were being catalogued and scrutinized, as per the guise of involvement set forth by both the Kickstarter and SEA mission statements. We can easily pull out all the threads where such things were stated; though, honestly, we'd rather not have to. Again. And I forsee some folks will likely take this as another failure to rattle on the bars, and wave about on the soapbox. I don't see why it wouldn't exist, and you may have to prod the soil a bit more to coax it forth. If not, unfortunately for you that won't go over too well. You might want to put your helmet and pads on and strap in for another bout of rapids. Good luck. |
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Post by mindless on Jun 23, 2015 17:32:38 GMT
At least they are being honest about not knowing anything about said spreadsheet. I much prefer that over having some BS excuse spun out of their asses, or getting the silent treatment.
It is however tragic that this document obviously didn't reach the people that it was intended to, or ended up junked without much though as to the repercussions, its yet another little bit of wasted community effort, such a shame.
Though this miss step took place under the old guard, and as such I don't have any trouble cutting the new guys slack on this.
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 23, 2015 18:44:52 GMT
Oh, I completely agree and understand there is often a lot of info that doesn't get handed off properly during an employee shuffle. It's quite common in fact.
Part of our purpose in this forum is to make sure such things don't go quietly into the darkness.
Now that they're aware of the potential existence of said document, tha at least puts that particular ball back into play.
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Post by Spiderweb on Jun 23, 2015 19:02:32 GMT
I'll have a look around. But if it's anything like that - it's just information that's already publicly available Well looks like something else that has gone the way of the blackhole that is Peter. I don't know why but I feel I can hold Monkeythumbz at his word that he made it and forwarded it on. I, too, believe both Monkeythumbz and Matthew Allen when they say they had created such documents and forwarded them on to management. What I can't believe - but doesn't surprise me - is that such archives have apparently been relegated to the lost files bin. Although, I do see this happen often in business, that being poor documentation and filing of information, I am always baffled at the consistency of 22Cans inability to make good on promises. We were promised our feedback and suggestions were being catalogued and scrutinized, as per the guise of involvement set forth by both the Kickstarter and SEA mission statements. We can easily pull out all the threads where such things were stated; though, honestly, we'd rather not have to. Again. And I forsee some folks will likely take this as another failure to rattle on the bars, and wave about on the soapbox. I don't see why it wouldn't exist, and you may have to prod the soil a bit more to coax it forth. If not, unfortunately for you that won't go over too well. You might want to put your helmet and pads on and strap in for another bout of rapids. Good luck. Simple search for spreadsheet on steam.... steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/search/?q=Spreadsheet&gidforum=864977564146051698&include_deleted=1 |
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Post by hardly on Jun 23, 2015 19:27:08 GMT
There was supposedly also at least one document collating all the non bug related feedback and suggestions. Perhaps Monkeythumbz can shed some light on this matter. Well looks like something else that has gone the way of the blackhole that is Peter. I don't know why but I feel I can hold Monkeythumbz at his word that he made it and forwarded it on. I understood that reports were being written on a regular (weekly?) basis that summarised our feedback and forwarded to peter and Jack. This was necessary because peter didn't read the forums and hence needed our input to be summarised and shared with him. We've asked for a long time to see those summaries. |
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Post by colin22cans on Jun 23, 2015 20:54:17 GMT
I'll have a look around. But if it's anything like that - it's just information that's already publicly available Well looks like something else that has gone the way of the blackhole that is Peter. I don't know why but I feel I can hold Monkeythumbz at his word that he made it and forwarded it on. I, too, believe both Monkeythumbz and Matthew Allen when they say they had created such documents and forwarded them on to management. What I can't believe - but doesn't surprise me - is that such archives have apparently been relegated to the lost files bin. Although, I do see this happen often in business, that being poor documentation and filing of information, I am always baffled at the consistency of 22Cans inability to make good on promises. We were promised our feedback and suggestions were being catalogued and scrutinized, as per the guise of involvement set forth by both the Kickstarter and SEA mission statements. We can easily pull out all the threads where such things were stated; though, honestly, we'd rather not have to. Again. And I forsee some folks will likely take this as another failure to rattle on the bars, and wave about on the soapbox. I don't see why it wouldn't exist, and you may have to prod the soil a bit more to coax it forth. If not, unfortunately for you that won't go over too well. You might want to put your helmet and pads on and strap in for another bout of rapids. Good luck. Woah there! I don't yet know all the locations of all the files gathered and created over the last two years. I'll have a look tomorrow and see what I can find - but please don't jump to any conclusions without me stating the facts. Now I can't personally speak for past staff members but I'm sure everything that was created still exists. I literally only looked for a couple minutes in between tasks earlier today. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 23, 2015 21:27:57 GMT
Relax colin22cans, we haven't even gathered the wood yet. Then we still have to stack it, forge a proper spit, find an ignition source and all that. |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 23, 2015 21:34:27 GMT
colin22cans nope, too late. HOLD HIS FEET TO THE FLAME!! Just kidding. I meant to include a bit about giving you time and so forth. Sometimes I miss a thing or two in my ramblings, especially when typing on my tiny mobile screen. I trust you'll put forth the effort, and wasn't trying to rattle chains just yet. My apologies if that seemed to be jumping the fence on conspiracy.
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Post by Crumpy Six on Jun 23, 2015 21:53:12 GMT
If you were in the position of CEO and/or in charge of PR for 22Cans and you were faced with the godus community as it is, how would you approach it and what kind of actions would you plan to take? I haven't read everyone's answers yet. If I'm the new CEO I wrap it up quick. I tick off the easy kickstarter promises and skip the hard ones. I put the decision down to new management, scapegoat peter and his big vision - he was just too creative and visionary - unexpected development delays and I trump the new IP and move on. That's the easy road. The hard road I'd split the mobile and PC. I kick the mobile version into microtransaction maintenance - token effort to keep it stable and keep what money there is coming in. For PC I start developing GODUS 2 and everyone with GODUS gets a free copy. GODUS2 will be a single player sandbox game that encourages creativity. It would include many of my previously stated ideas such as terrain specialisation and would either use procedural generation or a start from an island in an empty ocean approach. That's what I'd do. This. Except I would go one step further and not even attempt to meet the Kickstarter promises. 22Cans already got away with that (same with the Early Access advertising) so why waste time and money on it? There's an active PC community but really, how many of us are there who are actually paying attention? 20? 100? However many it is, it's a tiny fraction of the potential mobile market. Those guys have no idea. Every day, a bunch of kids get their first iPhone/tablet, browse games and find Godus. Kerching! Yes, there has been some bad press. But like all bad press, once the moment is gone everyone forgets and no one cares any more. Maybe the gaming journalists will pick over the corpse of Godus a few more times, but at this point it's old news and there are fresher wreckages to explore. At most it will be mentioned in articles about the darker side of Kickstarter and Early Access titles. Don't misunderstand me, this is not the outcome I want. But if I was given 22Cans and told to improve profits, this is what I would do. |
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Post by colin22cans on Jun 24, 2015 15:44:23 GMT
colin22cans nope, too late. HOLD HIS FEET TO THE FLAME!! Just kidding. I meant to include a bit about giving you time and so forth. Sometimes I miss a thing or two in my ramblings, especially when typing on my tiny mobile screen. I trust you'll put forth the effort, and wasn't trying to rattle chains just yet. My apologies if that seemed to be jumping the fence on conspiracy. Found it. Pitchforks down everyone. Feedback was collected by the Community team from the 22cans forum, Pro boards, Steam, Facebook, Twitter..etc and tracked internally in a spreadsheet. I don't think it's really been added to since GK/MA worked on the CM team at 22cans. You can see that they did in fact list the amount of times a community desired feature was mentioned, had been acted upon or not, how essential the tracked featured was considered and what category the suggestion/feature would come under.. etc. The tab cut off from the right hand side of the image is just the link to where the information was collected from. That's all it is though - just an internal list of public suggestions collated in the format that the community management members preferred at the time. It's currently not applicable to the Godus combat development. I take it this is the first you've actually seen of this? Hopefully me delivering this proves that I'm not here to hide anything or that this has " gone the way of the blackhole that is Peter".   |
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Post by totallytim on Jun 24, 2015 16:38:41 GMT
Am I right to assume that the actual gameplay suggestions can be found a few scrolls down and aren't missing?
You know, the things everyone mentions when he/she tries to explain what's wrong with Godus.
*Pitchfork in standby mode*
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Post by colin22cans on Jun 24, 2015 16:48:32 GMT
Am I right to assume that the actual gameplay suggestions can be found a few scrolls down and aren't missing? You know, the things everyone mentions when he/she tries to explain what's wrong with Godus. *Pitchfork in standby mode* The list has numerous gameplay, user interface and theme suggestions. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 24, 2015 16:53:30 GMT
Am I right to assume that the actual gameplay suggestions can be found a few scrolls down and aren't missing? You know, the things everyone mentions when he/she tries to explain what's wrong with Godus. *Pitchfork in standby mode* The list has numerous gameplay, user interface and theme suggestions. You know, this forum DOES offer the ability to create tables.  |
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Post by colin22cans on Jun 24, 2015 16:57:04 GMT
The list has numerous gameplay, user interface and theme suggestions. You know, this forum DOES offer the ability to create tables. Oh yeah, so it does! |
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Post by Spiderweb on Jun 24, 2015 17:30:09 GMT
Am I right to assume that the actual gameplay suggestions can be found a few scrolls down and aren't missing? You know, the things everyone mentions when he/she tries to explain what's wrong with Godus. *Pitchfork in standby mode* The list has numerous gameplay, user interface and theme suggestions. Does this mean you'll make all of it available? Would be interesting to read, however irrelevant. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jun 25, 2015 2:49:48 GMT
The list has numerous gameplay, user interface and theme suggestions. You know, this forum DOES offer the ability to create tables. Although, to be fair, that screenshot's of a Google Spreadsheets file, so a link would be far, far easier...Unless you're trying to mess with him. =P |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 4:23:27 GMT
I want to see on that document what they considered "High" ranking suggestions.  |
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Post by eddiemonsta on Jun 25, 2015 18:56:52 GMT
The list has numerous gameplay, user interface and theme suggestions. Does this mean you'll make all of it available? Would be interesting to read, however irrelevant. just wanted to bump spiderweb's question as i am (and i'm fairly sure, we are) in full agreement with the sentiment expressed therein. |
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Post by colin22cans on Jun 25, 2015 19:49:21 GMT
Does this mean you'll make all of it available? Would be interesting to read, however irrelevant. just wanted to bump spiderweb's question as i am (and i'm fairly sure, we are) in full agreement with the sentiment expressed therein. Whoops, forgot to come back to this. Afraid not, I'm not in the habit of giving out internal documents! |
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Post by Spiderweb on Jun 25, 2015 19:54:54 GMT
just wanted to bump spiderweb's question as i am (and i'm fairly sure, we are) in full agreement with the sentiment expressed therein. Whoops, forgot to come back to this. Afraid not, I'm not in the habit of giving out internal documents! You mean you teased us with a screenshot but we aren't privy to what was suggested by us and collated/commented on by you (as in 22cans). You can't redact it just to show the list? Even that would be interesting. |
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