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Post by julians on May 20, 2014 11:47:16 GMT
Oh please don't send her one. I can't stand her hardcore fanboyism. >.< Muir is male now (I think... his twitter avatar has a bit o' chin scruff anyways...) Did we ever decide on which way it is? Maybe with the recent theme of pools on official Backers forum we should make a pool about that.  |
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Lord Ba'al
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I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 20, 2014 11:58:45 GMT
This is something that bothers me the most in the current situation. Those bans were absolutely unjustified. Apparently Steam has certain rules in place that allow for these bans. In this case I'd say 22Cans is enforcing those rules that were put in place by Steam. But it is pretty convenient for those rules to exist. I guess we could fault Steam for that. But they probably had a good reason for creating those rules. That said I think 22Cans are not doing themselves any favours by enforcing those rules in this way. They could be more lenient and issue warnings first for example. |
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Post by Tau on May 20, 2014 12:04:10 GMT
Apparently Steam has certain rules in place that allow for these bans. In this case I'd say 22Cans is enforcing those rules that were put in place by Steam. But it is pretty convenient for those rules to exist. I guess we could fault Steam for that. But they probably had a good reason for creating those rules. That said I think 22Cans are not doing themselves any favours by enforcing those rules in this way. They could be more lenient and issue warnings first for example. In my opinion, locking those threads can maybe(!) justified with the steam rules, but those bans not. |
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 20, 2014 12:05:20 GMT
I don't think any of the bans/locks are unjustified, people are just reacting to them because of the state of community relations at the moment.
Remember a few months ago, everyone got pissed off because Muir was locking threads and banning people all over the shop? He agreed to stop for a while and everyone loved it (he was true to his word, IIRC). Now that they're trying to tighten up the rules a bit people are flipping out.
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Lord Ba'al
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Posts: 6,260
Pledge level: Half a Partner
I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
GOG: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 20, 2014 12:07:53 GMT
It is only natural for people to freak out when they feel someone is attempting to silence them.
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 20, 2014 12:11:10 GMT
I understand why people are flipping out but I still don't think it's necessarily an appropriate response, or that the mods aren't justified in thread-locks and temp bans. I seem to remember that Muir only bans people for a few days at a time so it's hardly a big deal.
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splitterwind
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I don't like: Ignoring a unpleasant question or answering with something that is only loosely related or way to vague to actually answer something. Mods that Cherry-pick in discussions. Banning people for minor offenses.
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Post by splitterwind on May 20, 2014 12:22:24 GMT
seem to remember that Muir only bans people for a few days at a time so it's hardly a big deal. Its still extreme if it was a first time offence. Usually people get a warning or even multiple warnings before they get a ban of 1day, 3 days, a week ... Starting a petition doesn't sound very offensive to me, I think that a warning and thread lock had been justice enough. A temp ban for it seems excessive. |
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 20, 2014 12:46:50 GMT
I think the mods are getting frustrated and wound up by seeing the same things all the time and want to make examples of people.
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 20, 2014 12:52:44 GMT
I think the mods are getting frustrated and wound up by seeing the same things all the time and want to make examples of people. To be honest, it was genuinely motivated by me receiving a few messages ( like this one on Twitter) about how people felt that the atmosphere on the Steam forums was spoiling discussion of the game for its fans. So, I made the call to enforce the rules. Not Muir, or Matthew Allen, or MrDrPink - me. I then went off to collate and deliver some community feedback to the team and was about to head back onto the roadmap when things blew up and I had to step in directly. So, it wasn't really about making examples of specific people as much as enforcing Steam's code of conduct. |
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Post by julians on May 20, 2014 13:01:10 GMT
I think the mods are getting frustrated and wound up by seeing the same things all the time and want to make examples of people. To be honest, it was genuinely motivated by me receiving a few messages ( like this one on Twitter) about how people felt that the atmosphere on the Steam forums was spoiling discussion of the game for its fans. So, I made the call to enforce the rules. Not Muir, or Matthew Allen, or MrDrPink - me. I then went off to collate and deliver some community feedback to the team and was about to head back onto the roadmap when things blew up and I had to step in directly. So, it wasn't really about making examples of specific people as much as enforcing Steam's code of conduct. Was that message before or after lock and ban of petition threads (which have already been up for 8 hours)? The steam modd took a deep dive shortly after the bans/locks. On a side note, even though Steam threads seem to deal a lot with moderation and locking and all negative I remember a time not so long ago when it was a lot more violent. On a different side note: if people had something to say about the game they wouldn't be talking about threads. |
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I don't like: Ignoring a unpleasant question or answering with something that is only loosely related or way to vague to actually answer something. Mods that Cherry-pick in discussions. Banning people for minor offenses.
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Post by splitterwind on May 20, 2014 13:03:02 GMT
By banning people for a first time offense while the punishments also seem absolutely arbitrary?
Some that started a thread that got locked because its against the rules got banned, others not. Some of them participating got banned, others not.
Isn't it normal to warn people at least once, often times 3 times for minor offenses before a (1 or 3 day) ban is rolled out? (I'd say starting a petition for the first time is a minor offense).
And the reasoning is that some fans disliked the atmosphere?
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 20, 2014 13:03:46 GMT
Was that message before or after lock and ban of petition threads (which have already been up for 8 hours)? That message was at around 10:30am this morning UK time. |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 20, 2014 13:04:52 GMT
And the reasoning is that some fans disliked the atmosphere? Yes. The justification was repeated instances of Steam's forum rules being broken. Like it or not, but enforcing the Steam forum rules is totally legitimate. |
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splitterwind
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I don't like: Ignoring a unpleasant question or answering with something that is only loosely related or way to vague to actually answer something. Mods that Cherry-pick in discussions. Banning people for minor offenses.
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Post by splitterwind on May 20, 2014 13:05:22 GMT
Fans of Godus are also free to argue with everyone who dislikes Godus or 22cans. If 22cans would do better they probably wouldn't be the minority that has a hard time arguing.
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splitterwind
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I don't like: Ignoring a unpleasant question or answering with something that is only loosely related or way to vague to actually answer something. Mods that Cherry-pick in discussions. Banning people for minor offenses.
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Post by splitterwind on May 20, 2014 13:05:46 GMT
And the reasoning is that some fans disliked the atmosphere? Yes. The justification was repeated instances of Steam's forum rules being broken. Is that some form of doublespeak? |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 20, 2014 13:07:10 GMT
Fans of Godus are also free to argue with everyone who dislikes Godus or 22cans. If 22cans would do better they probably wouldn't be the minority that has a hard time arguing. I agree, people are allowed to argue from whatever position they like. If, however, you're doing so via the Steam forums, then you obviously need to adhere to the Steam forum rules. |
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I don't like: Ignoring a unpleasant question or answering with something that is only loosely related or way to vague to actually answer something. Mods that Cherry-pick in discussions. Banning people for minor offenses.
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Post by splitterwind on May 20, 2014 13:09:44 GMT
So I ask for the reason some were banned and others not for the same offense without a warning in the first place.
You answer thats because some fans disliked the atmosphere.
I ask if thats the case and if that isn't arbitrary, you answer thats because you are enforcing the steam rules.
And than you agree with me that anyone can argue regardless of the atmosphere (positive or negative)
You are giving answers that are very loosely related and don't answer anything at all.
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Post by julians on May 20, 2014 13:10:10 GMT
Fans of Godus are also free to argue with everyone who dislikes Godus or 22cans. If 22cans would do better they probably wouldn't be the minority that has a hard time arguing. I agree, people are allowed to argue from whatever position they like. If, however, you're doing so via the Steam forums, then you obviously need to adhere to the Steam forum rules. Can you quote which of the Steam forum rules were actually broken? I can see how 22Cans of Steam forum were broken but they differ a lot in certain key areas. i.e 'No petitions'. |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 20, 2014 13:10:14 GMT
Yes. The justification was repeated instances of Steam's forum rules being broken. Is that some form of doublespeak? No. IIRC English isn't your first language, so allow me to explain. People had complained that they didn't like the atmosphere on the Steam forum. Lots of people seemed to be breaching the Steam forum rules. I thought that if we enforced the rules, then maybe we'd begin to foster a better atmosphere (or at least a more responsible one). So I asked the mods to enforce the rules. Please let me know if you want additional clarification. |
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splitterwind
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I don't like: Ignoring a unpleasant question or answering with something that is only loosely related or way to vague to actually answer something. Mods that Cherry-pick in discussions. Banning people for minor offenses.
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Post by splitterwind on May 20, 2014 13:12:31 GMT
Two questions:
Why not warn people for the first time offense and why are some banned and others not that seemingly did the same thing?
Also, what about other trolls like denny crane that are definitely bad for the atmosphere as well?
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