PCGamer.com: New 22 Cans CEO says Peter Molyneux "f**ked up"

We've now heard a litany of "I fucked up!" and "I'm sorry!" that it is starting to sound like "Haha, fuck you, we're going to get away with this fraud."

So far, the "reboot" of 22cans has been going on the same track.

So what is going to keep this from becoming a repeat of previously, with the difference being THEN Mr. I'm Sorry said that money was being put aside, and NOW 22cans saying "We don't have any money set aside for Bryan because there is no God of Gods in the game, but we'll think of something really cool" - both times saying that they really care.

One is now apparently a lie, the other might as well.

22cans got off really lucky that it wasn't someone else who won that "prize" of being 22cans' publicity cutout, such as one of those "real gamers" that PM speaks about in all of his keynote speeches of relevance decades ago but has no interest in developing for anymore.

Or 22cans, since they can't even define what is to be a PC product.

All this is, is 22cans yet again going "We fucked up!" (nothing new at all) while yet again really not saying much about how they plan to fix anything aside from expecting "I'm Sorry!" "We're doing something but have fuck-all for plans we can tell anyone!" and mea culpa to serve as any kind of actual resolution to the mistakes they wrongfully enriched their company with.  Oh, and the apparent white elephant of Combat.

So until 22cans, I dunno, ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING...then it's all just more empty words and dodgy assurances.

Could 22 cans be handling this better, absolutely.



However at least they are talking to him, maybe bryan is actually happy with what they are now discussing, as we haven't heard from him its hard to say what his position is on all this, and as its his prize, he should be the one with the ultimate opinion of if he is being rewarded correctly, or getting screwed over.

Would love to have his opinion about it, but as he has never been involved in the community from what I can tell, maybe he really couldn't care less, and they could offer him something pretty pathetic, which would still be good enough to him.

Given 22 cans history to date, I can't help but suspect that bryans final prize (should it ever arrive) will fall far short of life changing.

I'm of the mind that while they're paying of Bryan they should refund all Kickstarter backers who are sick of this piss take...

Trail, as in a path that gets walked all over, yes, that does indeed sound like something they would do
(and are doing already).

They have an excuse for that - since there is no God of Gods then they don't have to pay Bryan anything as an attempt for life-changing disappointment from a supposed industry legend and the studio hanging on his reputation.

Just as soon as they've figured out a similarly weak excuse to offer to the Kickstarter backers, along with those given clear bait and switch that goes FAR beyond "Early Access" excuses, then I'm sure we'll hear about 22cans being arsed to even address that matter.  They know about these people, along with those on the only digital distribution for the PC game, so the attention solely to the human marketing cardboard figure compared to all the backers says a lot as well.

Oh, let me figure it out for 22cans:  "We f***ed up.  I'm sorry."

With f***-all else done.

So...Since it seems like we need to ask straightup, colin22cans or simon22cans, can you speak to just wtf Peter was on about when he was explaining the whole accrual of funds for God of Gods? Not that I don't believe what you're saying now, but some clarity on what exactly he was talking about there would be nice. Was this Peter doing his usual Peter thing and spouting off ideas for plans off the cuff or just what was happening there?

So honesty is you pointing to upvotes as community approval, even when developer departure announcements received similar amounts of upvotes? Honesty is you then locking the above update topic(only one ever locked) to avoid responding to Digital Jam's post about the "upvote" nonsense being bandied around? Honesty is hiding the Eurogamer article thread in the Kickstarter subforum? 

I really don't think we're asking that much of you, Colin. Can you explain why Peter Molyneux, who I'm sure you can ask about this, explicitly said that revenue was being accrued for Bryan? Just to be super-duper clear, the question isn't "What did Simon say and what's the company line?", it's "Why did Peter Molyneux explicitly tell a reporter that revenue was being accrued for Bryan?". 


Oh, almost forgot. Colin, this post by Digital Jam in reply to one of your messages really requires a response. Incidentally, I believe this is the first second third fourth fifth sixth time somebody has asked you about it. It's easy to remember, it's the one that you locked the Combat Progress thread for to avoid answering.

I think the discussion is starting to float away from the core topic a bit too much now.

Let's be clear you are choosing not to pay any money to Bryan.

Your argument is that the terms of the contract don't require you to do so since he has not assumed the role of God of gods.

Legally you are correct but morally you are wrong since Bryan (and in fact everyone who played curiosity) was promised a life changing prize. They weren't promised a life changing prize delayed indefinitely. Once the cube was opened Bryan was promised a cut of the revenue. Now a reasonable person who have assumed this would occur during the golden phase of godus not when all the blood had been sucked dry. It's like 100 vampires going to town on a person and then throwing the person to another vampire and saying "see I told you you'd get to suck his blood". It's a technicality and it's a dirty one.

You are answering the wrong questions:

Has Bryan's life been changed for the better? No.

Why not? We haven't implemented God of gods

What effect has that had? He can't experience the joy of that role and he can't be paid the money he thought he had won.

That is shit, how can we make that right (take the reality of the prize as close to what a reasonable person would have understood it to be)? Pay Bryan a lot of money.

If you focus on how to make Bryan whole and not the technicalities of the agreement with Bryan you come to a very different answer to the one you are arriving at. Further your obligation is to everyone who clicked on curiosity, not just Bryan. If you stiff Bryan, you stiff everyone.

As I said in a previous post somewhere you are not paying Bryan because you don't want to pay Bryan, not because you can't pay Bryan. This is an important point.

I'm not trying to make you pay Bryan, I just want you to know that I think your logic for not paying Bryan is bullshit and immoral. You'll do what you want.

None of that is personal by the way. It might have sounded a bite hateful. The board will decide these matters, they are above even Simons pay grade.