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Post by Drake on Nov 3, 2015 19:52:09 GMT
So, lets recap.
Numerous threads of "Where's Dave, Where's the community manager", etc... come up"
After a month of asking, it's discovered that community manager position at 22 cons (aka 22 cans) is vacant, and Dave is not employed by 22 cans anymore.
Dave sends an e-mail, or by whatever means, his "Good bye" message is posted on the forum.
Dave: "Good buy, contract with 22 cans ended, doing other jobs. Been a wild rollercoaster ride, great community, learned a lot, etc etc etc...."
Bannee #1: "Good buy Dave, wish you luck, been a wild ride. Do great... etc etc"
Bannee #2: "Hey Dave, wish you the best. Yes, a wild ride... whoooo. Have fun, etc etc etc"
Bannee #3: "Good buy Dave, yes, very wild ride...."
Dave slams the door on the way out. All the people just looked around, including those Dave banned, are still banned, and everyone just had send their warm wishes and regards to a person that banned them and that did a shit poor job managing the community.
Is this some variation of the Stockholm Syndrome, or have the internet wasted people's brains so much that everyone just automatically pipes in with warm wishes due to any change of person's status, and "Oh that sucks so much, I'm sorry" due to any person that posts a misfortune.
I wonder how many people will post "Oh, I wish you well, get better", just because that's what they are conditioned to do, if Kim Jong-un tweets that he got cancer.
This is sick.
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Post by 13thGeneral on Nov 3, 2015 20:24:11 GMT
Because carrying hate in the heart damages the soul. Its just common courtesy, and a fairly professional regard, to an individual that hasn't really harmed anyone - at least not physically - that did a job and is moving on in their life/career. It does nobody any good to be rude in that instance. That doesn't, however, mean that they're off the hook for past infractions, indiscretions, etc. All that is on the table, but obviously there is nothing Dave can do about it now. So we need to redirect it onto the next in line that can actually do something, and take responsibility; simon22cans & colin22cans |
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Post by Deth on Nov 3, 2015 20:29:26 GMT
I am sorry if anyone was banned. I was not and very rarely go on the steam forums and can not comment on the banning. As 13th said Hate damages one soul and I can hold only so much hate. That is filled by 22 cans as a whole and not for an individual but for Peter as the architect and even that I do not wish him any personal harm. Anyone else is just a worker bee trying to get buy. Most of which I am pretty sure probably never even been on these or the steam forums and have no idea of the community hate.
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Post by Aynen on Nov 3, 2015 20:46:32 GMT
So, lets recap. Numerous threads of "Where's Dave, Where's the community manager", etc... come up" After a month of asking, it's discovered that community manager position at 22 cons (aka 22 cans) is vacant, and Dave is not employed by 22 cans anymore. Dave sends an e-mail, or by whatever means, his "Good bye" message is posted on the forum. Dave: "Good buy, contract with 22 cans ended, doing other jobs. Been a wild rollercoaster ride, great community, learned a lot, etc etc etc...." Bannee #1: "Good buy Dave, wish you luck, been a wild ride. Do great... etc etc" Bannee #2: "Hey Dave, wish you the best. Yes, a wild ride... whoooo. Have fun, etc etc etc" Bannee #3: "Good buy Dave, yes, very wild ride...." Dave slams the door on the way out. All the people just looked around, including those Dave banned, are still banned, and everyone just had send their warm wishes and regards to a person that banned them and that did a shit poor job managing the community. Is this some variation of the Stockholm Syndrome, or have the internet wasted people's brains so much that everyone just automatically pipes in with warm wishes due to any change of person's status, and "Oh that sucks so much, I'm sorry" due to any person that posts a misfortune. I wonder how many people will post "Oh, I wish you well, get better", just because that's what they are conditioned to do, if Kim Jong-un tweets that he got cancer. This is sick. Just to set the record straight; Dave didn't ban you. I did. |
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Post by totallytim on Nov 3, 2015 20:55:08 GMT
I wouldn't exactly compare Dave to KJU, but I mostly agree with Drake. I also edited my post slightly in the thread in question to reflect that. Dave was the CM of 22cans and was FULLY aware of the situation at the company. He was responsible for censoring the community and the forum bans (no matter which orange lackey actually pushed the button). This thread was made under his watch. And lastly he did disappear 22cans style without saying a word. Even if he was just trying to get by, he made some decisions and somehow made an overall bad situation even worse. Common courtesy or not, sending him off in to the sunset like nothing happened, does seem wrong. |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Nov 3, 2015 21:15:52 GMT
I wouldn't exactly compare Dave to KJU, but I mostly agree with Drake. I also edited my post slightly in the thread in question to reflect that. Dave was the CM of 22cans and was FULLY aware of the situation at the company. He was responsible for censoring the community and the forum bans (no matter which orange lackey actually pushed the button). This thread was made under his watch. And lastly he did disappear 22cans style without saying a word. Even if he was just trying to get by, he made some decisions and somehow made an overall bad situation even worse. Common courtesy or not, sending him off in to the sunset like nothing happened, does seem wrong. Fair enough. I certainly don't disagree too greatly on that opinion. I simply held my tongue, for now. |
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Post by Parody on Nov 4, 2015 2:53:24 GMT
Welp... at least Aynen is capable of setting the record straight on SOMETHING.  |
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Post by paulusian on Nov 4, 2015 5:01:57 GMT
So, lets recap. Numerous threads of "Where's Dave, Where's the community manager", etc... come up" After a month of asking, it's discovered that community manager position at 22 cons (aka 22 cans) is vacant, and Dave is not employed by 22 cans anymore. Dave sends an e-mail, or by whatever means, his "Good bye" message is posted on the forum. Dave: "Good buy, contract with 22 cans ended, doing other jobs. Been a wild rollercoaster ride, great community, learned a lot, etc etc etc...." Bannee #1: "Good buy Dave, wish you luck, been a wild ride. Do great... etc etc" Bannee #2: "Hey Dave, wish you the best. Yes, a wild ride... whoooo. Have fun, etc etc etc" Bannee #3: "Good buy Dave, yes, very wild ride...." Dave slams the door on the way out. All the people just looked around, including those Dave banned, are still banned, and everyone just had send their warm wishes and regards to a person that banned them and that did a shit poor job managing the community. Is this some variation of the Stockholm Syndrome, or have the internet wasted people's brains so much that everyone just automatically pipes in with warm wishes due to any change of person's status, and "Oh that sucks so much, I'm sorry" due to any person that posts a misfortune. I wonder how many people will post "Oh, I wish you well, get better", just because that's what they are conditioned to do, if Kim Jong-un tweets that he got cancer. This is sick. Just to set the record straight; Dave didn't ban you. I did. Your trolling is just as pathological as the lying Peter has done... |
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Post by hardly on Nov 4, 2015 5:27:15 GMT
So, lets recap. Numerous threads of "Where's Dave, Where's the community manager", etc... come up" After a month of asking, it's discovered that community manager position at 22 cons (aka 22 cans) is vacant, and Dave is not employed by 22 cans anymore. Dave sends an e-mail, or by whatever means, his "Good bye" message is posted on the forum. Dave: "Good buy, contract with 22 cans ended, doing other jobs. Been a wild rollercoaster ride, great community, learned a lot, etc etc etc...." Bannee #1: "Good buy Dave, wish you luck, been a wild ride. Do great... etc etc" Bannee #2: "Hey Dave, wish you the best. Yes, a wild ride... whoooo. Have fun, etc etc etc" Bannee #3: "Good buy Dave, yes, very wild ride...." Dave slams the door on the way out. All the people just looked around, including those Dave banned, are still banned, and everyone just had send their warm wishes and regards to a person that banned them and that did a shit poor job managing the community. Is this some variation of the Stockholm Syndrome, or have the internet wasted people's brains so much that everyone just automatically pipes in with warm wishes due to any change of person's status, and "Oh that sucks so much, I'm sorry" due to any person that posts a misfortune. I wonder how many people will post "Oh, I wish you well, get better", just because that's what they are conditioned to do, if Kim Jong-un tweets that he got cancer. This is sick. Just to set the record straight; Dave didn't ban you. I did. I have to say Aynen that is a great response, you owned that shit. Just to be clear I'm not commenting on the appropriateness of the ban, I just like you coming out and owning the shit out of it. |
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Post by hardly on Nov 4, 2015 5:38:09 GMT
So, lets recap. Numerous threads of "Where's Dave, Where's the community manager", etc... come up" After a month of asking, it's discovered that community manager position at 22 cons (aka 22 cans) is vacant, and Dave is not employed by 22 cans anymore. Dave sends an e-mail, or by whatever means, his "Good bye" message is posted on the forum. Dave: "Good buy, contract with 22 cans ended, doing other jobs. Been a wild rollercoaster ride, great community, learned a lot, etc etc etc...." Bannee #1: "Good buy Dave, wish you luck, been a wild ride. Do great... etc etc" Bannee #2: "Hey Dave, wish you the best. Yes, a wild ride... whoooo. Have fun, etc etc etc" Bannee #3: "Good buy Dave, yes, very wild ride...." Dave slams the door on the way out. All the people just looked around, including those Dave banned, are still banned, and everyone just had send their warm wishes and regards to a person that banned them and that did a shit poor job managing the community. Is this some variation of the Stockholm Syndrome, or have the internet wasted people's brains so much that everyone just automatically pipes in with warm wishes due to any change of person's status, and "Oh that sucks so much, I'm sorry" due to any person that posts a misfortune. I wonder how many people will post "Oh, I wish you well, get better", just because that's what they are conditioned to do, if Kim Jong-un tweets that he got cancer. This is sick. I believe as one of the people banned and one of the people who wished Dave well I'm well placed to comment on this issue.
First of all its not a given that Dave banned me, he may have just protected the identity of the person who did. Whatever the case, I think he was wrong to not review the ban, refuse to defend the ban, and ultimately that left him exposed when Simon effectively confirmed that they were wrong to issue bans of that severity.
This incident aside, Dave is a person who was doing a job. My understanding is he had a very junior role at 22Cans and when George left he was asked to step into the CM shoes. I imagine that he was one of the furthest in the company from the decision making discussions, he may not have even been employed in the early days where promises were made a broken. As such, he bears no responsibility for the state of GODUS and 22Cans.
So given all that why wouldn't we wish him well? Being banned pissed me off at the time and it was a bad decision but if hated everyone who made a small and largely irrelevant mistake, it would be a sad world.
So I hope Dave learnt something from the experience and that his future is bright and happy.
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Post by Drake on Nov 4, 2015 6:11:50 GMT
So, here's how the real world works. Show me something positive that he had done that deserves praise, and a job well done pat on the back, and a reference to his future employer. Show me where the community is for the worse of him leaving.
This is exactly why Molyneux can lie time after time, and con people time after time. Because there always people who will absolutely refuse to hold others accountable for their actions. They agree with placing blame on circumstances, on the omnipotent company, on anything but the actual people that are responsible.
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Post by mindless on Nov 4, 2015 6:25:04 GMT
I have to say Aynen that is a great response, you owned that shit. Just to be clear I'm not commenting on the appropriateness of the ban, I just like you coming out and owning the shit out of it. I disagree, it would have been far better to have owned up to it at the time when it mattered. Because for a lot of us we just had to assume it was Dave that caused all the trouble, An assumption that never would have existed if Aynen had just owned up to it at the time. Now it turns out that it's just par for the course, typical bad moderation from a well know repeat offender. Owning up to it almost a year later, when the other guy hasn't even worked there in ages, and no one even cares about this anymore, doesn't strike me as a particularly worth while open and honest gesture, it is something, just not much of something. p.s. On Dave leaving, I hold no ill will towards the guy, as CM he really should have listened to our reasoned arguments and judged the evidence in an objective fashion, his failure to do so, and just automatically siding with one of his own crew doesn't give me much hope he really has learned anything about community management at all. But i'm over this all ready, what seamed like such a big issue to me at the time, now feels mostly meaningless. I fought hard for the right to continue posting on steam, and as soon as my account was reactivated found I never post there anymore anyway, making the whole exercise somewhat pointless, a pyrrhic victory if you will. So I too will wish him well, may he have luck in finding a more reputable company to work for. |
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Post by totallytim on Nov 4, 2015 10:06:03 GMT
I still remember like it was yesterday when Peter Molyneux basically said: "Screw Godus and fuck you all, I'm going to work on a new project now."
It was so touching when you guys wished him luck on this new path.
Ow, wait...
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Post by Spiderweb on Nov 4, 2015 10:51:10 GMT
I still remember like it was yesterday when Peter Molyneux basically said: "Screw Godus and fuck you all, I'm going to work on a new project now." It was so touching when you guys wished him luck on this new path. Ow, wait... I see a slight difference in the levels of responsibility in your comparison? and PM didn't leave the company right? |
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Post by totallytim on Nov 4, 2015 11:39:32 GMT
Peter left Godus. He's only keeping the maintenance team on it, because it's still profitable on mobile. The most work he did for that game in the last two years was probably when he had to sing all those art books. I don't see a real difference. Dave was on it. He was selling the scam alongside Peter by representing his company and he got paid for it. It was in his best interest to play along, which he did. There's that thing called moral integrity. By that logic Aynen and Muir who don't get paid for religiously defending this thing shouldn't be blamed for their more than questionable actions in the past three years, because they're at the bottom of the chain. But hey, he disappeared for almost a year and now all is forgiven because he finally left this dump. I hope I meet him sometime when I visit the UK, so we can discuss his involvement in this scam over a nice pint of beer and laugh about him screwing us over. He didn't do anything against me personally, but because of his actions the community is in a worse state than it was before. People need to take responsibility for their action and I refuse to get over it. What happens when our current PR trolls decide to leave the company? Are we going to just let it go and hope that the next PR team doesn't bullshit and ignore us? |
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Post by colin22cans on Nov 4, 2015 11:43:21 GMT
Peter left Godus. He's only keeping the maintenance team on it, because it's still profitable on mobile. The most work he did for that game in the last two years was probably when he had to sing all those art books. I don't see a real difference. Over the last two months, Peter has worked more on Godus than The Trail. |
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Post by totallytim on Nov 4, 2015 11:43:58 GMT
I work for NASA. Prove me wrong.
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Post by Spiderweb on Nov 4, 2015 12:24:19 GMT
Peter left Godus. He's only keeping the maintenance team on it, because it's still profitable on mobile. The most work he did for that game in the last two years was probably when he had to sing all those art books. I don't see a real difference. Over the last two months, Peter has worked more on Godus than The Trail. See a little gem of information that would go down well with most, isn't even mentioned until now, why do you guys keep doing this? To paraphrase - "Peter has been putting in (some/a lot/ more) time on Godus over the last couple of month" - I think that would get a positive reaction (even on steam - well not at least the negatives when he moved off it), but it took goading for it to come out, again 22cans doing themselves no favours. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Nov 4, 2015 13:26:44 GMT
Peter left Godus. He's only keeping the maintenance team on it, because it's still profitable on mobile. The most work he did for that game in the last two years was probably when he had to sing all those art books. I don't see a real difference. Over the last two months, Peter has worked more on Godus than The Trail. Oh no! |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Nov 4, 2015 13:38:04 GMT
I work for NASA. Prove me wrong. I actually know a few people that work at (and with) NASA, so for me that's not a far fetched possibility. I hold Dave accountabile for his role and actions as CM with 22Cans - but again, that's no reason I can't wish him well in life. Part of my wishing is that he not repeat the past, he learn from hs experiences, strive to not be evil, and align himself with more reputable and trustworthy company (something often easier said than done in any profession). |
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