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Post by hardly on Feb 4, 2016 3:30:37 GMT
The whole situation might not be entirely fair or totally representative of Godus Wars as a standalone, but considering everything that happened in the last 4 years they deserve this reaction. Yet they got smacked down so fast with the negative reviews that I almost feel sorry for people like Kondrad who tried to develop this. Getting a "mostly negative" this early is pretty much a death sentence for any EA game in my opinion. I'm not saying that I enjoy Godus Wars, because it's very simplistic, underwhelming for an RTS, reminds me more of an ipad game and it doesn't even come close to satisfying my god game genre needs, but there have been far worse EA games released on Steam. But again, it would be unfair towards the original backers if this thing got positive reviews. I'm still a bit torn though. It's quite obvious that the whole thing is little more than a ploy to circumvent the failure of original Godus promises, yet it's clear that some effort has been put into this. One major problem for me is it might not be bad for a EA game on release but what exactly are they promising to do with it from here? Because if this is the only complexity it will have then you may as well just call it as you see it. |
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Post by Mandrake on Feb 4, 2016 3:43:49 GMT
Thefuck? What's even the point? Or are they just experimenting with ways to remove negative reviews? Brought up that because Godus is included in Godus Wars that posting reviews about Godus and 22Cans conduct isn't Off-topic and 22Cans need to stop flagging reviews as off-topic for that reason immediately, El presidente for life señor Bacon (AKA Colin) piped in with: Then quickly locking the thread before any post could be made to point out "We wrote otherwise in the FAQ" isn't grounds to treat any differing opinion as 'off-topic' and wrong so in need of Valve moderation. steamcommunity.com/app/422420/discussions/3/405690850600269998/It is part of the asinine and literally dodgy way 22cans (doesn't) handle their PR. Speaking of, Muir has this to say: 22cans went from running off to a completely new title (The Trail) to running Godus off onto a completely new title - and their public narrative is that it isn't fair that people remember the past and how 22cans have pulled this whole stunt while review tampering? Wow...  |
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Post by hardly on Feb 4, 2016 3:52:10 GMT
Wow. After all the problems they had from over doing the moderation they start off by intentionally overdoing the moderation. If they wanted a clean slate then deploying the hitler youth team was hardly the way to do it.
Is it just my mobile view or have they locked down the forum for GODUS wars into the nice categories they always wanted to so they can shuffle any complaints off into off topic and gameplay suggestions. Any issues with performance can be hidden in a sub folder for that too.
Colin, undoubtably you think we have jumped to attack you, but when you play these games you are the one attacking us.
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Post by Qetesh on Feb 4, 2016 4:04:51 GMT
It does not surprise me. Steam's Godus forum is THEIR forum. Steam is a monetary platform that sells these games and takes a percentage of the profit from them. Of Course they won't stop 22cans from censoring their forum.
This is like a Coca-cola forum having a bunch of people screaming how crappy Coke is and how much better Pepsi or cold dog pee is than it. Even if it was true, they still won't allow it if it stops them from selling even one more can of coke.
Devs with scruples will have moderators that are fair, and we all know that 22cans has no scruples, so why the surprise? You should expect it by now, and expect it only to get worse.
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Post by hardly on Feb 4, 2016 4:05:45 GMT
This is ridiculous: steamcommunity.com/app/422420/discussions/3/405690850601625272/?tscn=1454547068Who closes a thread for being off topic when it is posted in off topic. Plus it's not even off topic, it asks about a road map which seems completely reasonable. P.S. I was going try and keep things civil but I'm going to nuke 22cans with a negative review tonight of GODUS Wars. I didn't want to do that to Konrad but 22cans have earned it. I suggest every other GODUS owner does the same to show them we won't put up with this. |
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Post by hardly on Feb 4, 2016 4:07:29 GMT
It does not surprise me. Steam's Godus forum is THEIR forum. Steam is a monetary platform that sells these games and takes a percentage of the profit from them. Of Course they won't stop 22cans from censoring their forum. This is like a Coca-cola forum having a bunch of people screaming how crappy Coke is and how much better Pepsi or cold dog pee is than it. Even if it was true, they still won't allow it if it stops them from selling even one more can of coke. Devs with scruples will have moderators that are fair, and we all know that 22cans has no scruples, so why the surprise? You should expect it by now, and expect it only to get worse. I can appreciate they don't want negative feedback on their page but if Coke tasted like shit the best way to fix that would probably be to stop putting shit in the bottle. Trying to suppress people's honestly held views only encourages them to express those views more loudly. |
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Post by Mandrake on Feb 4, 2016 4:10:45 GMT
Wow. After all the problems they had from over doing the moderation they start off by intentionally overdoing the moderation. If they wanted a clean slate then deploying the hitler youth team was hardly the way to do it. Is it just my mobile view or have they locked down the forum for GODUS wars into the nice categories they always wanted to so they can shuffle any complaints off into off topic and gameplay suggestions. Any issues with performance can be hidden in a sub folder for that too. Colin, undoubtably you think we have jumped to attack you, but when you play these games you are the one attacking us. After the attempt to run off to a whole new title to escape the spectacular and recurring failure of old* then I am certain that they would feel more than comfortable with going back to any of the shit tricks we've previously documented. Who knows? They might have learned even greater new lows than what Godus Wars represents. * - To achieve about the same result anyways but to be left looking like a total baboon's arse for having tried in the first place - kind of like a scummy shopkeeper moving addresses while naming the same: "Oh, but that was the store in Liverpool! Completely different setup here, sir!" |
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Post by Mandrake on Feb 4, 2016 4:24:18 GMT
... Before I even spoke, again a new horror comes along. godus.boards.net/post/26418/threadShit moderation has nothing on the real designs in progress. The PR strategy is now obvious:  I'll be back in a bit, I have some phone calls to make. |
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Post by totallytim on Feb 4, 2016 4:40:55 GMT
But what's the point of flagging a review as 'off-topic'? DOes it get sent to Valve for deletion or what? As far as I can tell it's still visible for everyone and people are still able to comment and vote on it. It only prevent's the author from changing it, but considering it's a 'bad review' in the eyes of the developer, changes could potentially only be for the better. This has Simon and Colin written all over it. Yup. The biggest reason for the failure of project Godus from the get go was probably the inability to properly communicate and PR. Simon and Colin somehow managed to make it worse. In comparison Peter actually looks like less of a bad guy now and more like someone who just got way too excited for his idea. |
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Post by Qetesh on Feb 4, 2016 4:42:41 GMT
It does not surprise me. Steam's Godus forum is THEIR forum. Steam is a monetary platform that sells these games and takes a percentage of the profit from them. Of Course they won't stop 22cans from censoring their forum. This is like a Coca-cola forum having a bunch of people screaming how crappy Coke is and how much better Pepsi or cold dog pee is than it. Even if it was true, they still won't allow it if it stops them from selling even one more can of coke. Devs with scruples will have moderators that are fair, and we all know that 22cans has no scruples, so why the surprise? You should expect it by now, and expect it only to get worse. I can appreciate they don't want negative feedback on their page but if Coke tasted like shit the best way to fix that would probably be to stop putting shit in the bottle. Trying to suppress people's honestly held views only encourages them to express those views more loudly. Sure, but as I said......22 cans has no scruples. |
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Post by Qetesh on Feb 4, 2016 4:44:08 GMT
But what's the point of flagging a review as 'off-topic'? DOes it get sent to Valve for deletion or what? As far as I can tell it's still visible for everyone and people are still able to comment and vote on it. It only prevent's the author from changing it, but considering it's a 'bad review' in the eyes of the developer, changes could potentially only be for the better. This has Simon and Colin written all over it. Yup. The biggest reason for the failure of project Godus from the get go was probably the inability to properly communicate and PR. Simon and Colin somehow managed to make it worse. In comparison Peter actually looks like less of a bad guy now and more like someone who just got way too excited for his idea. I could guess that this would mean it no longer counts as a "review" and so would not adversely affect their rating. |
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Post by tikigod on Feb 4, 2016 5:07:30 GMT
But what's the point of flagging a review as 'off-topic'? DOes it get sent to Valve for deletion or what? As far as I can tell it's still visible for everyone and people are still able to comment and vote on it. It only prevent's the author from changing it, but considering it's a 'bad review' in the eyes of the developer, changes could potentially only be for the better. This has Simon and Colin written all over it. Yup. The biggest reason for the failure of project Godus from the get go was probably the inability to properly communicate and PR. Simon and Colin somehow managed to make it worse. In comparison Peter actually looks like less of a bad guy now and more like someone who just got way too excited for his idea. Flagging it as off-topic is part of the system they have available to them to report reviews they feel are not proper reviews of the product for Valve representatives to review and then either remove or decide the developer is full of it and the review is fine. Essentially by flagging the review it's an attempt to get it pulled down by Valve. Until Valve make a ruling it's still included in the ratings, but it's quite the effective deterrent to apply to one or two examples to show they'll flag reviews they don't agree with and let Valve make a ruling to try discourage other reviews of a specific nature. Once they've flagged a review it's still within their power to unflag it if they wish after deciding it was a rash decision or was a overreaction, so leaving it marked up is a clear sign of either wanting to push the take down, or trying to use it to set an example for others. |
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Post by totallytim on Feb 4, 2016 5:12:18 GMT
I could guess that this would mean it no longer counts as a "review" and so would not adversely affect their rating. I did a bit of digging and found this: m.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1s5jpq/a_dev_is_able_to_mark_steam_reviews_as/ (this is somewhat older) Q. I'm a developer. Can I delete reviews of my product?
A. Not directly. If you find abusive or offensive reviews written about your product, you can flag it as spam/abuse. The review will continue to be listed on your store page, but in a collapsed form and marked as spam until a moderator can either delete the review or remove the spam flag.This seems a bit more recent: partner.steamgames.com/documentation/moderating_best_practices"Steam Community Moderators or Valve Employees will then review flagged reviews and delete or unflag as appropriate."When we're already on the topic of good moderation practices... the above link also mentions this: "Let customers express their unhappiness. Don't censor; customers know when that's happening. Focus on your product rather than getting worked up over negative comments. Channel your energy into fixing the core issues and making customers happy in the product."All in all, they're actually trying to pull negative reviews from steam. I would wager that tikigods isn't the only review that's being "flagged for deletion" |
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Post by Mandrake on Feb 4, 2016 6:29:25 GMT
*whistles and pulls in the Godus-class popcorn machine* I have a feeling we're going to be needing this in a few hours in preparation for The Shit 2.0.14540.14540.14540. Three out of four "Th'F***?!"s isn't a good sign. The last was stunned silence followed up by "I had to check my calendar to see which day it was." Top-rated "Positive" review: steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198030167683/recommended/422420/* - (OMG, users can make fake reviews - SO UNFAIR! 22cans probably didn't challenge that one, I would imagine, since it would give them a Like to clutch at.) |
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Post by Melhadf on Feb 4, 2016 10:19:28 GMT
My negative review hasn't been flagged... yet. But I'm still expecting it to happen, it's why I put all the links to proof in the review.
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Post by Mandrake on Feb 4, 2016 10:57:56 GMT
I do expect them to have the intelligence to have decided to quit when it was becoming evident with actual evidence. As usual.
They used to BAIT folks by deleting posts and then lying about the contents to make it look like people were being mean. Well, up until we posted evidence about it at length.
(That's the funny thing...by this public commentary we're actually offering advice and effectively stopping some forms of PR suicide as enacted by 22cans - many of us have tried offering advice in more hopeful attempts at many points, but as of late has been a grAND source for gallows humour to those watching in disbelief over the whole thing.)
First thing everyone seems to be asking about this, "So why the change of names?"
I do hope 22cans have thought that far in advance, though explaining how the second continent is already under a paywall will be some work - that detail is in the Godus Wars store game description already (along with a bullet point that appears to be cut off).
Then folks start wondering if they are to be expected to pay for the "premium addons" if they were already "given" Godus Wars with limited content and paywall introduced, name changed to weasel out of previous claims and assurances.
That...is their plan. They "change" the names and nobody will consider it the same product, but instead be something new they SWITCHed out for the original product.
Secret Message: 22cans thinks you're too stupid to know of consumer laws expressly forbidding the exact thing they just did.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 11:35:41 GMT
Pro tip "General Discussion" forums and "Off-topic" forums are much too much for mere mortal mods to handle. steamcommunity.com/app/422420/discussions/3/405690850603296120/Good thing we pay for a highly trained team of god-mods on this site to handle the back-breaking overlap that the off topic section creates, otherwise we would all be in DEEP DOODOO!!! |
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Post by Mandrake on Feb 4, 2016 12:01:11 GMT
Pro tip "General Discussion" forums and "Off-topic" forums are much too much for mere mortal mods to handle. steamcommunity.com/app/422420/discussions/3/405690850603296120/Good thing we pay for a highly trained team of god-mods on this site to handle the back-breaking overlap that the off topic section creates, otherwise we would all be in DEEP DOODOO!!! How about the awesome PR that is so skilled that they make the one asking questions even more confused than before? "Godus isn't abandoned because we're working on Godus Wars" while doing absolutely nothing to actually address the question...brilliant beyond compare. Here is an example of just that: steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/412446292755546739/ |
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Post by Aron on Feb 4, 2016 13:24:56 GMT
The whole situation might not be entirely fair or totally representative of Godus Wars as a standalone, but considering everything that happened in the last 4 years they deserve this reaction. Yet they got smacked down so fast with the negative reviews that I almost feel sorry for people like Kondrad who tried to develop this. Getting a "mostly negative" this early is pretty much a death sentence for any EA game in my opinion. I'm not saying that I enjoy Godus Wars, because it's very simplistic, underwhelming for an RTS, reminds me more of an ipad game and it doesn't even come close to satisfying my god game genre needs, but there have been far worse EA games released on Steam. But again, it would be unfair towards the original backers if this thing got positive reviews. I'm still a bit torn though. It's quite obvious that the whole thing is little more than a ploy to circumvent the failure of original Godus promises, yet it's clear that some effort has been put into this. sorry but its not unfair cause godus and godus wars are put together as 1 game and we all know how godus is |
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Post by totallytim on Feb 4, 2016 13:40:54 GMT
sorry but its not unfair cause godus and godus wars are put together as 1 game and we all know how godus is Don't worry. The discovery of microtransactions opened my eyes and changed my views on the matter. They reap what they sow. |
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