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Post by greay on Mar 22, 2016 7:57:21 GMT
1: redundant implies there's a replacement 2: this opens the question, was anybody else let go? No redundant means no longer required which is the opposite of replacement. I suppose you're right; I always interpret it as there's multiple people doing the same job, or being replaced by a robot. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Mar 22, 2016 8:23:59 GMT
It does still leave that question. Was anyone else made "redundant"?
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Post by Crumpy Six on Mar 22, 2016 10:59:21 GMT
Who else could they lose? Potentially junior programmers, but they are fairly cheap. I expect Colin was on an inflated salary, particular when you consider his job involved no duties or responsibilities whatsoever. I'd say the obvious person to cut next would be Simon. 22Cans trundled along without a CEO for ages, and if I remember rightly his first action as CEO was to bring in the now-redundant PR manager. He may also have been behind the bright idea of adding premium content into Godus Wars (I would love to know whose idea that was).
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Post by totallytim on Mar 22, 2016 15:07:25 GMT
Aynen, muir, I assume Colin was your contact at 22Cans. Who directs you now?
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Post by heggers on Mar 22, 2016 16:20:36 GMT
Aynen , muir , I assume Colin was your contact at 22Cans. Who directs you now? Wishful thinking that they'll log back in I think |
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Post by hardly on Mar 22, 2016 18:34:37 GMT
No redundant means no longer required which is the opposite of replacement. I suppose you're right; I always interpret it as there's multiple people doing the same job, or being replaced by a robot. Well in most cases for someone to be "redundant" there has to be someone else available to do your work assuming that work is still required. In this case I'm guessing 22cans are just giving up on PR/community management. If this is true it says a lot about their intentions for GODUS and the Trail. This is why I think they might move the Trail to a more traditional publisher arrangement because then the publisher will do the PR/CM activities. It's possible they have already signed that deal. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Mar 22, 2016 22:20:20 GMT
Aynen and Muir are no longer allowed to speak to us. Haven't been for quite some time now. Just thought I'd throw that in there. I know nobody else was aware of that.
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Post by Crumpy Six on Mar 22, 2016 23:28:00 GMT
Er, what? Aynen and Muir are unpaid volunteer mods on Steam. 22Cans has no power over them whatsoever. It's horribly sad that 22Cans has somehow managed to brainwash them into submission. I guess the threat is losing their much-coveted 'mod' status? My god.
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Post by hardly on Mar 23, 2016 5:35:30 GMT
Aynen and Muir are no longer allowed to speak to us. Haven't been for quite some time now. Just thought I'd throw that in there. I know nobody else was aware of that. Just when you thought 22Cans couldn't get any weirder. Thank you for letting us know.
Can you expand on that? Do you mean they aren't allowed to post here or they aren't allowed to message us? Presumably they are still allowed to post on Steam?
As Crumpy notes, that is really weird since (a) they aren't paid and (b) its a free country. Given the state of things, I would have thought 22Cans needs them more than they need 22Cans.
I cant find them in the user search but maybe I'm just using it wrong.
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Post by greay on Mar 23, 2016 7:21:14 GMT
Aynen and Muir are no longer allowed to speak to us. Haven't been for quite some time now. Just thought I'd throw that in there. I know nobody else was aware of that. Just when you thought 22Cans couldn't get any weirder. Thank you for letting us know.
Can you expand on that? Do you mean they aren't allowed to post here or they aren't allowed to message us? Presumably they are still allowed to post on Steam?
As Crumpy notes, that is really weird since (a) they aren't paid and (b) its a free country. Given the state of things, I would have thought 22Cans needs them more than they need 22Cans.
I cant find them in the user search but maybe I'm just using it wrong.
Yeah what's up with that; the member search is completely broken. anyways they were pretty easy to find manually: muirAynen |
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Post by Crumpy Six on Mar 23, 2016 8:32:00 GMT
Aynen and Muir are no longer allowed to speak to us. Haven't been for quite some time now. Just thought I'd throw that in there. I know nobody else was aware of that. Just when you thought 22Cans couldn't get any weirder. Thank you for letting us know.
Can you expand on that? Do you mean they aren't allowed to post here or they aren't allowed to message us? Presumably they are still allowed to post on Steam?
As Crumpy notes, that is really weird since (a) they aren't paid and (b) its a free country. Given the state of things, I would have thought 22Cans needs them more than they need 22Cans.
I cant find them in the user search but maybe I'm just using it wrong.
Yeah, this. Lord Ba'al, I assume you heard about this from Colin. Do you have any more information about this, and what the reasoning is behind it? It was obvious that 22Cans had decided their staff shouldn't post here, but I had no idea they had tried to extend that to Aynen and Muir. Aynen and Muir, if you're reading this, you really don't have to put up with 22Cans telling you where you can or cannot post on the internet... that's ridiculous. You have no obligation to them whatsoever. |
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Post by totallytim on Mar 23, 2016 9:23:43 GMT
Aynen and Muir are no longer allowed to speak to us. Haven't been for quite some time now. Just thought I'd throw that in there. I know nobody else was aware of that. Said who? Allowed? Do they need Peters permission now? I wonder if they (unknowingly?) signed some sort of soul selling contract with 22Cans when visiting their offices several months ago. According to their Steam history they don't seem to be enjoying the new Godus Wars game too much and I don't know how else someone with such a poor reputation is able to tell two "autonomous" they're not allowed to talk to a group, as clinging to the orange sheriff badge sounds a bit unreasonable and almost pathetic. Another explanation would be that they're intentionally slowly distancing themselves from the whole Godus fiasco by claiming that they're not allowed to talk to us. I wouldn't be surprised if Colin and/or Co. mentioned something alon the lines of "please avoid the trolls on the proboards if possible", which they can now technically use as an excuse. They are already on active duty as the new mods of the Atom Universe Steam forums along with our old CM friend mrdrpink a.k.a. TheBanHammer. When we thought the situation couldn't get any more ridiculous. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Mar 23, 2016 9:33:51 GMT
I didn't hear it from Colin. As far as I know it is only regarding posting on ProBoards. That's all I know really.
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Post by Crumpy Six on Mar 23, 2016 13:16:17 GMT
22Cans has been criticised in the past for preferring third-party forums (here) to the official boards when it comes to community engagement. It's not an unreasonable objection, but the obvious solution would be to communicate using both platforms rather than limiting themselves to the Steam boards, especially since the Steam boards are now almost dead. Of course, even on the Steam boards they're only communicating through the extremely prescriptive new board structure...
Increasingly locking down every possible avenue of user feedback and community engagement feels like they're gearing up to ditch Godus/Godus Wars entirely, and they want to limit the exposure of any individual community rep when that happens in order to protect them from the public backlash. They aren't even responding to tech support queries anymore.
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Post by RobertMuldoon on Mar 23, 2016 14:11:49 GMT
In a way, this is a shame, and not just because unemployment can be awful for anyone. During previous periods of non-communication there has at least been a figurehead who was nominally responsible for the radio silence and to whom complaints could be directed (even if there wasn't a response). Removing the CM/PR guy means there's no one who's accountable at all. If you don't want complaints/user engagement, I guess not having someone whose job it is to listen is a pretty smart move, but a shame regardless. Aynen and Muir are no longer allowed to speak to us. Haven't been for quite some time now. Just thought I'd throw that in there. I know nobody else was aware of that. This is pretty curious too. As volunteers, I imagine Muir and Aynen know they can act autonomously and don't have to do what 22Cans tell them to, so they must have voluntarily agreed not to post here. This being the case, I wonder what it is they get in return for going along with 22Cans' injunctions? I imagine opportunities for moving to paid employment at 22Cans are pretty slim and presumably the feeling of being a big fish moderator in a small Steam pond must lose its shine after a while. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 17:23:37 GMT
I'd imagine 22cans simply asked them not to, and they both happily agreed.
It wouldn't be much of a stretch to say they've both consistently exhibited resoundingly sycophantic behavior towards 22cans, and have very little reason, considering the amoral stance they've taken towards many of 22cans indiscretions, to jeopardise any rapport they've built up while blindly defending them over the years.
Don't bite the hand that feeds and all that.
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Post by 13thGeneral on Mar 24, 2016 3:31:58 GMT
22Cans is really trying hard to ostracize themselves from any criticism. Simply trying to ignore and hide isn't going to change anything and only work to make them look even worse all around. If muir and Aynen wanted to come here of their own fruition, I'm sure they would - but they might have to distance themselves from 22Cans a bit first, just to avoid lashback. Honestly, I wish them luck. |
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Post by hardly on Mar 24, 2016 4:55:24 GMT
22Cans is really trying hard to ostracize themselves from any criticism. Simply trying to ignore and hide isn't going to change anything and only work to make them look even worse all around. If muir and Aynen wanted to come here of their own fruition, I'm sure they would - but they might have to distance themselves from 22Cans a bit first, just to avoid lashback. Honestly, I wish them luck. When they aren't moderating I find them to be reasonable and likeable people. |
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Post by totallytim on Mar 24, 2016 10:23:28 GMT
22Cans is really trying hard to ostracize themselves from any criticism. Simply trying to ignore and hide isn't going to change anything and only work to make them look even worse all around. If muir and Aynen wanted to come here of their own fruition, I'm sure they would - but they might have to distance themselves from 22Cans a bit first, just to avoid lashback. Honestly, I wish them luck. When they aren't moderating I find them to be reasonable and likeable people. [The illusion of] power corrupts. |
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Post by Crumpy Six on Mar 24, 2016 10:41:55 GMT
Andy Walker, formerly head of production at 22Cans (Kyreal?), also apparently changed jobs in March 2016.
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