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Post by splitterwind on May 18, 2014 2:49:57 GMT
So in this thread Geoge has recently posted two posts that are in my opinion worth to discuss. 22cans isn't allowed to talk about the mobile version, because of DeNA I guess. Apparently no early access revenue has been used for the mobile version. The question is... what else has it been used for? Judging but what I've seen so far the mobile version is nearly identical to the PC version. Its the same gameplay, sounds and graphics. If the Revenue has solely been used for the desktop version, shouldn't the desktop version have something that makes it unique? |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 18, 2014 4:43:23 GMT
Lol. Yeah it seems pretty obvious that they have gag orders. Not being able to tell us why they can't tell us just screams non-disclosure agreement. I'm actually surprised that he is allowed to tell us that he can't tell us why he can't tell us about the mobile version.
Also that second comment is just weird. As far as we know all funds that went into Godus were derived from the Kickstarter backers and Steam early access players. They may have had a cash injection from DeNA (isn't it funny how that almost reads NDA?) as well but they haven't told us about it.
Also I find it rather strange that the terms of their agreement with DeNA prevent them from sharing information with us that we are entitled to according to our Kickstarter agreement which predates the DeNA agreement. Is there a lawyer in the house who could shed some light on this?
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Post by rubgish on May 18, 2014 7:29:13 GMT
You aren't entitled to any information unless it's specifically listed in your tier of funding for the game. Kickstarter encourages developers to keep in contact with backers & keep them up to date, but they have no obligation to do so. So long as they deliver what they said they would /specifically/ in the tier section, then they have done all that is required from them legally.
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Post by splitterwind on May 18, 2014 9:40:21 GMT
I just realized that they promised "no publishers" on their kickstarter page. This is honestly the worst company in the gaming industry. Attachments:
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Post by silvester on May 18, 2014 10:48:31 GMT
We're not ready to talk about Godus on mobile yet, as much as we'd really like to.
We (as in the studio) can't even say why we can't talk about it right now, but when we do come to talk about it, we'll be able to explain the reason behind the silence then. So, they don't want to talk about mobile because.. they don't want to talk about mobile? - Even saying the reason, would hint at why they aren't talking about mobile? It's most certainly NOT an NDA - DeNA is a PUBLISHER - why would they have an NDA? - Wouldn't a publisher WANT people to talk about a game?... As for the funding... So... what money IS being used?... Do they have another bank? - With other money?... And - wasn't the whole idea of Godus to be MULTI PLATFORM. Meaning that the game I backed is PC & MOBILE ? - Now I hear that the money ISN'T being used to fund MOBILE?.. What? - That doesn't make sense at all! |
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Post by splitterwind on May 18, 2014 11:08:46 GMT
I have no clue. The least thing they should be able to is talking about the release of the mobile version...
Maybe its just an excuse to not talk about it.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 18, 2014 15:55:44 GMT
I for one am very keen to learn more about this.
Perhaps George can not tell us the reason why is not able to tell us why he is not able to tell us why he is not able to tell us why he is not able to tell us, but maybe he is allowed to tell us WHEN he is allowed to tell us about what he is not allowed to tell us now.
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Post by jpw on May 18, 2014 17:38:31 GMT
Maybe he can recommend a mobile game partner that if I were to have one company as a distributor and I wanted someone else to help me with something else but they would enforce NDA then who would I choose. I really could do with finding our. So recommend away.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 18:58:58 GMT
DeNA can not be the mobile publisher because 22cans told us that DeNA is not a publisher for Godus. Wait? Didn't they tell us that DeNA is the mobile publisher right now? What's going on here? Are they lying to us? Ok, wait. No. Now i remember ... they are lying to us since beginning of the Kickstarter ... so no surprise.
Fact. They don't tell us anything. If they tell us something it's most likley a lie, something someone said who has no clue at all, or something Peter said, what in fact means that you can't take it for real. Ok sorry, unless it's the weather in guildford. If they say we can't say you anything they mean, we don't want to tell you anything because if we do tell you what we don't want to tell you you would be really pissed. No wait ... really really really pissed. Ah wait again ... the weather is great here.
So guys why don't you read your damn inofficial backer faq?
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Post by banned on May 18, 2014 22:09:12 GMT
DeNA can not be the mobile publisher because 22cans told us that DeNA is not a publisher for Godus. Wait? Didn't they tell us that DeNA is the mobile publisher right now? What's going on here? Are they lying to us? Ok, wait. No. Now i remember ... they are lying to us since beginning of the Kickstarter ... so no surprise. Fact. They don't tell us anything. If they tell us something it's most likley a lie, something someone said who has no clue at all, or something Peter said, what in fact means that you can't take it for real. Ok sorry, unless it's the weather in guildford. If they say we can't say you anything they mean, we don't want to tell you anything because if we do tell you what we don't want to tell you you would be really pissed. No wait ... really really really pissed. Ah wait again ... the weather is great here. So guys why don't you read your damn inofficial backer faq? But the kickstarter explicitly said no publisher. and when the DeNA deal broke and they were sure no "geek PC gamers" would hear about it much less know what it meant, but we did, they professed astonishment at our over reaction to the "distributor only with no influence or affect" knowledge. and just because everything we said would occur, while they claimed we were simply over reacting and misunderstood, did occur exactly as we feared, does not mean that this time is different. They have changed and they won't fuck us in the ass without lube anymore. They promise. And we can know it is true because having done it a dozen times already they are now bored. They have the new crew of NZ IOS fruitpad players to fuck. Our asses are safe. Safe in that they shall ignore us as much as possible. I am an asshole so they have not liked how I have taken it so far, and I have not even begun (its still in beta after all). |
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 18, 2014 22:41:31 GMT
As for the funding... So... what money IS being used?... Do they have another bank? - With other money?... And - wasn't the whole idea of Godus to be MULTI PLATFORM. Meaning that the game I backed is PC & MOBILE ? - Now I hear that the money ISN'T being used to fund MOBILE?.. What? - That doesn't make sense at all! It doesn't make sense. Unless 22Cans has a wildly different definition of 'funding' to the rest of the world, George is talking out of his ass. I have no idea why he said such a thing. |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 19, 2014 11:08:40 GMT
As for the funding... So... what money IS being used? The publisher of the mobile version's, of course. |
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Post by splitterwind on May 19, 2014 11:11:44 GMT
What is the income of early access used for?
Both versions share the same graphics, sounds and almost identical gameplay.
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Post by Monkeythumbz on May 19, 2014 11:25:29 GMT
What is the income of early access used for? PC and Mac. The desktop version is its own branch with separate builds. |
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Post by splitterwind on May 19, 2014 11:28:18 GMT
Could you be more vague?
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Post by stuhacking on May 19, 2014 11:39:13 GMT
What is the income of early access used for? PC and Mac. The desktop version is its own branch with separate builds. What's the deal with those branches then? Have you taken a break from working on them to focus more on mobile? If we are talking about different development channels, and different sources of funding: Is it fair for a small developer to take money to fund an implementation for one platform and then devote time to producing a game for a different platform with a different set of funds? I guess it's not against the rules. Has the Kickstarter money dried up? Is the Steam version pretty much what we're getting? Or how will the completion of the PC Version be accomplished? Do we need to wait for pay-2-win money to start rolling in? |
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 19, 2014 11:40:59 GMT
What is the income of early access used for? PC and Mac. The desktop version is its own branch with separate builds. Thanks for the clarification. When will work on the PC build begin? |
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Post by splitterwind on May 19, 2014 11:49:30 GMT
Maybe they are investing all the money of early access on making the exit button work... And to disable the shop of course... And to change a few numbers on a sheet...
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Post by silvester on May 19, 2014 12:27:48 GMT
What is the income of early access used for? PC and Mac. The desktop version is its own branch with separate builds. Hahahahahahahahahahaaaa! Oh wait, you were serious, let met laugh louder. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 12:45:51 GMT
As for the funding... So... what money IS being used? The publisher of the mobile version's, of course. Can't you see that there is some major inconsistence? You say that they use the money of the mobile publisher to build the mobile version of the game? 22cans repeatedly mentioned that there is no mobile publisher - so who is this publisher we don't know? DeNA could not be the publisher they are only helping with distribution - that's what 22cans told us. |
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