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Post by Qetesh on Feb 25, 2014 15:44:33 GMT
It is currently in the shop. I am hoping it comes back with some cool aftermarket add-ons.
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Post by mark on Feb 25, 2014 19:48:49 GMT
Ahhh, the great Silence of 22cans; followed by the next great silence; then a small squeak and a promise of less silence which was then utterly consumed by silence.
With Sam now moving on, I can't imagine the Silence that will follow.
Luckily, there have been plenty of one man dev teams building their own indie games that love to chat.
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Post by Geeky Meerkat on Feb 25, 2014 20:14:43 GMT
Do you know why you can't imagine the Silence that will follow? Because the Silence has this strange memory trick that when you stop looking at them you forget that you even saw them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 20:16:53 GMT
My nephew of 2 years old, cried in shock as he saw a Silence blow up a woman. I was like.. Oh, right.. that shit is scary. :c
I think that gave him nightmares. Shortly after we switched the channel to NickJr.
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Post by morsealworth on Mar 7, 2014 16:43:59 GMT
It sounds like you think we should feel bad for them for getting upset over them screwing us over. They got their cash by lying and so they made this bed and now they have to lie in it. It is really immature that they have to HIDE from their backers, because we are so scary to them. In the business world if you don't provide what you promise investors there are consequences. I respect EA for at last facing it's problems with it's players and owning up to it's shortcomings. I don't respect Godus for pulling up the drawbridge and hiding in their castle of silence. They are not children and there is no excuse for not handling this situation as adults do. I don't like what my patrons tell me sometimes in business, but you have to take the calls and answer them accordingly or soon won't have anymore patrons. The internet is a tool, almost like a sword. It can be double edged. If you are going to use it as 22cans did to obtain their funds, then you should also be prepared for the downside to it. You should hire someone adept at managing people and you should know that anything you ever post on the internet stays there forever. If you promise X, you better provide it, or be prepared to account for why. You should know that people are more likely to not hold back via the internet and you should have contingency plans in plans for when things go awry. They have never provided a person like that. It is not just the backers forum. They handled it so poorly that now they have people screaming at them at Steam and Facebook as well. They have repeatedly said they would provide something and then provided something different. They did not want to hear the input many many Alpha backers tried to give them, that had nothing to do with negativity. They yanked the Alpha away after only a few updates and very short period of time. They opened up for more backers conveniently just in time for Beta to now be available. Another brief period of time and they opened up Steam early access. Each time they did so, they ticked off the backer tier they screwed over by doing so. As far as the delay and timing for game. I don't really have an issue with an actual delay. Stuff happens and you have to take the time you need to take. I never would have donated the amount I did I had known they were going to act this way. I also think that the game as it stands is nothing like any game most backers wanted. I think if they wanted backers for a F2P game, they should have been honest with the presentation of what the game was going to be. Their next biggest mistake was trying to quiet the masses. The more you try to put out that fire, the hotter it will burn. And here we have a woman making a good speech about responsibility to a more than a dozen grown men who should have responsibility in their instincts. Bravo, Gray. Seriously, that's outstanding.
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Post by 13thGeneral on Mar 7, 2014 18:06:29 GMT
A user in the Steam Forum posted a link to a very vague post on a gaming website about an upcoming announcement from 22Cans; Godus PC Beta 2.0 Trailer Will Drop Next Week via vg247.com Something just seems awfully auspiciously convenient about it to me. More of this subtle, deliberate and obvious, peppering of info to the media, while ignoring the actual users. Why can't tell us this in the Official Backer Forum? We'd be far more understanding if they'd just tell us upfront. I would have been happy had they told us first. And... "Godus 4.0 Trailer" A trailer? Do you think they'll post it here or on the website first, or release it to the media and continue to ignore us? C'mon, 22Cans, be better than this.
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Post by Qetesh on Mar 7, 2014 22:48:18 GMT
It sounds like you think we should feel bad for them for getting upset over them screwing us over. They got their cash by lying and so they made this bed and now they have to lie in it. It is really immature that they have to HIDE from their backers, because we are so scary to them. In the business world if you don't provide what you promise investors there are consequences. I respect EA for at last facing it's problems with it's players and owning up to it's shortcomings. I don't respect Godus for pulling up the drawbridge and hiding in their castle of silence. They are not children and there is no excuse for not handling this situation as adults do. I don't like what my patrons tell me sometimes in business, but you have to take the calls and answer them accordingly or soon won't have anymore patrons. The internet is a tool, almost like a sword. It can be double edged. If you are going to use it as 22cans did to obtain their funds, then you should also be prepared for the downside to it. You should hire someone adept at managing people and you should know that anything you ever post on the internet stays there forever. If you promise X, you better provide it, or be prepared to account for why. You should know that people are more likely to not hold back via the internet and you should have contingency plans in plans for when things go awry. They have never provided a person like that. It is not just the backers forum. They handled it so poorly that now they have people screaming at them at Steam and Facebook as well. They have repeatedly said they would provide something and then provided something different. They did not want to hear the input many many Alpha backers tried to give them, that had nothing to do with negativity. They yanked the Alpha away after only a few updates and very short period of time. They opened up for more backers conveniently just in time for Beta to now be available. Another brief period of time and they opened up Steam early access. Each time they did so, they ticked off the backer tier they screwed over by doing so. As far as the delay and timing for game. I don't really have an issue with an actual delay. Stuff happens and you have to take the time you need to take. I never would have donated the amount I did I had known they were going to act this way. I also think that the game as it stands is nothing like any game most backers wanted. I think if they wanted backers for a F2P game, they should have been honest with the presentation of what the game was going to be. Their next biggest mistake was trying to quiet the masses. The more you try to put out that fire, the hotter it will burn. And here we have a woman making a good speech about responsibility to a more than a dozen grown men who should have responsibility in their instincts. Bravo, Gray. Seriously, that's outstanding. Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am Qetesh in here darnit........LOL Seriously, It is just amazing to me about some of it. I am starting to get a bit tweaked again about the total silence but just like any other natural disaster happens, it is big news for a few weeks and then people go on with life and nobody cares. I think this is what they are counting on, people will give up and nobody will care. They will find a new audience of fools and still make their coin. Sorry, hope I am wrong, but patience is starting to wear out again. Take ten frakin minutes and talk to the people that put up the money to get you here. I know damn right well I would, If I was in their shoes. Like I said before, I just cannot respect someone that does not respect other's as they deserve to be treated. I have to kiss the ass of every company and their brothers in my business to get by..... welcome to the real world. All we want is the frakin truth from the horses mouth. It would be nice if they had the cajones to say it.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Mar 14, 2014 16:34:59 GMT
I'm finding the community rock star Matthew Allen rather quiet since he came in with his big post about apologies for the silence and that he was gonna be changing things around.
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Post by stuhacking on Mar 14, 2014 16:52:08 GMT
It looks as though now that 2.0 got released the forum is starting to go quiet again. Maybe he has a lot of feedback to get through... I hope his flurry of activity last week and earlier this week was not just to wake up the dormant backers and get the steam updates flowing. I guess at this stage it's not just new players they need: New players will be confronted by that wall of bad reviews on Steam. They really should be thinking about how they can turn the community around, or else draw a line under this and call it done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 19:45:15 GMT
I don't think they really wanted our feedback. That's only show to make us as happy as possible until the mobile release is over. They were only interested in the data they got through the game. Our clicking behavior and mana usage ... That's what they need to work out the perfect flow of the game to make the most money out of their invest to play.
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Post by muumipeikko on Mar 15, 2014 1:24:58 GMT
I don't think anything has changed, 22Cans/Peter has always communicated with the community when he wants something. Right now he wants to create a buzz, people talking about Godus, writing reviews doing youtubes... anything to get it out their to sucker new money into the project. Have they really delivered anything but hollow promises? My hunch is the only reason we were communicated with in Nov was they were desperate to get out a Xmas release to try to grab some of the xmas spend but then realised it wasn't happening..
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Mar 15, 2014 2:03:22 GMT
I see Matthew is posting right now. I wonder if he'll be answering some of the questions that have been posted or if he'll simply be skimming through some threads telling us he will relay our opinions to the team.
If the latter is the case I intend to call him out on it because I expect two way communication.
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Post by Qetesh on Mar 15, 2014 2:12:03 GMT
I see he responded to a few vanilla threads, but waiting to see if he does for the ones with the louder complaints.
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Post by ghosrath on Mar 18, 2014 15:54:15 GMT
IMO, Matthew is doing some good work on the steam forums up to now. I see less Muir, I see less deleted or locked threads.
It's a good start
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Post by Crumpy Six on Mar 18, 2014 16:11:11 GMT
Matthew is great, but I honestly think this is a bandaid solution and he's quickly going to find himself gagged by PM and whoever else is trying to control the flow of information behind the scenes.
The problem is deeper than a lack of communication from 22Cans. They weren't telling the community what they were up to because they didn't care what the community thought, so why waste time bothering? After releases they ask for feedback but don't listen to it. Matthew is now saying that he's taking all the feedback and suggestions and giving it to the devs, but Sam said the exact same thing a few months ago, so this process is not new and does not mean 22Cans is going to pay any attention. Matthew, for all his good intentions (and I do believe he's genuinely making an effort) is just for show.
It all comes back to Peter Molyneux, in my opinion. I don't know if his misinterpretation of user feedback is deliberate or if he has a real problem understanding people. If it's the former then I guess we all got thoroughly conned. If it's the latter, he badly needs someone with people skills helping him analyse the feedback so we don't get more "how about replacing cards with stickers" inspirations.
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Post by Qetesh on Mar 18, 2014 16:19:16 GMT
Matthew is great, but I honestly think this is a bandaid solution and he's quickly going to find himself gagged by PM and whoever else is trying to control the flow of information behind the scenes. The problem is deeper than a lack of communication from 22Cans. They weren't telling the community what they were up to because they didn't care what the community thought, so why waste time bothering? After releases they ask for feedback but don't listen to it. Matthew is now saying that he's taking all the feedback and suggestions and giving it to the devs, but Sam said the exact same thing a few months ago, so this process is not new and does not mean 22Cans is going to pay any attention. Matthew, for all his good intentions (and I do believe he's genuinely making an effort) is just for show. It all comes back to Peter Molyneux, in my opinion. I don't know if his misinterpretation of user feedback is deliberate or if he has a real problem understanding people. If it's the former then I guess we all got thoroughly conned. If it's the latter, he badly needs someone with people skills helping him analyse the feedback so we don't get more "how about replacing cards with stickers" inspirations. I am going to go off on a limb and say that this forum might help that stop that in both other places. We have promoted it enough on both other places and let all know that it exists. We did not sign any NDA, unlike the higher backers like the Mod at Steam (did you know that?) and so we can tell anyone anything we know. They are going to have a hard time hiding things when a place like this exists and so now their best PR move is to equal the playing field and tell everyone everything. If they don't more and more people will find other ways to spread the news. They cannot censor twitter, facebook, or youtube either. I said it on Steam and I will say it on here. Anything any none backer wants to know about our experience, please feel free to ask. Many of us will be happy to tell you.
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Post by ghosrath on Mar 18, 2014 16:20:57 GMT
Matthew is great, but I honestly think this is a bandaid solution and he's quickly going to find himself gagged by PM and whoever else is trying to control the flow of information behind the scenes. The problem is deeper than a lack of communication from 22Cans. They weren't telling the community what they were up to because they didn't care what the community thought, so why waste time bothering? After releases they ask for feedback but don't listen to it. Matthew is now saying that he's taking all the feedback and suggestions and giving it to the devs, but Sam said the exact same thing a few months ago, so this process is not new and does not mean 22Cans is going to pay any attention. Matthew, for all his good intentions (and I do believe he's genuinely making an effort) is just for show. It all comes back to Peter Molyneux, in my opinion. I don't know if his misinterpretation of user feedback is deliberate or if he has a real problem understanding people. If it's the former then I guess we all got thoroughly conned. If it's the latter, he badly needs someone with people skills helping him analyse the feedback so we don't get more "how about replacing cards with stickers" inspirations. I am going to go off on a limb and say that this forum might help that stop that in both other places. We have promoted it enough on both other places and let all know that it exists. We did not sign any NDA, unlike the higher backers like the Mod at Steam (did you know that?) and so we can tell anyone anything we know. They are going to have a hard time hiding things when a place like this exists and so now there best PR move is to equal the playing field and tell everyone everything. If they don't more and more people will find other ways to spread the news. They cannot censor twitter, facebook, or youtube either. I said it on Steam and I will say it on here. Anything any none backer wants to know about our experience, please feel free to ask. Many of us will be happy to tell you. That plan might very well backfire, if they want to be forthcoming to backers, but not to buyers and they notice all info leaks they might decide to stop being forthcoming... We'll see, any info is better then the wasteland we had the past couple of months
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Post by muumipeikko on Mar 18, 2014 16:22:26 GMT
I think the problem is simple human nature. Peter has done a lot in the industry and does in fairness deserve respect for what he has done. The problem is Peter is use to calling the shots, he's the guy who says whether something works or not and whether something makes it into production or gets cut onto the floor. Stupidly he did a KS to raise money for Godus and realised that to get the funds he would have to make promises maybe he thought at the time he could keep but simply couldn't. It's difficult going from the guy who everyone listens to, the big boss, a god if you like! to someone to takes constructive feedback from people he probably (maybe rightly) feels are not worthy to tell him how to write a game. It takes a humble man, I don't know Peter but he doesn't come across as a humble man:)
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Post by Qetesh on Mar 18, 2014 16:25:10 GMT
I also think the Umbra alluded to PM not being the true driving force behind some of these decisions.
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Post by muumipeikko on Mar 19, 2014 10:10:23 GMT
I also think the Umbra alluded to PM not being the true driving force behind some of these decisions. Yep, as Trent wold say,,, God money I'll do any thing for you...
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