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Post by rubgish on Aug 5, 2014 19:21:32 GMT
I remember Christians having a proverb about intentions and path to hell. Speaking personally, I'd have a very hard time swallowing morality lessons from you, just saying. *pew pew pew* shots fired. (totally deserved shots, but still pew pew)
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Aug 5, 2014 19:22:31 GMT
Speaking personally, I'd have a very hard time swallowing morality lessons from you, just saying. *pew pew pew* shots fired. (totally deserved shots, but still pew pew) It was a low blow and unworthy of a pro CM, so I deleted that comment. I apologise for posting that, it was immature and non-constructive.
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Post by rubgish on Aug 5, 2014 19:25:25 GMT
It was a low blow and unworthy of a pro CM, so I deleted that comment. I apologise for posting that, it was immature and non-constructive. You are probably correct, however it's an understandable comment, given some of the opinions we've seen.
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Post by morsealworth on Aug 5, 2014 20:16:17 GMT
Speaking personally, I'd have a very hard time swallowing morality lessons from you, just saying. *pew pew pew* shots fired. ( totally deserved shots, but still pew pew) Oh, thank you for your high moral ground and such honest opinion. No matter how much I can comment about the matter of your opinion and its basis, the honesty itself is very, very important to me. Curiously, with the same reason I might be (and quite often am) deemed immoral. P.S. I always understood the proverb as not a question of morality, though. I was thinking of more like the reality always different from what we want it to be, so we can't really guarantee anything we don't already have.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Aug 5, 2014 21:22:13 GMT
You are probably correct, however it's an understandable comment, given some of the opinions we've seen. morsealworth is just as much entitled to his opinions as everyone else here, so I hope this isn't going to lead to singling him out as I'd hate to see that happen.
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Post by rubgish on Aug 5, 2014 22:08:47 GMT
You are probably correct, however it's an understandable comment, given some of the opinions we've seen. morsealworth is just as much entitled to his opinions as everyone else here, so I hope this isn't going to lead to singling him out as I'd hate to see that happen. Would I not also hypothetically be entitled to my opinion of wanting to single him out, if that were to be the case?
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Post by Danjal on Aug 5, 2014 22:41:03 GMT
morsealworth is just as much entitled to his opinions as everyone else here, so I hope this isn't going to lead to singling him out as I'd hate to see that happen. Would I not also hypothetically be entitled to my opinion of wanting to single him out, if that were to be the case? You are free to have that opinion - you aren't necessarily free to act out that desire however. (The same would go both ways aswell as towards other people.) Which would lead to the situation where it is most beneficial to everyone to agree to disagree. Not everyone has to see eye to eye, but things don't have to get nasty because of that. However, if anything - that would be significantly off-topic. So I'd recommend we all get back to that instead of argueing the validity and morality of our fellow forumgoers.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Aug 5, 2014 23:01:05 GMT
morsealworth is just as much entitled to his opinions as everyone else here, so I hope this isn't going to lead to singling him out as I'd hate to see that happen. Would I not also hypothetically be entitled to my opinion of wanting to single him out, if that were to be the case? What I meant was that I've been noticing an increasing amount of disdain for morsealworth around the forum lately ever since that particular thread. You may have strong differences of opinions with him about certain things. Lots of people have differing opinions about all kinds of things. There's nothing wrong with having differing opinions, the world would be pretty boring without them. You can discuss things like Godus with other people and have completely opposite perspectives. Nothing wrong with that. At other times you might find yourself agreeing with those same people you couldn't find common ground with before. So usually disagreements stay within a topic. In this case however I feel that a disagreement that existed in one topic is spilling across the board. It seems some people are taking/making things personal, which in my opinion goes beyond a simple matter of disagreement. I just felt the need to say something about it. Think of this, if that one heated debate had not taken place, would you still have said that same thing? *pew pew pew* shots fired. (totally deserved shots, but still pew pew) I think not.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Aug 5, 2014 23:07:05 GMT
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Post by rubgish on Aug 6, 2014 1:09:26 GMT
Would I not also hypothetically be entitled to my opinion of wanting to single him out, if that were to be the case? What I meant was that I've been noticing an increasing amount of disdain for morsealworth around the forum lately ever since that particular thread. You may have strong differences of opinions with him about certain things. Lots of people have differing opinions about all kinds of things. There's nothing wrong with having differing opinions, the world would be pretty boring without them. You can discuss things like Godus with other people and have completely opposite perspectives. Nothing wrong with that. At other times you might find yourself agreeing with those same people you couldn't find common ground with before. So usually disagreements stay within a topic. In this case however I feel that a disagreement that existed in one topic is spilling across the board. It seems some people are taking/making things personal, which in my opinion goes beyond a simple matter of disagreement. I just felt the need to say something about it. Think of this, if that one heated debate had not taken place, would you still have said that same thing? *pew pew pew* shots fired. (totally deserved shots, but still pew pew) I think not. Of course he is welcome to have his opinion on things, but not every opinion is equally valid and it is silly to think that it is true. From his posts and what I've read of his comments (not just in that thread, you can genuinely go back to his earliest posts and see the sexist stuff coming out), he seems like a very unpleasant person. So yes, it is personal - he's sexist, homophobic & obnoxious. Now you might be okay with letting that continue because it's the internet and people are free to do what they want, but I'm not okay with that. If someone is being sexist, racist, homophobic or generally being an asshole, I am going to call them out on it. Chances are it won't change his behaviour, but if you don't challenge people on their opinions they feel vindicated and think that everyone agrees with them. At least this way, if some random person is reading the threads, they won't read his arguments and think that no-one opposes them. Now if he's going to post productive comments about Godus, I'll happily read the comment & reply if I think there is something I can add to the discussion. As for this thread, I dunno about you, but referencing "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" and nothing else doesn't seem productive. Not that really anything much in this thread or even the whole forum has been very productive lately, but that is probably a discussion for a different time.
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Post by Qetesh on Aug 6, 2014 1:40:55 GMT
I saw nothing wrong with that post Morsealworth made about good intentions. It was very much on topic and when I said I agreed to disagree and dropped that other thread, I meant it. Morsealworth is not an unwelcome poster to this forum regardless of some of his opinions differing from mine. We are all adults here, to the best of my knowledge, and I expect us all to conduct ourselves as such.
This forum is all about open and honest discussions and you can see by the level of activity in this thread it hit a nerve. I would also disagree it was not productive as it led to an end result of Monkeythumbz agreeing to alter the store description in a much more transparent and fair way to future Steam buyers. It was a bit heated at times but sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.
Happy Posting for all.
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Post by 13thGeneral on Aug 6, 2014 3:09:13 GMT
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Aug 6, 2014 10:14:38 GMT
Of course he is welcome to have his opinion on things, but not every opinion is equally valid and it is silly to think that it is true. From his posts and what I've read of his comments (not just in that thread, you can genuinely go back to his earliest posts and see the sexist stuff coming out), he seems like a very unpleasant person. So ehm, who's the judge on whose opinions are valid and whose are not? So yes, it is personal - he's sexist, homophobic & obnoxious. If it is so personal then that seems to warrant discussion in a thread about that specific topic. Another option is to have a private discussion. I don't suppose you'd like to have a private discussion with him though. Now you might be okay with letting that continue because it's the internet and people are free to do what they want, but I'm not okay with that. If someone is being sexist, racist, homophobic or generally being an asshole, I am going to call them out on it. Chances are it won't change his behaviour, but if you don't challenge people on their opinions they feel vindicated and think that everyone agrees with them. At least this way, if some random person is reading the threads, they won't read his arguments and think that no-one opposes them. I agree with your sentiment, but I didn't see him post anything sexist, racist or homophobic in this thread. Now if he's going to post productive comments about Godus, I'll happily read the comment & reply if I think there is something I can add to the discussion. As for this thread, I dunno about you, but referencing "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" and nothing else doesn't seem productive. Not that really anything much in this thread or even the whole forum has been very productive lately, but that is probably a discussion for a different time. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" is just a proverb. It's been around for ages and it wouldn't have been if it didn't have a certain poignant truth about it. A deeply religious person might take offense of it, but the way the phrase was used doesn't appear to have any religious undertone to it. Also, there are no regulations stating that a post has to be productive. If there had been such regulations I would probably have had to string myself up to a tree by now. Look, it might seem like I'm being harsh on you but I would have said these same things to any other member and I would also speak up for any other member if their persona were to become a target. So far it was all very innocent but I've been around the block and I know what these things could lead to if allowed to fester on their own. I just decided to nip it in the bud. This is also not me against you personally. I know there are other people who are of the same opinion as you who might do the same thing, so I am speaking to everyone here. As for my personal opinion on morsealworth, I would say he's rather eccentric. He also seems strongly opinionated and definitely not dumb. None of these things are a reason not to welcome him on the forum. In fact, those could be viewed as admirable traits for a member of any forum. It is apparent to me that his culture is very different from my own. His sense of humour is very different from mine as well, this much is clear from the videos I've seen him post. In my opinion this adds to the variety of the forum. As for the whole debate on sexism and whatnot, I didn't really get into it because I wasn't interested in participating in that discussion. From what I did see of it I have to say that although morsealworth took a rather non-standard (couldn't find the right word) standpoint, he did provide arguments for it. On the other hand there were a whole bunch of people countering with what seemed to be mainly emotionally laden reasoning, which was ironically part of the topic of the thread. Regardless of whether I would agree with him or not, I think despite him being one against many, he managed to hold his own.
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Post by morsealworth on Aug 6, 2014 10:35:56 GMT
As for my personal opinion on morsealworth, I would say he's rather eccentric. He also seems strongly opinionated and definitely not dumb. None of these things are a reason not to welcome him on the forum. In fact, those could be viewed as admirable traits for a member of any forum. It is apparent to me that his culture is very different from my own. His sense of humour is very different from mine as well, this much is clear from the videos I've seen him post. In my opinion this adds to the variety of the forum. Schizophrenia ("split mind"). That's the word you didn't use while having full rights to.
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Post by Casinha on Aug 6, 2014 11:01:22 GMT
As for my personal opinion on morsealworth, I would say he's rather eccentric. He also seems strongly opinionated and definitely not dumb. None of these things are a reason not to welcome him on the forum. In fact, those could be viewed as admirable traits for a member of any forum. It is apparent to me that his culture is very different from my own. His sense of humour is very different from mine as well, this much is clear from the videos I've seen him post. In my opinion this adds to the variety of the forum. Schizophrenia ("split mind"). That's the word you didn't use while having full rights to. Oooh, you should make a different account for each mind within your own without telling us. Or maybe you already have 0_0
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Post by morsealworth on Aug 6, 2014 11:05:20 GMT
Not in that sense, Casinha. It isn't split personality, but rather a shipt in work of different functions within the mind. It makes the schizophrenic removed from the world. Do you, for example, feel that you in the mirror is you? I do know that it is me, and I see that this creature in the mirror does do the same movements. But I do not feel any sense of unity between I before the mirror and Me I see in it. Back on topic of morality. It does seem to be about religion on first glance. But it isn't, though it does use religion as the context. This video is about mindset - conservatism and denial.
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Post by Casinha on Aug 6, 2014 11:15:26 GMT
Not in that sense, Casinha. It isn't split personality, but rather a shipt in work of different functions within the mind. It makes the schizophrenic removed from the world. Do you, for example, feel that you in the mirror is you? I do know that it is me, and I see that this creature in the mirror does do the same movements. But I do not feel any sense of unity between I before the mirror and Me I see in it. Nah, I've never really felt a connection to a mirror image of myself. I do feel that I'm one handsome devil, but I'm only human and that's a topic for another time. That said, I don't really know what the purpose of this thread is, to be honest.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Aug 6, 2014 11:23:06 GMT
Schizophrenia ("split mind"). That's the word you didn't use while having full rights to. Oooh, you should make a different account for each mind within your own without telling us. Or maybe you already have 0_0 Lol! Perhaps rubgish is his alter ego.
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Post by morsealworth on Aug 6, 2014 11:24:04 GMT
Me neither. I guess it was to prevent some derailing the original thread.
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Post by morsealworth on Aug 6, 2014 11:25:37 GMT
Oooh, you should make a different account for each mind within your own without telling us. Or maybe you already have 0_0 Lol! Perhaps rubgish is his alter ego. No thanks. This part of my brain is occupied by a lovely doggirl helping with my subconscious.
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