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Post by hardly on Apr 21, 2015 9:28:17 GMT
I learned today that personal insults towards Mods means a month long ban. :/ In fairness, personal insults against anyone is blatantly against the rules. I'm against personal insults but for intelligent arguments made through satire and derision, especially for those in power. |
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Post by militairensneuvelen on Apr 21, 2015 9:58:46 GMT
I agree.
But every time someone tried to change the way moderation is done on the Steam Godus forums, there was no response.
When addressed, you respond.
Not responding is very much like flipping the finger (in street situations asses get kicked for less).
I don't respond well in those situations, personally.
I called one of them a dickhead for merging another thread for arbitrary reasons.
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Post by zeruelb on Apr 21, 2015 14:00:46 GMT
You can always report their profiles instead of their posts. I know for a fact that if you report a moderator in their own forums they're the ones that deal with the report. I did that once, got banned for 3 days instantly. (reported a post) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 19:49:16 GMT
Do we know if Valve are actually ok with this level of forum manipulation and censorship? Are there other examples people are aware of? Is it worth writing to valve about this rather than our usual complaints about refunds? no valve is not ok with this cause of this they deactivatet the Option to edit Posts for all steam moderators Yup. They used to have "moderators" come along, edit someone's post, then claim all sorts of fake reasons (such as one of Chucklefish's favourite - someone was banned on "racist trolling" for posting a Kool & The Gang - Celebration video) that the actual Steam Community Moderators had to verify. Enough Steam tickets or if the evidence is right there - the one part of those fake "Steam rules" 22cans wanks to on Steam that is actually correct: VALVe will step in on moderator abuse, especially if they try to blame VALVe/Steam. Since the edit feature was abused, VALVe had to take it away. Scummy developers are why we can't have nice things. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 9:53:12 GMT
Oh dear: Some of the debate in this thread misses the point, and in the case of the cheerleader mods I believe that is deliberate. These are the issues as they stand: Will the game be complete in line with the original pledge - PC game first, not watered down for mobile, engaging gameplay, etc, etc, etc. Or will it be spacebased. The game is being developed by a skeleton team of 7-9 people, only two of whom are programmers. This compares with first few years where there were upwards of 22 people working on it and 5-6 programmers. The pace is slow and that is in part due to resources being stripped to work on b-trail. To argue otherwise is to defy reality. 22Cans have not promised not to spacebase the game, they have not even promised to dedicate all the resources (revenue) arising from GODUS back to GODUS. It is in fact reasonable to assume a significant amount of GODUS revenue which could be used for completing the game is instead being used to develop b-trail. 22Cans have presented no roadmap or other recent vision document describing the end state. They have not even discussed the next age. There are no promises beyond "we are working on combat and then we'll get to the other stuff including multiplayer." I accept this approach to a degree but it raises major concerns that 22Cans are working without a long term vision or a plan and it leaves us without a guarantee the ultimate design will move back to a PC focus. Senior people within 22Cans have previously stated that there are major technical and financial barriers to implementing multiplayer as promised by Peter previously. This includes both the Jupiter promise and the watered down hubworld compromise. Although Kyreal has come out with some vague statements (I dont mean that to sound as critical as it does Kyreal) about multiplayer they dont actually count for anything in terms of the question because what surity do they offer? Just that work on multiplayer is to come. No discussion of what type of multiplayer it will be, no confirmation that the technical and financial problems have been solved, or any real timeframe. Ultimately we are in the dark as we were since all we know is the team hope to work on multiplayer at some inderterminant time in the future. Ultimately 22Cans have offered nothing in the form of information that informs us about the status of GODUS. We have combat incoming and after that they'll work through the priorities as they present at that time. That is the sum total of the information we have and the sum total of the commitment we have received. We should all understand that the reason 22Cans dont make promises now is they know the game will only continue being developed as long as Peter allows it to be and it is not impossible that it will be space based in the near future. There is no guarantee that the game wont be spacebased next month, the month after, etc, etc. It could happen. Its likely to happen as soon as the mobile revenue drops below the cost of maintaining the team. Finally if you are considering buying this game be aware it is a poor game (mobile crap) in its current state that you can play for free on iOS and there is no evidence that will improve soon. Future features are speculative and as Steam warns you, you should not buy this game on the hope it will evolve into something better. Hey Hardly, Could you have a read over this post, this might clear up some of the questions you brought in this post. I'm not complaining, I just want a clarification (most likely spelt wrong  ). What do you mean by "Combat won't be persistent/global" Does this mean we will not be playing on the same world? Is it just going to be battles? I liked the idea of being on the same world though... By 'it won't be persistent' I mean it won't be something that happens when you're offline (e.g. Frozen Synapse) Is this a tacit admission that the cash shop, in the first Steam Beta, was really expected to be acceptable? I certainly understand the Dev's lack of presence, and for more reasons than your explanation. But I must ask, How much of the toxicity are you willing to accept is the direct result of 22can's misuse of Kickstarter? How much are you willing to accept is the direct result of 22can's lies about the mobile focus of the title to date? How much are you willing to accept is the direct result of the Mod's incredulously laughable mismanagement of this forum? Or are you going to hide behind the "bullies" theme and claim we are just upset over the time and a few missing details? And no, I don't expect you'll answer. Guess what I do expect? And therein is your problem. Any good will has not been/is not being crushed by delay, but by additional lies, and astoundingly horrible unprofessional PR. Of course the cash shop on Steam wasn't going to be a thing. The nature of developing multiple platforms in VERY early access means that some of these things will be visible. Remember, Godus was live in Early Access a month or two into development. You wouldn't have seen anything from most games by then, never mind a playable version. All of your questions that follow that can be summed up with one answer: We're here, we're continuing to develop the game every day. We're not here to spin, we're not here to spend hours reading poisonous comments (whatever the reason for them). We value constructive criticism and we take it on board but questions like yours don't help make the game better in any way, they purely serve as a way for the community to snipe at a team who are trying to make Godus what it should be. Edit: Dammit BB code formatting. That is some champ deflection right there. "Hi, let me redirect you to a load of waffle made by someone else 7 minutes ago that could barely be said to apply to your post." then runs out of the thread so fast you can see the http vapour trails. Keep this in mind for the next media shitstorm in which they whine and squirm because the same questions they keep evading are put on the spot, while the load of apologetic crap they expect people to believe...isn't believed. |
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Post by arryu on Apr 22, 2015 17:17:49 GMT
You can always report their profiles instead of their posts. I know for a fact that if you report a moderator in their own forums they're the ones that deal with the report. I did that once, got banned for 3 days instantly. (reported a post) If you reported a mod in their own forum and got banned for it that IS abuse of the steam moderators feature and rules. If you have solid proof that this is what happened (and it happened recently enough to still be actionable) then I would contact an official steam moderator asap. When that happens to me (I mod a forum for a steam game myself) I read the post and explain myself. I then leave the report unresolved (I'm unsure, but I believe unresolved reports are eventually looked at my higher ups) so that there's no bias should anything come out of it. I would never ban someone for reporting an abuse against myself unless said report broke steam rules itself (personal attacks, racial slurs, etc.) |
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Post by Qetesh on Apr 22, 2015 17:25:07 GMT
I think it is highly childish to post any "warnings" on an open board. If you need to make a warning, be adult and send a PM. If you feel a need to do so on the open board, you are just acting like you think you are a Mod God and showing off your BS powers.
I like the idea of a forum where you can put your screenshots. If anyone wants help in making a screenshot, feel free to PM us. In chrome you can add an extention where it is a piece of cake.
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Post by zeruelb on Apr 22, 2015 19:36:53 GMT
I did that once, got banned for 3 days instantly. (reported a post) If you reported a mod in their own forum and got banned for it that IS abuse of the steam moderators feature and rules. If you have solid proof that this is what happened (and it happened recently enough to still be actionable) then I would contact an official steam moderator asap. When that happens to me (I mod a forum for a steam game myself) I read the post and explain myself. I then leave the report unresolved (I'm unsure, but I believe unresolved reports are eventually looked at my higher ups) so that there's no bias should anything come out of it. I would never ban someone for reporting an abuse against myself unless said report broke steam rules itself (personal attacks, racial slurs, etc.) I think thats been over a Year ago, so it doesnt really matter anyways. Just lead me to not visit the Godus Steam forums ever since. |
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Post by earlparvisjam on Apr 23, 2015 4:17:50 GMT
I think it is highly childish to post any "warnings" on an open board. If you need to make a warning, be adult and send a PM. If you feel a need to do so on the open board, you are just acting like you think you are a Mod God and showing off your BS powers. I like the idea of a forum where you can put your screenshots. If anyone wants help in making a screenshot, feel free to PM us. In chrome you can add an extention where it is a piece of cake. I especially like it when I get a warning for defending myself against a troll. That's happened at least twice with this project. The last time, I had to come on here just so I could call the mods out for being hypocrites (with documented evidence). That's the worst part, risking being banned for trying to explain one's point of view is shady at best. Hell, I got my only ban (48 hrs) on Godus because I rephrased a PM quote to sound like he was operating a "Free candy" van rather than a game company. There wasn't any offensive language, warning, or discussion, I just got a strange message informing me that I was banned for talking about pedophilia. Later on, when the subject of shady bans was being discussed, none of the mods were willing to cop to actually doing the deed (Muir even claiming it must have been a Steam mod). What's the worst is that I've even defended some of their practices, when they actually were justified. It's really hard to avoid piling on every time a mod acts over there. They've piled on so much bad blood that it's hard to try to be fair-minded at this point. Nearly every post I've made on there in the last two months has been like pulling teeth. I just feel so much frustration, fatigue, and despair for the whole situation it barely feels worth the effort any more. |
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Post by mindless on Apr 23, 2015 7:08:05 GMT
Nearly every post I've made on there in the last two months has been like pulling teeth. I just feel so much frustration, fatigue, and despair for the whole situation it barely feels worth the effort any more. This is how they win, by grinding you down to the point where it feels like a futile effort to continue. Its a battle strategy they are employing to great effect, and it appears to be working. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 10:28:29 GMT
Nearly every post I've made on there in the last two months has been like pulling teeth. I just feel so much frustration, fatigue, and despair for the whole situation it barely feels worth the effort any more. This is how they win, by grinding you down to the point where it feels like a futile effort to continue. Its a battle strategy they are employing to great effect, and it appears to be working. That's what they have ever done. Look at their own forum - they killed it with this strategy. |
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Post by greay on Apr 23, 2015 11:29:06 GMT
This is how they win, by grinding you down to the point where it feels like a futile effort to continue. Its a battle strategy they are employing to great effect, and it appears to be working. That's what they have ever done. Look at their own forum - they killed it with this strategy. Well, that, and the spam. But the forums were pretty much dead before the spam. |
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Post by Qetesh on Apr 23, 2015 18:59:03 GMT
They want them all dead.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 5:12:44 GMT
The silly part is where 22cans acts as if they can expect to have any repeat customers, especially after they provide evidence of going off to go play on a little outing while leaving almost nobody on the title they're expecting us to believe has any future with that number of "developers" (even if you count the production staff).
Sure, they have a brilliant future in the f2p mobile market, where much isn't expected by default.
Take a look at how they had to push the Kickstarter and how sluggish of a turnout that was.
The biggest shame is how 22cans has been a colossal waste of talent of all involved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 21:57:47 GMT
steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/618459405723860235/#c618459931321565925Mandrake, keep in mind that it's simply not possible to copy everything you do on PC onto mobile, since mobile runs out of memory a lot quicker. Also, the mobile audience may simply not be that interested in combat. It can even ruin what they hope to get out of the game. Also, realtime combat and the relative slowness of touch controls may not mix well. Plenty of reason to make the two versions different. Apparently someone didn't even look at the combat design docs and yet 22cans allows them to speak this without correction. That whole thread is troubling, as it really answered little but raised big questions about what has really been happening at 22cans.
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Post by heggers on Apr 25, 2015 13:30:33 GMT
Lets be honest now Aynen, like Muir, knows sweet fuck all as is best ignored
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 20:06:20 GMT
Lets be honest now Aynen, like Muir, knows sweet fuck all as is best ignored Muir has learned some of the worst examples that he comes up with some really batty excuses. He's gonna be another Byron Atkinson-Jones at this rate. Aynen...I think has simply just lost it (or never had it). They're right now playing a PR version of "Dumb and Dumber" by trying to top one load of bollocks with another. If you thought "22cans has successfully made me forget about the Curiosity 'winner' to say stupid shit in defense of this game's development" was bad (in the post above), Muir tried to make it worse. steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/618459405723860235/#c618460171316411318I can't wait to see what Aynen has to say to top this. They're trying to say that game development can only focus upon one thing at a time, when it is in reality only the developer's capability and design focus that decides what you can work on. Since 22cans wants to put on a big show about something while limiting input to what they want...nope, you can only develop upon one thing at a time, just not possible to multi-task or have some developers work on combat while others work on other mechanics - together - so that they're not running around like Keystone Cops trying to construct a house without much real foundation or clue of what the other bollock is doing. If this "can only do one thing at a time" is really how 22cans develops...I'd like to know where they learned this from, because that wasn't how Dungeon Keeper was developed. 22cans will have a lovely Monday trying to explain why they're not even Chucklefish capable (they have developers capable of working on different things, and they're new to the industry, even if what they work on is mostly a show like 22cans is offering as lip-service to Goad Us).Goad Us isn't in a development sprint...quite the opposite - it's an invalid trying to roll themselves across the lawn. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 12:54:53 GMT
More arsepull moderation noted (I really was wondering what they were going to use to top their previous stunts):   When your token muppet troll "fanboy" is shown up and going nowhere, just claim that the other person is "rage posting" to issue a hush ban. Note that said troll - whom the "moderators" invited people to report since they also said it was against their ruleset - isn't banned for trolling or anything else. The moderators are invited to give a real reason for this ban, else it will be reported to VALVe as moderator abuse. Edit:  BONUS OOPS: I wonder how it would look to have their latest Daily...ah, hell with explaining, here's the picture:  |
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Post by Aynen on Apr 27, 2015 13:08:05 GMT
You forgot a piece, I'll help you with that:  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 13:23:13 GMT
You forgot a piece, I'll help you with that: Still missing some...particularly the bit that - in context - proves your moderation reasons to be wholly rubbish.  But thanks for quoting my own quote of what Godus is commonly known by, on Facebook, other forums, and what is surely to be found in a number of those 63% negative of 4,666 user reviews on Steam. |
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