General Godus discussion

I know I'm late to the game.. but WOW...

"There's this overwhelming urge to over-promise because it's such a harsh rule: if you're one penny short of your target then you don't get it. And of course in this instance, the behaviour is incredibly destructive, which is 'Christ, we've only got 10 days to go and we've got to make £100,000, for f**k's sake, lets just say anything'. So I'm not sure I would do that again." -Peter Molyneux-

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It's sure been fun hanging out with all the people here. But I see no reason why we couldn't still keep hanging out.

It's an astounding lack of self awareness. He peverted kickstarter, kickstarter didn't pevert his game. I think this is just a face saving way of saying "I realise my actions have poisoned the kickstarter and early access wells and I know neither I or 22cans will ever successfully tap them again."

That's the old definition, from before Molyneux reinvented it.

Delightful.

There is a general consensus that current Godus sucks. Even PM and Jack have acknowledged that reality from time to time when they feel in an honest mood. The whole justification for the current state put forward by community defenders, 22cans and peter is that it's not done and therefore shouldn't be judged until the finished product is revealed. If Peter is surplus to requirements from a design point of view as has been suggested then what does that say about the completion of Godus? If it is complete or close to complete is it time for 22cans to admit they spent 2 years toiling to produce a turd? That there is no wonderful promised land that peter is taking us, just a wasteland that we predicted 12months ago. I'm for the team redeeming Godus and redeeming 22cans but how will that happen? If the assumption was peter had the vision and peter is AWOL on another project then the best they can do is start pretty much from scratch and we all know that's not financially viable. So really it's game over. I predict this will be another case where 22cans say it's not game over but 6 months or so they will admit that as of this moment Godus was effectively dead. Peter will spin this as his epihany when in reality like many things we called it first.

Thats one thing that has always irked me.

Peter claims we shouldn't judge Godus untill it is "finished", and to cap that statement off he has hinted at certain features "completing" the game - making all the pieces come together if you will.
Yet at the same time he's been unable or unwilling to reveal what this supposed "whole" is.
So how does HE know what the "finished Godus" will look like, if he can't even describe what it is?


While I know that part of it is his fear of promising features. And part of it is most definitely his knowledge that dealing with the devil (freemium mobile advocate DeNA) would not sit well with most gamers...
He's been hiding from his responsibilities all this time. Putting blame at others.
Its the community, its kickstarter, its crowdfunding, its early access, its his childhood as a victim of bullies... Always its something else.
Its his history of overpromising, its the publishers cutting him off so he can't deliver, its... never Peter Molyneux' fault.

HELL even when accounting for the time discrepency - "I went to my team and asked them how long they'd need. Thats what I based my estimation on."
Well, going from 9 months to 24 months seems a pretty MASSIVE failure in estimating how long you'd need...
Which leads back to the matter of responsibility - afterall, as project lead HE is the one in charge of calling deadlines.
He's supposed to be the one to say "Sorry guys, time is running out we need results!" - but no... Its not Peter's fault!


I'll be honest here. If not for people like Matthew, George, Fabs and a number of other cans, this project would've sunk ages ago.
And with that knowledge and the benefit of hindsight it would NOT suprise me at all that the previous "Peter Molyneux" titles became a success *DESPITE* his influence over it, rather than because of his involvement.
His current desire to create some sort of mobile utopia game simply proving that. Seriously, mobile games aren't going to "replace" PC or console gaming.
They fill their own purpose, a purpose that is well founded in a multi-tasking society where people have an unconcious need to DO something and keep themselves busy all the time.



I hadn't even 'actively' realized this before, but its true. People go stircrazy if they're not doing something. Even if that something is as pointless as a cookie clicker.
Peter's mistake isn't that he's making the wrong game, its that he's making it with the wrong underlying motive.
He's trying to make an "idle game", a cow/cookie clicker - while tapping into the vast audience of mobile users and social networking. (Which is clever and could very wel thrive...)
Then he wants to tie that together with the serious nature of PC and console gaming, he's trying to turn the 'idle game' into an 'active game', or atleast draw in the active gamer into the idle game.
And on top of that he's lacing his own fears and emotions into it - why does he not want people to communicate? Because he himself sucks at it. He doesn't like talking to people or interacting with people, he'd much rather stay in his own little world.

While it is true that when people interact and communicate, conflict inevitably arrises - its also true that conflict is one of the SOLE driving forces behind humanities progression.
Why hide from progression?

I don't want to be an asshole but is part of the problem that peter is working on another fucking game! Sorry I had to get that out of my system.

Thanks for the update george it is perfectly reasonable and I have no problem waiting until the new year.

Can't say I'm particularly surprised.