steam/ 22 cons moderation

I think that was in fact part of his coming aboard. Shortly after we started seeing that stuff pop up and threads get moved about, I tweeted some thoughts concerning that decision, and he appeared to briefly discuss it with me. We obviously didn't come to any agreement regarding it, but so far as I can tell it seems like it wasn't aimed at being a malicious move. More than anything, it appears it wasn't thoroughly thought out, so no strict guidelines were put in place for how to move threads about, leading to what we saw from Dave/Aynen/Muir which at least with the latter two is kind of par for the course in terms of walking straight into landmines.

It honestly looked like they were copying Keen Software House's forums - as KSH did the same thing - simply on a "monkey see, monkey do" basis of trying to achieve the same results by some emulation.  KSH similarly did their forum split to try and hide discussion about their company's history, which included taking pre-orders for a Miner Wars MMO, then Miner Wars 2081 flopped hard as a one-trick pony (destructible terrain!).

When that re-organisation didn't really do anything but make the hiding obvious, a structure they kind of locked themselves into after making it, then they actually had to try something that worked.

Sorry, the only thing that actually pulled KSH's reputation back from the bog wasn't the forum re-organisation, but rather stopping the silly buggers being played with the topics.  They were at first just outright banning anyone who mentioned MW2081, much like the CodeHatch folks were banning anyone who mentioned StarForge in relation to Reign of Kings* and if folks could expect anything different.  KSH also had to make concessions to those who pre-ordered the MMO since they weren't in any position to offer refunds at the time.

I like redemption stories, really - they allow me to point out their resultant success to others.

Keen Software House went from a small team to now two teams able to work on each of their Engineers title - while showing their work and being open with the community as per the entire point of Early Access - and each title acquires features from the other.

Now that's something, and all of that together are why their forums aren't such a mess - they treated their community with more respect, regained hope from those they had previously lost, and have been doing far better as a result.  Keep in mind that had to happen BEFORE that former community was willing to look at their new game.

However, the main difference is that 22cans have been doing a lot more than simply whitewashing a forum.

* - More like Medieval Kidnapping Simulator 2015.  I can understand various simulations, but this gameplay is rather a sick bit of interactive torture porn.


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However, that Twitter conversation is...well, now given the evidence I have collated about the delete&libel moderation, what explanation does colin22cans have to currently offer?



Ohboy...I hope he's been paying attention to the forums since.

Since he's a developer he should be able to see all the examples of where moderators will delete unflattering posts, then users are libeled and then antagonised by the moderators until the moderators can find a convenient arsepull of an excuse to ban them, either for the real rules or the fake ones 22cans uses upon the Steam Community while misrepresenting them as being from VALVe.

Speaking of which, does Colin have any input about the fake "Steam rules" the moderation have been using to whitewash what they don't want to see?

simon22cans , how about you as well?  This is one of the big problems the community have been facing upon Steam - the ONLY place 22cans has for a digital distribution despite selling keys all over elsewhere on routine sale like they're trying to squeeze out all they can from the game before Spacebasing it (since they don't have much to share on dev plans that suggests that dev plans even exist...in an Early Access title...)

Aynen , muir, any further thoughts?

 nope actual PR is outside of the scope of these forums.....

but apparently he can get the art department to whip up a banner while still remaining silent on permanent bans and libel.... Way to prioritize is your job PR or art btw? I see which one you do more with so far.


Seriously look at your to do list guys start with important stuff and stop condescending to us with sillyness I guess your art deptarment is the only one with time because other than telling us more of the Soonus lines... art and art contests are the only new thing.