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Post by Crumpy Six on Jan 13, 2016 18:02:05 GMT
Yes, the avatar is meant to be ironic.
I disagree with the concept that having a cheat day puts me back to day 1. Yeah, it becomes Dryish January. I'll go with that. On a failure, I can either say "fuck it, we're back to day 1" in which case I probably get frustrated and scrap the whole thing altogether. Long-term result: I have two sober weeks and then go straight back to my old habits Or I can have my two pre-defined cheat days, take the extra 2 weeks in February, call it Dryish January and realise some benefits from the experience.
If I was pregnant I would not drink a drop for the entire 9 months. But I'm not pregnant.
I watched an interesting series of documentaries on the BBC a couple of years ago, where they were examining approaches to calorie control and weight loss. They split a group of overweight dieters into two groups and gave each group a cake. Both groups were told it was someone's birthday and the cake was to celebrate (so, 'cheat' circumstances). They told one group that each slice of cake had 100 calories. The other group was told each slice of cake had 400 calories. So what happened?
Result: the group who was told the cake had 400 calories per slice ate an astonishing 8 times more cake than the other group. The conclusion was that the other group felt comfortable that a 100-calorie slice of cake could be accommodated within their diets, as long as they ate just one. The 400-calorie group, on the other hand, felt like they had instantly blown their diet so why bother. This defeatist attitude is the ruin of many diets and, no doubt, many a Dry January.
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Post by Qetesh on Jan 13, 2016 19:36:57 GMT
As far as your body is concerned it does. If you have a drink at 22 days in, you stopped for 22 days. If you stop again for another week, then you have 7, if you stop again for 2 weeks, then you have 14.
Being a bit pregnant was just used as an idiom.
Alcohol produces toxins that is processed by your liver. If you drink one drink, you have alcohol in your body. Your body was not cleansed for 30 days, it starts over. Your tolerance will also not change because you are giving your body a top up of booze instead of allowing it to deplete.
I am not judging whether or not, you have an addiction either, I have never said you did. I am just telling you as the daughter of an alcoholic and one that loves her own wine and worked in medical industry with many alcohol related illnesses. You are starting at day one in your abstaining. It would be different for your body if you stop for a full straight month than taking a few cheat days. I stopped for 9 months for my pregnancy, it would have been very different if I had 2 cheat days a month. I completely removed alcohol from my body and I did stop thinking about it.
Food diets are a different beast from abstaining from alcohol. Food diets are long term with a specific finite goal, lose X amount of weight, then you have to train yourself to eat a bit more to stop losing but not gain. Cutting back on alcohol can be just a general cut back, or a limited time of abstaining or a permanent stop. Unlike food, you can stop if you wish, however alcohol builds a tolerance in your system that food does not. It has too many differences to compare fairly.
Also, many more people say screw it, I did enough after cheat days and give up on diets from cheat days. It can be much harder to stop yourself from drinking again the next time. I watched my Dad stop for weeks then give in for "just one day" many many times. Mostly he would be back at it for months to come. He was an alcoholic. He did have an addiction. He also had always had reasons to drink. He quit for good when he was much older a few years before he died, he stopped with no exceptions for 5 years till the end. I also bartended for years and watched the same cycle for many of my regulars. Cheat days for drinkers are BAD. Cheat days for Food dieters are good.
I think it's your choice and you know what you want and that is all that matters. More power to what you are doing. This is a great way to experience some health benefits and cut back overall if that is what your goal is.
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Post by Crumpy Six on Jan 13, 2016 22:49:25 GMT
Put it this way: If I make it to the end of January, and I have only consumed alcohol on my two pre-defined 'cheat' days, I will be incredibly pleased with myself.
I'm not particularly trying to achieve detox, though I am interested to see the physical results of abstaining. So far it's hard to tell. While it's only been 13 days, it's the longest I have gone without a drink since... I don't even know.
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Post by Aynen on Jan 13, 2016 22:54:36 GMT
I'd recommend looking into yourself to know what battles you can win, and not to be tempted into fighting a battle someone else feels you should be fighting. Being confident of being able to make the goal you've set is a prime ingredient for completing that goal. If it's someone else's goal that you adopt because they think you should, your heart won't be in it. Succeeding at a small goal is much better for self-improvement than trying and failing at completing a bigger goal. Especially when self-feedback is a factor.
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Post by hardly on Jan 13, 2016 23:18:23 GMT
Cold Turkey is best when quitting. I think even adding days on does not negate these "cheat days". You have to pick a month with no exemptions, reasons, rationalizations or cheat days. You can't be a little pregnant and you can't sorta quit drinking. You are not planning on quitting I know, but if you pick a dry month. You don't drink for a whole straight month. It's 30 days straight or you are putting your stopping back at 1. That's why in Movies they lose their "chips" in AA even if they have one drink. I don't want to piss you off, what you are doing is still great but if you have drinking 2 days in Jan and add 2 weeks in Feb then you don't have a Dry January. You have a dryish Jan and Feb. It's not the same. Your body will get a taste for it again and your liver will process it again and you are back at square one. If you don't plan on quitting and just really cutting back you could become weekend warriors. If you just want to cleanse your mind and body of it for a month, then abstain on B-days and visits or pick one without any. There's always a reason to drink. I think your Avator of drunk bear is meant to be ironic? I disagree somewhat. If Crumpy is feeling less urge to drink then it is helping. The other point is she/they are breaking some of the associations with drinking which I think is very important. Proving they could board game/socialise without alcohol seems a very important step. I think given her goals it is possible to deleverage yourself from consumption rather than give it up. However I do agree that cheat days do need to be managed carefully. Ba'al's point about close substitutes seems valid as well. In terms of other calories this seems like a likely by product since by not drinking you've cut a lot out.
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Post by Crumpy Six on Jan 14, 2016 13:10:11 GMT
Liking the discussion here. Alcohol and drinking culture affects most people to some extent; some more profoundly than others.
People also change their attitudes to drinking throughout their lives. When I was a teenager I was teetotal (in some cultures this would go without saying, but in the UK it's common for teenagers to drink). In my first year at university, I drank three glasses of wine at a Formal and got stupidly sick. From this point I got silly about booze, drank to get drunk and semi-regularly would drink to the point of throwing up.
I can't remember why, but after graduating I changed my attitude to drinking and went back to being almost teetotal. I barely drank at all while I lived in Japan. I think I was partly influenced by being disgusted and appalled by some of the drunken stories I heard from friends during my final year at uni.
After settling back into a stable life in the UK, drinking became a part of my lifestyle again, mainly at weekends. Drinking regularly in the week is something that only began in the last year or two.
Wednesday 13th January
At work, my colleagues reported their own experiences of Dry January. One girl was planning on doing Dry January with me but gave up on Saturday to the tune of 4 glasses of wine. She has decided to give up on no-alcohol this month (but has continued to abstain from crisps and chocolate, which was also part of her personal commitment). Another girl isn't really on board with Dry January, but her husband is trying to impose healthy living for the New Year which involves reduced alcohol. She complains about this regularly and is not really making any concessions to it.
We went to the boxing gym in the evening. I don't know for sure that Dry January is contributing to additional gym visits. We always aim to go twice a week but normally end up going once. Having been twice this week, I feel really good about myself and definitely feel a lot more switched-on today at work. I weighed myself at the gym at it put me at 52kg. I don't weigh myself often to know if I've lost anything since I started Dry January, but at least I haven't sustained any long-term gains from Slovenly December.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jan 14, 2016 15:25:26 GMT
52 kg is nothing. Best be wary those winter storms don't blow you out to sea.
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Post by Crumpy Six on Jan 14, 2016 15:38:35 GMT
Weight loss is not one of my goals (though I wouldn't mind being more toned!). Given my poor diet choices, including alcohol and lots of sugar, I wasn't sure whether to expect rapid changes in my body this month with the lack of alcohol and increased exercise.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jan 14, 2016 18:26:32 GMT
The only way you can expect real changes in your body is if you move a lot. Changing diet doesn't do much in comparison.
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Post by hardly on Jan 14, 2016 19:48:14 GMT
The only way you can expect real changes in your body is if you move a lot. Changing diet doesn't do much in comparison. Actually, with regard to weight that's not true, studies have shown intake is very important. If you meant toning etc as Crumpy mentioned, that obviously requires excercise and activity. I noted that body builders manipulate their diet to achieve their peak physique prior to a performance.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jan 14, 2016 20:16:24 GMT
That's talking about extremes. Sure if you wanna be a top body builder then you gotta be very conscious about your food intake. But if you're just an average Joe who thinks they could be in better shape, exercise is the way to go. Theoretically you can eat all the crap you want as long as you move enough to burn it. I'm not saying food has nothing to do with it. I'm thinking maybe 10 to 20% is food and 80 to 90% is exercise.
Not to mention that changing food habits won't get you in better shape all by itself. If you're looking to get more fit, you gotta move.
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Post by hardly on Jan 15, 2016 1:01:51 GMT
That's talking about extremes. Sure if you wanna be a top body builder then you gotta be very conscious about your food intake. But if you're just an average Joe who thinks they could be in better shape, exercise is the way to go. Theoretically you can eat all the crap you want as long as you move enough to burn it. I'm not saying food has nothing to do with it. I'm thinking maybe 10 to 20% is food and 80 to 90% is exercise. Not to mention that changing food habits won't get you in better shape all by itself. If you're looking to get more fit, you gotta move. Nah, I'm pretty sure you are wrong there. You need to do exercise to be healthy, but if you want to be thin then it's like 80%-90% diet and 10%-20% exercise. I'm not advocating skipping the exercise part, just that for many people exercise alone won't get them there. I'm too lazy to find articles backing up my claims and I'm near my mobile data cap.
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Post by hardly on Jan 15, 2016 1:04:57 GMT
Another interesting point is the evidence on tasting. Apparently fasting for just a few days per month is really good for you. Who knew.
By the way I'm not encouraging starvation here, I'm just pointing out the importance of diet and exercise.
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Post by hardly on Jan 15, 2016 1:05:35 GMT
Another interesting point is the evidence on tasting. Apparently fasting for just a few days per month is really good for you. Who knew. By the way I'm not encouraging starvation here, I'm just pointing out the importance of diet and exercise.[/quote That should read fasting not tasting.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jan 15, 2016 5:32:19 GMT
Lol, but I like tasting.
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Post by Crumpy Six on Jan 17, 2016 11:07:29 GMT
Friday 15th January
We went out to dinner, and then to the cinema to see Room. Going out to dinner used to be a drinking occasion nearly every time, but we're getting a lot better at ordering soft drinks. This is partly because, with it being winter and often unpleasant cycling conditions, one of us is often a designated driver. I tried to order an alcohol-free beer but they didn't have any, which surprised me. It's a popular UK restaurant chain (Bella Italia) and I had assumed they would stock that kind of thing.
Saturday 16th January ('cheat' day)
This was cheat day. We had been looking forward to it all week, but looking back, I have mixed feelings. The occasion was great and if I'd enforced Dry January, I think I might be sitting here typing "I wish I could have had a drink with my friend on her birthday". In the end though, it reminded me of reasons not to drink. I think I could have done it alcohol free if I had tried.
I had three pints of ale, which is a lot for me. I had a Becks Blue between pints 2 and 3, and resisted either another half or a Baileys coffee when they called last orders. Even after one pint, I start feeling the effects of alcohol: most noticeably, I start talking about something then lose my thread and forget what point I'm trying to make. I was around a lot of people I'd never met before. I always think alcohol helps me socialise, but I'm beginning to suspect a lot of the things I say to strangers when I'm drunk come across as weird and inappropriate.
I slept badly, woke up with a bit of a headache and have been in an irritable mood all morning. I'm thinking of cancelling my next cheat day (Friday 22nd).
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jan 17, 2016 12:00:03 GMT
Good on you.
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Post by Aynen on Jan 17, 2016 12:17:38 GMT
If you go through with cancelling your next cheat day, that innitiative will have come from yourself, and I'm confident you can succeed.
Ganbatte!
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Post by Crumpy Six on Jan 18, 2016 8:38:43 GMT
Thanks all This experiment has been a learning experience if nothing else. Sunday 17th JanuaryThere were a few challenges today: firstly, we hosted an extended board games session (2pm til midnight) including a few people we don't know that well. Secondly, having had a few drinks the day before I wasn't sure if cravings would come back. Thirdly, my husband wanted to extend 'cheat day' to include the whole weekend. His reasoning was that our guests might bring booze, or we might need to open a bottle of wine for them. Here's how it worked out: 1. These guys are cool and were completely unconcerned about whether we drank or not. 2. I did start craving beer in the evening, but it went away. I drank about 4 non-alcoholic beers over the course of the evening. 3. We opened a bottle of wine so our friend could have a glass, and my husband drank the rest of it. Normally if one of us breaks the other does too. This is one of the very rare occasions where he's had a drink and I haven't.
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Post by Aynen on Jan 18, 2016 8:58:31 GMT
Well done, Crumpy!
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