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Post by Qetesh on Aug 8, 2015 11:49:06 GMT
A small note, however, that it only affects businesses that already have at least a neutral reputation. Otherwise, the contrast only raises bigotry concerns. UPD: Lord Ba'al got before me. In America this is not really true. Only those in direct line of fire tend to hold those grudges. Martha Stewart and Paula Dean are still beloved by many. One is a racist and the other an embezzler, but they are both queens of PR. Their multi million dollar businesses are both thriving today. Good PR was huge reason for this. |
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Post by Deth on Aug 8, 2015 13:19:37 GMT
Yea we Americans have short memories and always root for the underdog and love a comeback.
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Post by heggers on Aug 9, 2015 10:42:48 GMT
Yea we Americans have short memories and always root for the underdog and love a comeback. Like Paris Hilton? (sorry saw the Parks and Roc bit and couldn't let it pass) |
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Post by Aynen on Aug 10, 2015 9:06:21 GMT
Any such actions on behalf of 22cans would not have any positive results among backers if the concerns of the backers are not adressed first. Sure, but we are but a fraction of their wanted demographics. It might sound like playing dirty but do you really think Exxon is forgiven by anyone affected directly by their spill? Sad truth is, aside from them most others don't care anymore and every charitable thing Exxon does is positively appreciated. I didn't say it was right, just an example of How to do Good PR. See this is a big deal. From my perspective, this principle applies here also, but in reverse. As you said, every charitable thing Exxon does is positively appreciated, but I doubt that people who were directly affected by damage caused by them will give much of a crap. It's just that Exxon's target demographic is wider than those affected. 22Cans is in a similar situation, they've made mistakes in the past which affected kickstarter backers the most. Now if the game is given new features, people who weren't affected by the mistakes of the past will judge those features very differently from how most kickstarter backers will. And here on this forum, most of you are kickstarter backers. So even though they have a wider demographic, that doesn't apply here, or on Steam for that matter. Any positive effect of good PR they do now positively affects mostly the people who don't frequent these forums. Over here though, the reaction that is most common is 'just do what you promised'. (which isn't a wrong reaction, just not one you can't use to tell if you're making steps in the right direction) |
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Post by militairensneuvelen on Aug 11, 2015 6:17:04 GMT
The big difference, Exxon is (being held) accountable...
They paid a few billion couple of hundred million dollars ($507.000.000'ish) for the cleanup and economic damage and.
22cons never even apologised.
And when has 22cons done something charitable (for this community) recently?
Let me say just this : Bryan Henderson. Even he get's the finger.
So, giving this example of Exxon, you showed you know JACK ALL about PR.
Comparing Exxon with Cons...
Priceless....
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Post by Aynen on Aug 11, 2015 9:05:48 GMT
The big difference, Exxon is (being held) accountable... They paid a few billion couple of hundred million dollars ($507.000.000'ish) for the cleanup and economic damage and. 22cons never even apologised. And when has 22cons done something charitable (for this community) recently? Let me say just this : Bryan Henderson. Even he get's the finger. So, giving this example of Exxon, you showed you know JACK ALL about PR. Comparing Exxon with Cons... Priceless.... I wasn't comparing charities. Besides, they did do the ice bucket challenge and the accompanying donation to ILS research. But as I said, that's beside the point. I wasn't comparing their charity work. |
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Post by Tau on Aug 11, 2015 16:21:34 GMT
Besides, they did do the ice bucket challenge and the accompanying donation to ILS research. But as I said, that's beside the point. I wasn't comparing their charity work. Funny... one scam supporting another scam. |
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Post by morsealworth on Aug 19, 2015 23:22:05 GMT
Yea we Americans have short memories and always root for the underdog and love a comeback. |
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Post by mindless on Aug 21, 2015 11:44:18 GMT
For the first time in a long time, i've actually seen some quality moderating going on over on the steam boards, here is a post from Aynen, in response to a message that I had posted to the steam forums. Rather than just hitting the delete button without warning, we actually see something different for a change...  Now this is a little more like how a board should be run. Trying to engage with your community, giving them advanced notification, and expressing the reason behind your impending decisions, giving people time to respond and/or correct their posts (As a result, I opted to edit my post to remove any mention of the legal aspect). This is actually great stuff, it seams we are finally making progress here, it's been a long time coming, lets hope it continues. |
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Post by Aynen on Aug 21, 2015 11:49:07 GMT
For the first time in a long time, i've actually seen some quality moderating going on over on the steam boards, here is a post from Aynen, in response to a message that I had posted to the steam forums. Rather than just hitting the delete button without warning, we actually see something different for a change... Now this is a little more like how a board should be run. Trying to engage with your community, giving them advanced notification, and expressing the reason behind your impending decisions, giving people time to respond and/or correct their posts (As a result, I opted to edit my post to remove any mention of the legal aspect). This is actually great stuff, it seams we are finally making progress here, it's been a long time coming, lets hope it continues. I'll certainly keep that in mind. Thanks for the feedback. |
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Post by militairensneuvelen on Aug 22, 2015 9:15:44 GMT
For the first time in a long time, i've actually seen some quality moderating going on over on the steam boards, here is a post from Aynen, in response to a message that I had posted to the steam forums. Rather than just hitting the delete button without warning, we actually see something different for a change... Now this is a little more like how a board should be run. Trying to engage with your community, giving them advanced notification, and expressing the reason behind your impending decisions, giving people time to respond and/or correct their posts (As a result, I opted to edit my post to remove any mention of the legal aspect). This is actually great stuff, it seams we are finally making progress here, it's been a long time coming, lets hope it continues. I'll certainly keep that in mind. Thanks for the feedback. It would be the very first piece of feedback given in ~3 years that would be used for something useful. That's an improvement... You actions would speak louder than words. But alas... you still suck at moderating (first perm banning someone and 3 hours later, come to the conclusion that the OP was baiting. Thread closed. The banned person is still banned...) Worse than your management (or is your management behind this. Kick the sum'bitch at the first chance...??) Anyway, a clear showing of failmoderation P.S. still waiting for a response....about my arbitrary ban. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 23:09:50 GMT
This is Scott Cawthon. Scott Cawthon released a sub-par product on Steam. Scott Cawthon wasn't happy with the reviews or quality of his product. Scott Cawthon asked Steam to allow refunds for his product regardless of time spent playing. Scott Cawthon committed to polishing up the game and releasing something that met his standards. Scott Cawthon cares about his reputation, his franchise, and his fans. Scott Cawthon is smart. Be like Scott Cawthon. Kotaku Article |
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Post by hardly on Jan 26, 2016 1:33:06 GMT
This is Scott Cawthon. Scott Cawthon released a sub-par product on Steam. Scott Cawthon wasn't happy with the reviews or quality of his product. Scott Cawthon asked Steam to allow refunds for his product regardless of time spent playing. Scott Cawthon committed to polishing up the game and releasing something that met his standards. Scott Cawthon cares about his reputation, his franchise, and his fans. Scott Cawthon is smart. Be like Scott Cawthon. Kotaku ArticleWow. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 18:23:37 GMT
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Post by hardly on Feb 10, 2016 18:25:34 GMT
Wow I'm genuinely surprised, long may it continue. |
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Post by Crumpy Six on Feb 10, 2016 18:36:25 GMT
I wonder if they've been following any of the reviews on these boards? I couldn't stand the layout of the Steam boards, with a new thread for every element of feedback.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 19:04:50 GMT
I wonder if they've been following any of the reviews on these boards? I couldn't stand the layout of the Steam boards, with a new thread for every element of feedback. Good question. They are obviously trying to drive the assertion that any and all effective communication is happening there, and that feedback given on their turf is being actioned. With that in mind, I highly doubt they'd ever pop over to affirm that helpful feedback here is being processed, whether it is or not. Who knows though, maybe in a show of good faith/new leaves someone will show up with a friendly "hey thanks <person>, your thoughtful feedback helped make Godus Wars better, regardless of the platform you used to express it." Stranger things have happened. |
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Post by Mandrake on Feb 10, 2016 22:21:54 GMT
Good question. They are obviously trying to drive the assertion that any and all effective communication is happening there, and that feedback given on their turf is being actioned. With that in mind, I highly doubt they'd ever pop over to affirm that helpful feedback here is being processed, whether it is or not. Who knows though, maybe in a show of good faith/new leaves someone will show up with a friendly "hey thanks <person>, your thoughtful feedback helped make Godus Wars better, regardless of the platform you used to express it." Stranger things have happened. I think a few words of thanks is the least that someone could do for those paying to zeta test Godus for 22cans' eventual mobile release. That's what kind of amazing franchise that they have - people pay them to test the software for them! Simply business genius!  |
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Post by Crumpy Six on Feb 11, 2016 0:02:31 GMT
Good question. They are obviously trying to drive the assertion that any and all effective communication is happening there, and that feedback given on their turf is being actioned. With that in mind, I highly doubt they'd ever pop over to affirm that helpful feedback here is being processed, whether it is or not. Who knows though, maybe in a show of good faith/new leaves someone will show up with a friendly "hey thanks <person>, your thoughtful feedback helped make Godus Wars better, regardless of the platform you used to express it." Stranger things have happened. I think a few words of thanks is the least that someone could do for those paying to zeta test Godus for 22cans' eventual mobile release. That's what kind of amazing franchise that they have - people pay them to test the software for them! Simply business genius! Well frankly, a thank you wouldn't have gone amiss. I spent a couple of days playing Godus Wars through and taking the trouble to write it up, and it wasn't just for the sake of mocking it. Nobody from 22Cans has even asked for any details on the repeated crashes or whatever that you might have expected them to give a shit about. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 0:31:07 GMT
I think a few words of thanks is the least that someone could do for those paying to zeta test Godus for 22cans' eventual mobile release. That's what kind of amazing franchise that they have - people pay them to test the software for them! Simply business genius! Well frankly, a thank you wouldn't have gone amiss. I spent a couple of days playing Godus Wars through and taking the trouble to write it up, and it wasn't just for the sake of mocking it. Nobody from 22Cans has even asked for any details on the repeated crashes or whatever that you might have expected them to give a shit about. Do you think they're purposefully ignoring your effort simply because it was posted here instead of Steam? If so... that is kinda lame, since we can all venture a guess that at the very least Aynen is still actively logging into this forum. Edit: no guessing required, there he is, on the "Memebers that have logged in the last 24 hours" ticker. Hey Aynen , What do you think of Crumpy's thorough write up? |
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