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Post by Crumpy Six on Aug 1, 2014 9:21:15 GMT
I've just been reading through that monumental "Good job on the game guys" thread on Steam and it really is an embarrassment to the 22Cans community team.
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Aug 1, 2014 9:56:27 GMT
I've just been reading through that monumental "Good job on the game guys" thread on Steam and it really is an embarrassment to the 22Cans community team. I'm disappointed in myself for you feeling that way. All I can do is apologise, hold ourselves up to account... and get a blog out. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Aug 1, 2014 10:22:07 GMT
I've just been reading through that monumental "Good job on the game guys" thread on Steam and it really is an embarrassment to the 22Cans community team. What is up with that thread? (I'm lazy and can't be bothered with reading it myself  ) |
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Post by hardly on Aug 1, 2014 10:33:31 GMT
Summary: person liked GODUS, people who don't like GODUS said they didn't like it, OP asked why do you hate it some much, people responded, they thrashed it out for a bit, mods asked negative people to tone it down, negative people felt picked on, mods, OP and negative people hugged it out, samvt appeared and reminded people how to mod. Everyone was friends.
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Post by hardly on Aug 1, 2014 10:41:51 GMT
I think part of the problem is that your opinion of GODUS is heavily influenced by when you started playing. For example if you were in the prealpha then you are likely to be the most jaded since you've waited the longest for progress and seen the most transgressions. If you just started playing now then you see a game that's not terrible (although I maintain it is boring, overly F2P and too controlling of the player) and still in development with a major update coming in a week. Of course this person is going to give GODUS/22Cans the benefit of the doubt. Whether they will in 6 months is another question. I don't know whether or not it is the right approach to try inform/convert these people. Part of me says yes it is, another part says let them be and hope they catch up in a few months.
By the way I think earl/sw were very measured and reasonable in their debates. Just my two cents.
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Post by muumipeikko on Aug 1, 2014 14:46:01 GMT
Summary: person liked GODUS, people who don't like GODUS said they didn't like it, OP asked why do you hate it some much, people responded, they thrashed it out for a bit, mods asked negative people to tone it down, negative people felt picked on, mods, OP and negative people hugged it out, samvt appeared and reminded people how to mod. Everyone was friends. I hate it what that happens, Go big or go home... Nothing worse than everyone ending up on the top of the hill hugging and singing "I'd like to teach the world to sing..." while Jack 'strums' along on his crappy acoustic Guitar...
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Post by earlparvisjam on Aug 1, 2014 17:16:14 GMT
I've tried to be respectful to moderators but it's hard when I feel like they're being antagonistic. To an extent, I expect Aynen to whip out pom poms and start cheering, with his rose-tinted view of things, in this situation. Muir loves to get heavy handed, so I'm not too surprised. But when moderators are responding with clear hypocracy, I lose all respect. TheFirstDeity's apology for the insult was a breach of Steam Forum rules and YOU DID NOTHING. It is against the rules to circumvent the profanity filter and he did it twice. Here, I'll emphasize it for you: A little advice, if you see me come anywhere close to insulting another poster, it's going to be in response to an insult to me. That thread, and what you've posted on here has done a lot of harm to what respect you've built up in the few months you've been around. (QFT, indeed...) , that's a good point about the breach of Steam's profanity filters. Sincere apologies - I realise it's not much of excuse, but as you can imagine there's a ton of posts both I and the mod team read every day and that must have slipped through the net. I'll flag it now and ask one of the mods to FR TheFirstDeity and PM him with a word of warning. As for the QFT, I do stand by that and I think Aynen made a good point. It was getting lost in the course of that thread so I bumped it. It's a bit offputting that you missed him insulting me, missed his apology post with the blatant rules violations, but were observant enough to spot my rebuttal and call me out as that thread's problem on this forum. It's hard to continue to talk respectful when the resolution of this whole thing is this: How is this a personal attack, much less illogical jibberish? |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Aug 1, 2014 22:20:14 GMT
Maybe you used too many comparative analogies? Honestly, some people just are unable to grasp idea-expression dichotomy and abstractions within a dictum.
Essentially, it required an ounce of imagination to logically follow {sorry, was that mean?}. And I actually thought it was a rather effective use of common knowledge imagery. *shrug*
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Post by banned on Aug 3, 2014 1:02:00 GMT
Yikes, that's a good point about the breach of Steam's profanity filters. Sincere apologies - I realise it's not much of excuse, but as you can imagine there's a ton of posts both I and the mod team read every day and that must have slipped through the net. I'll flag it now and ask one of the mods to FR TheFirstDeity and PM him with a word of warning. As for the QFT, I do stand by that and I think Aynen made a good point. It was getting lost in the course of that thread so I bumped it. It's a bit offputting that you missed him insulting me, missed his apology post with the blatant rules violations, but were observant enough to spot my rebuttal and call me out as that thread's problem on this forum. It's hard to continue to talk respectful when the resolution of this whole thing is this: How is this a personal attack, much less illogical jibberish? Gee, wonder why "troll" I shall never bother with the steam forum again? Oh, except to be sure and retell to everyone. Sadly, seems that some folks think it is still 1990's marketing wise. |
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Post by muumipeikko on Aug 3, 2014 8:48:06 GMT
I think the answer is simple, if you want a balanced forum not run by thinly vailed 22Cans puppets then this is the place for you. If your the sort of person who thinks a great holiday is going to north Korea to preach about the virtues of free thinking and capitalism and having your head beaten by the authorities until you agree black is white and white is black then Steam or the official 22Cans forum are the place to do that.
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Post by Qetesh on Aug 3, 2014 10:26:03 GMT
I think the answer is simple, if you want a balanced forum not run by thinly vailed 22Cans puppets then this is the place for you. If your the sort of person who thinks a great holiday is going to north Korea to preach about the virtues of free thinking and capitalism and having your head beaten by the authorities until you agree black is white and white is black then Steam or the official 22Cans forum are the place to do that. *Checks self* Yep, no veil on here. LOL |
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Post by banned on Aug 3, 2014 14:20:45 GMT
When OP praises Godus or 22cans and you have a different opinion:OP accuse you to only dislike this game/company because you don't understand that its unfinished - you're not allowed to give him other reasons than lack of features. OP says that people who dislike Godus just fling poop and questions their intelligence - you're not allowed to point out how much constructive posts and summarization you and other community member posted in the past. You're also not allowed to defend yourself. OP asks a question - You're not allowed to answer it. OP falsely assumes something - You're not allowed to state facts not even with sources. OP asks you to elaborate your perspective - Doing so is disrespectful, trolling and flame-baiting. OP says that he wouldn't discourage negative posts - doesn't matter, discussing with him is the same as insulting him and his family and his great grandmother and his dog. When OP doesn't like Godus but you do:Reaction from Muir? (After all of that above had already been posted). ... Yeah, the moderation on steam is not even slightly biased. Apparently Naming a insulting troll a troll or disagreeing with someone is flame-baiting and against the steam rules. I would really like to see the mods to point out a post from me, Earl, Danjal etc. in the specific threads that comes even close to the insults from Danny crane. I just wonder where you got the 22cans' Mod. training manual. |
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Post by banned on Aug 3, 2014 14:23:53 GMT
I think the answer is simple, if you want a balanced forum not run by thinly vailed 22Cans puppets then this is the place for you. If your the sort of person who thinks a great holiday is going to north Korea to preach about the virtues of free thinking and capitalism and having your head beaten by the authorities until you agree black is white and white is black then Steam or the official 22Cans forum are the place to do that. you, kind sirrah, are sadly a realist. I share your pain and suffering at non-blinder life. Respect. |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Aug 3, 2014 16:47:05 GMT
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Post by earlparvisjam on Aug 3, 2014 17:01:42 GMT
I am NOT going to stop frequenting the Steam forums. As long as I'm not banned, I'll continue to hold the developers' feet to the fire. We were promised that things would be different back in March and again in May, and again in July. While we have garnered a ton more communication, the lion's share of it has been vague promises and knee-jerk reactions to our outcries that have caused more harm than good. Someone needs to stick around to call them out on it.
Back at the AMA announcement, Matthew told me I was a harsh critic and I'm proud of that moniker. I'm not the sort that will forget months of slights because of one single promising change. That goes double for promises of changes. I've gotten more empty promises from this project than the entire Bush administration, well at least half the Bush administration. So far, I've avoided pooping on the new features thread. It's been hard to resist when everyone's so gushy about dynamic water and shadows, but I just can't bring myself to rain on every parade...
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Post by Danjal on Aug 3, 2014 17:09:38 GMT
I am NOT going to stop frequenting the Steam forums. As long as I'm not banned, I'll continue to hold the developers' feet to the fire. We were promised that things would be different back in March and again in May, and again in July. While we have garnered a ton more communication, the lion's share of it has been vague promises and knee-jerk reactions to our outcries that have caused more harm than good. Someone needs to stick around to call them out on it. Back at the AMA announcement, Matthew told me I was a harsh critic and I'm proud of that moniker. I'm not the sort that will forget months of slights because of one single promising change. That goes double for promises of changes. I've gotten more empty promises from this project than the entire Bush administration, well at least half the Bush administration. So far, I've avoided pooping on the new features thread. It's been hard to resist when everyone's so gushy about dynamic water and shadows, but I just can't bring myself to rain on every parade... Well, isn't rain technically also dynamic water =D |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Aug 3, 2014 17:49:29 GMT
I am NOT going to stop frequenting the Steam forums. As long as I'm not banned, I'll continue to hold the developers' feet to the fire. We were promised that things would be different back in March and again in May, and again in July. While we have garnered a ton more communication, the lion's share of it has been vague promises and knee-jerk reactions to our outcries that have caused more harm than good. Someone needs to stick around to call them out on it. Back at the AMA announcement, Matthew told me I was a harsh critic and I'm proud of that moniker. I'm not the sort that will forget months of slights because of one single promising change. That goes double for promises of changes. I've gotten more empty promises from this project than the entire Bush administration, well at least half the Bush administration. So far, I've avoided pooping on the new features thread. It's been hard to resist when everyone's so gushy about dynamic water and shadows, but I just can't bring myself to rain on every parade... Actually, I had to refrain myself from being overtly critical too, and chose instead to praise them on the merits of what they did do, and not what I want or expected them to do - at least not until the latter half of that blog covering the mechanics is posted, and then again when the update actually gets released. There will be plenty of room for criticism once we have all the information. |
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Post by Crumpy Six on Aug 3, 2014 21:38:28 GMT
I'm entirely witholding judgement until it's released. 22Cans have already said they're keeping some cards close to their chest so who knows what we'll get. I think it may reveal a lot about what's happening next on the mobile platform, which in turn should tell us some things about the future of the PC version since at some point in the future the two worlds are going to need to be compatible.
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Post by Gmr Leon on Aug 3, 2014 21:47:36 GMT
I am NOT going to stop frequenting the Steam forums. As long as I'm not banned, I'll continue to hold the developers' feet to the fire. We were promised that things would be different back in March and again in May, and again in July. While we have garnered a ton more communication, the lion's share of it has been vague promises and knee-jerk reactions to our outcries that have caused more harm than good. Someone needs to stick around to call them out on it. Back at the AMA announcement, Matthew told me I was a harsh critic and I'm proud of that moniker. I'm not the sort that will forget months of slights because of one single promising change. That goes double for promises of changes. I've gotten more empty promises from this project than the entire Bush administration, well at least half the Bush administration. So far, I've avoided pooping on the new features thread. It's been hard to resist when everyone's so gushy about dynamic water and shadows, but I just can't bring myself to rain on every parade... Tell me about it. That gushing was/is so silly. The most "new" artwork was in the timeline, it's not like they showed us anything visual that resembled anything substantially new (but, but water! cards on a curving line!), which makes it clear how much 22cans has managed to get the few still paying attention to drop their standards. I get that it was a visual update, but come on, there should be more to show than what we saw, more concept art alone would've been fine for a post like this. Heck, if anything, concept art is the best they could bother showing us, at least that shows in the name itself that it's only kind of maybe in mind for the game. |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Aug 4, 2014 0:14:48 GMT
Heck, if anything, concept art is the best they could bother showing us, at least that shows in the name itself that it's only kind of maybe in mind for the game. Much agreed. I have been hoping for more substance, and even though some of this visual stuff is interesting, it still doesn't have enough meat on the bone. |
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