splitterwind
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I don't like: Ignoring a unpleasant question or answering with something that is only loosely related or way to vague to actually answer something. Mods that Cherry-pick in discussions. Banning people for minor offenses.
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Post by splitterwind on Jul 31, 2014 12:33:34 GMT
When OP praises Godus or 22cans and you have a different opinion:
OP accuse you to only dislike this game/company because you don't understand that its unfinished - you're not allowed to give him other reasons than lack of features.
OP says that people who dislike Godus just fling poop and questions their intelligence - you're not allowed to point out how much constructive posts and summarization you and other community member posted in the past. You're also not allowed to defend yourself.
OP asks a question - You're not allowed to answer it.
OP falsely assumes something - You're not allowed to state facts not even with sources.
OP asks you to elaborate your perspective - Doing so is disrespectful, trolling and flame-baiting.
OP says that he wouldn't discourage negative posts - doesn't matter, discussing with him is the same as insulting him and his family and his great grandmother and his dog.
When OP doesn't like Godus but you do:
Reaction from Muir? (After all of that above had already been posted).
... Yeah, the moderation on steam is not even slightly biased.
Apparently Naming a insulting troll a troll or disagreeing with someone is flame-baiting and against the steam rules.
I would really like to see the mods to point out a post from me, Earl, Danjal etc. in the specific threads that comes even close to the insults from Danny crane.
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Jul 31, 2014 12:46:59 GMT
Dude, you leap on everybody with anything positive to say about the game and try to convince them to dislike it and the studio. Or that's how it comes across, at least.
Also, Denny Crane isn't all that bad - I really don't understand the beef against him.
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splitterwind
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Posts: 149
I don't like: Ignoring a unpleasant question or answering with something that is only loosely related or way to vague to actually answer something. Mods that Cherry-pick in discussions. Banning people for minor offenses.
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Post by splitterwind on Jul 31, 2014 12:47:09 GMT
Said thread was also rather tame and OP apologized and continued to ask questions and participate in the discussion. Yet, the mods can't resist to warn everyone who posts a different opinion.
Also Should actually someone go too far it should be possible warn that specific person and give a reason and the steam rule he actually offended.
I have the feeling that by just giving out general warnings without any context that are not targeted at anyone they hope that people self-censor them out of fear to be banned...
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Jul 31, 2014 12:50:31 GMT
You're not going to get banned, it's just tiresome seeing anyone with a good word to say about Godus getting shot down by the same forum regulars each and every time. There's a zillion negative threads about the game, you'd think you'd be okay with just one or two positive ones without trying to turn them sour too.
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splitterwind
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Posts: 149
I don't like: Ignoring a unpleasant question or answering with something that is only loosely related or way to vague to actually answer something. Mods that Cherry-pick in discussions. Banning people for minor offenses.
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Post by splitterwind on Jul 31, 2014 12:54:53 GMT
Dude, you leap on everybody with anything positive to say about the game and try to convince them to dislike it and the studio. Or that's how it comes across, at least. I've only participated in that discussion after that guy said people who don't like this game just fling poop and aren't as smart as they think. I wanted to make the point that we have actual reasons and give quite some effort into the game/community, nothing more. I didn't leaped on him, I leaped on that statement of him. Is that against the steam rules as Muir tries to depict it? Does that mean that insults against me and others are okay? Does that mean that correcting wrong facts, not opinions, is wrong? If People that post a positive thread can't resist to post side blow against people who condemn the actions of 22cans and we defend ourselves we get a warning, accused of flame-baiting, steam rules etc. while the initial provocation is completely ignored. |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Jul 31, 2014 13:00:18 GMT
Firstly, I wouldn't take any of this personally. If you're not, it's coming across that way, at least to me.
Here's a challenge - next time you see any number of the nasty, factually incorrect posts (e.g. the accusations of me lying - thanks for that Aron, btw), why don't you chime in there?
My point is that while you're a great commenter - in my top 5 faves along with Danjal - it's all very one-sided. It'd be WONDERFUL to see a bit more even-handedness. The fact remains that every single positive thread on the Steam forums draws flack from forum regulars, for whatever reason. It'd be great if you'd let just a few of them pass in future (if we get any more).
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splitterwind
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Posts: 149
I don't like: Ignoring a unpleasant question or answering with something that is only loosely related or way to vague to actually answer something. Mods that Cherry-pick in discussions. Banning people for minor offenses.
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Post by splitterwind on Jul 31, 2014 13:14:17 GMT
That is not the same as stating that you guys would personally like to see a thread that stays positive once in a while, it's a undirected warning/threatening with the steam rules.
Good point. I'll try to be more neutral.
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Jul 31, 2014 13:28:38 GMT
I really don't think Muir was warning or threatening you, to me it just comes across as exasperation with the general tone of comments in that thread. It wasn't directed specifically towards you, more towards posts like this one. Also, I REALLY don't want you to take this as me instructing you to change how you post. That would be outrageously dictatorial of me. I just wanted to express my own point of view. As I said, your posts are amongst the better ones we receive, so I hope you don't think this is me trying to muzzle you. |
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Post by rubgish on Jul 31, 2014 13:37:26 GMT
Firstly, I wouldn't take any of this personally. If you're not, it's coming across that way, at least to me. Here's a challenge - next time you see any number of the nasty, factually incorrect posts (e.g. the accusations of me lying - thanks for that Aron, btw), why don't you chime in there? My point is that while you're a great commenter - in my top 5 faves along with Danjal - it's all very one-sided. It'd be WONDERFUL to see a bit more even-handedness. The fact remains that every single positive thread on the Steam forums draws flack from forum regulars, for whatever reason. It'd be great if you'd let just a few of them pass in future (if we get any more). Cmon man you can't say "top 5 faves" and not share your list with us  |
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Post by Monkeythumbz on Jul 31, 2014 13:46:24 GMT
Tbh, it changes. SW and Danjal are great, I like Crumpy Six and your posts too. TikiGod was up there, but I personally feel they haven't been as good of late. Gmr Leon always has interesting stuff to say, as does 13thGeneral. Digital Jam and vv [FuMM] both deserve a shout out too, as do Hardly and Engarde. Oh and Stonlesscutter is alright I suppose, too  |
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Lord Ba'al
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Posts: 6,260
Pledge level: Half a Partner
I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
GOG: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 31, 2014 13:57:46 GMT
Oh and Stonelesscutter is alright I suppose, too Who is this Stonelesscutter? He sounds like a swell guy.  |
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Post by muumipeikko on Jul 31, 2014 14:13:14 GMT
I'm amazed people are still bothering criticising Godus, talk about picking on an easy target... The only target easier to pick on in Muir.
BTW I've gone 7 months without even loading Godus and my RSI has almost cleared up and my accountant is very happy my "mouse expenditure" has normalized.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 15:20:29 GMT
I'm not over on the steam forums as frequently these days... but I have to semi-agree with Splitter. Denny isn't an anti-<insert euphemism for "angry internet nerd/kid/jerk/walrus" here> He's a guy hiding behind the internet-hiding behind another pseudo-persona that he uses on a consistent basis to emotionally degrade and often insult the community. Putting it nicely, he seems like a blatant fringe troll, and as you have partially hinted at (or not), it seems like he's given a little slack because of his biases (or because of his tasteless and banal comedic value).
I'm all for freedom of speech, I'm all for white-knights. But when you let someone consistently call your critics "Angry internet nerds" and "lovers of communism" and other snide little whiffs with nary a word... I don't think you as community mods are doing yourselves any favors. In the eyes of the more jaded folk, it just appears like you are taking a troll under your wing (or Muir's for that matter.)
You know who I love?!?! Aynen. He's/(She's?) a white knight, he's "on your side", yet he's not a <insert pre-morning-coffee childish name I made up here>. He has things to say, and he's factual and nice. Compared to (I'm sorry, I agree whole-heartedly with some of the criticism) Muir, who has seemly gotten a bit better in the recent months, Aynen is Good Guy Greg and Antonio Banderas all rolled into one.
#morningrantover #jetlagbleh
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Lord Ba'al
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Posts: 6,260
Pledge level: Half a Partner
I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
GOG: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 31, 2014 15:37:09 GMT
Aynen is Good Guy Greg and Antonio Banderas, all rolled into one. So, Zorro without a mask? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 15:41:33 GMT
Aynen is Good Guy Greg and Antonio Banderas, all rolled into one. So, Zorro without a mask? Or Good Guy Greg with long, beautiful hair and a mask? Who knows. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 16:20:09 GMT
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's flip the above Denny Crane quotes around shall we, for "parody's" sake? "( 22Cans) is full of effeminate/lonely/emotional/irrational/jaded/fat, male nerds (the women seem more together surprisingly, perhaps because they are born effeminate) but what still blows Denny Crane's mind is that these same unstable nerds do NOT know when to shut their ignorant mouths. Perhaps it is a cry for attention (no matter the consequences) or dire need to stand out (yet be part of a group), but either way ( 22Cans) are idiots." "I'd pop ( 22Cans) one if they shot their mouth off to me like that." ( inserted into any thread where 22Cans is the OP) "This thread needs to die. Op is a lost cause." Please don't lie to me and say this kind of vitriol would go unnoticed and things like "(he) isn't all that bad" would be said about Denny if they were directed at 22Cans instead of us "fat male nerds" I'm guessing because the "adjusted" quotes don't insult anyone in particular... he will get a pass, again. As Muir stated: "The reason I didn't warn Denny Crane in this instance was because he didn't openly attack any particular person." -Muir |
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Post by nerdyvonnerdling on Jul 31, 2014 16:47:12 GMT
Also, Denny Crane isn't all that bad - I really don't understand the beef against him. This has to be sarcasm. |
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Lord Ba'al
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Posts: 6,260
Pledge level: Half a Partner
I like: Cats; single malt Scotch; Stargate; Amiga; fried potatoes; retro gaming; cheese; snickers; sticky tape.
I don't like: Dimples in the bottom of scotch bottles; Facebook games masquerading as godgames.
Steam: stonelesscutter
GOG: stonelesscutter
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jul 31, 2014 16:49:24 GMT
Let's flip the above Denny Crane quotes around shall we, for "parody's" sake? "( 22Cans) is full of effeminate/lonely/emotional/irrational/jaded/fat, male nerds (the women seem more together surprisingly, perhaps because ( 22Cans) are born effeminate) but what still blows Denny Crane's mind is that these same unstable nerds do NOT know when to shut their ignorant mouths. Perhaps it is a cry for attention (no matter the consequences) or dire need to stand out (yet be part of a group), but either way ( 22Cans) are idiots." "I'd pop ( 22Cans) one if they shot their mouth off to me like that." ( inserted into any thread where 22Cans is the OP) "This thread needs to die. Op is a lost cause." Please don't lie to me and say this kind of vitriol would go unnoticed and things like "Oh he's not so bad" would be said about Denny if they were directed at 22Cans instead of us "fat male nerds" I'm guessing because the "adjusted" quotes don't insult anyone in particular... he will get a pass, again. As Muir stated: "The reason I didn't warn Denny Crane in this instance was because he didn't openly attack any particular person." -MuirVery effective. |
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Post by arryu on Jul 31, 2014 17:16:59 GMT
I have all but given up the forums because of people like denny crane and how their posts are handled. It seems anyone playing devils advocate in favor of 22cans has free reign to post what they like, including insulting anyone who disagrees with them. In the meantime, however if one simply creates an argument without curses, slander, or the like AGAINST godus its immediately pointed out as either derailing the thread, baiting positive posters, or attacking someone based on their opinion.
So how is it fair that people who actively insult people directly don't merit a second glance?
I can't count the number of times I've seen logical, respectfully written posts get warned while three posts up a supporter of godus has stated that anyone who has a different idea has low intelligence, or a is a neckbearded basement dweller.
I agree with most here, Muir is biased to the point of near transparency. I feel like the mods on the steam forum have a pact to subtly drive all negativity away, whether it can help godus or not (and I'm not stating for a fact that they do, that's just the impression I get. Either that or they have a pact to never have one mod undermine the enforcement of another and take it to the extreme of not dealing with bad moderation when it needs to be addressed. Don't get me wrong, I understand their frustrations with all the negativity, however the problem is that the majority of that negativity has merit. The arguments are not "make game better or I want refunds," we have people that take time to put together info and thoughts in a way that encourages discussion. That discussion could go a long way towards improving the game, if the devs listened to it (which is another completely different can of worms).
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jul 31, 2014 17:25:54 GMT
I try not to specifically point out and target individuals for their opinions, even when they get a little trollish or borderline offensive, but Denny Crane is really starting to become a fairly obnoxious and offensive nuisance. I use to find his comedic pseudo-persona somewhat amusing - even if a bit unusual and often off-putting - as he managed to add semi-intelligent levity along with edgy crass remarks and viewpoints; but he's gone a bit too far over the edge lately. He's specifically avoiding attacking individuals by making broad judgemental statements about the entire comminity; though mostly generalizing stereotypes about women and nerds, and in favor of the more positive player base. Although he seems to be an equal opportunity offender - which in the right situation and done properly is amusing - but his relentlessness seems to know no boundaries, along with obvious attempts to skirt the rules by indirectly denouncing individuals with sweepingly openended statements. And somehow he continues to get a free pass, and I believe this to be a gross oversight.
If you can believe it, I've even been banned (once) for a far less offense (without so much as a warning, warrented or not). I try to be a fair, patient and even-handed person, and I have tried to stay quiet about my personal feelings about the matter, however, his recent comments are reaching my last nerve. Please take another look at his comment history and being more balanced in the scrutiny of his words, compared to how you treat others.
Oh, also; in fairness, I don't think you should call specific people out and warn/flog them in public - that's what PM's are for. Instead, try to stick to the general warnings about forum rules; even saying, "Please don't make me start using the ban-hammer!" or, "If you can't behave, I'll lock this thread. Please try to be fair and nice." is usually sufficient... at least in other forums.
Thanks for your understanding.
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