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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 18:20:06 GMT
Interesting, so now they have limited posting to only users that own Godus  Of numerous other threads I've been watching, the only ones that report "This item was moved or deleted." are the ones that come from the Godus forums. There are also no threads made upon the Steam Community about this doing the same to other forums, or the forums being down, as is usual when this happens. Usually when the Steam Community has forum server problems it's either all forums broken or none for any given game. Gameplay Feedback & Suggestions Seems to have come back compared to those screenshots. The rest are still missing: 22cans & Kickstarter Discussion User Interface Feedback & Suggestions Godus Beta Bugs & Glitches Balance File Editor Discussions Workshop Discussions Godus Trading Boards On the same day that Simon's new interview is released, coincidentally enough. 22Cans' new administration seems to be coalescing their PR whitewashing initiative. Care to explain this, colin22cans? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 18:30:23 GMT
Interesting, so now they have limited posting to only users that own Godus How does that work, I've got it installed on my phone, but guess i'd have to purchase a copy for the PC if I wanted to post on the steam forum now. ( that ain't gonna happen) I was going to hold off on developer accusations until 22cans had any input to offer about this, but as usual it appears that they do whatever and expect their community to be happy about what they're told as a reason for up to a week or more after the fact. So that looks like all the 22cans & Kickstarter discussions got conveniently nuked. Basically, the screenshot you posted is the same warning sign developers like to give prospective buyers; if you have to make your forum only visible to those who own it then you've got something to hide, or have to lock it to avoid your shitty game being discussed, avoid at all costs. Derek Smart and LumberingTroll of note do the same, and quite a few shady developers do this enough so that it is a warning sign to avoid the game/developer because they have a LOT to hide and this is the only way they can try to censor Steam-given rights about discussing the game (aside from banning those who offer negative reviews because if LT or similar had their way they would delete unfavourable reviews). This explains some of the "Should I get this game?" threads, and that non-owners can only post in the Off Topic Discussion and Godus for Mobile Discussions is going to be easily noticed by anyone about to ask about the game. So instead of threads like "Should I get this game?" the person will be warned without having to actually ask. BRILLIANT! Was joining the ranks of Derek Smart and LumberingTroll what 22cans desired with this? It appears so, what with all of those sales on sites still flogging Godus as already having multiplayer combat while they make supportive noises designed to fool the naive. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 29, 2015 19:19:31 GMT
I think they've adjusted it so that certain forums may only be viewed by those signed in* and posted to by those that own the game. This definitely seems to be a move to minimize shitposters/trolls, which I honestly can't say I disagree too much with (let's be real for a moment, users like Fragglerock and that random Shatner dude weren't contributing much). I am, however, a little more put off by hiding away the other subforums for those just browsing Steam via their browser. What's the idea there, beyond explicitly trying to keep others from seeing your mess picked apart (since 22cans + Kickstarter is where much of that was tucked away under)? ...I mean, that can't be the idea, right? Looking at the still-exposed general discussions forum doesn't paint much of a prettier picture for anyone... *Maybe signed in and own the game? Can any of you not seeing these subforums add whether you were signed in when not seeing those subforums? If it's requisite that you own the game to even see those boards, I'm doubly miffed at that decision.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:25:56 GMT
I think they've adjusted it so that certain forums may only be viewed by those signed in and posted to by those that own the game. This definitely seems to be a move to minimize shitposters/trolls, which I honestly can't say I disagree too much with (let's be real for a moment, users like Fragglerock and that random Shatner dude weren't contributing much). I am, however, a little more put off by hiding away the other subforums for those just browsing Steam via their browser. What's the idea there, beyond explicitly trying to keep others from seeing your mess picked apart (since 22cans + Kickstarter is where much of that was tucked away under)? ...I mean, that can't be the idea, right? Looking at the still-exposed general discussions forum doesn't paint much of a prettier picture for anyone... FraggleRock and company have been gone a long time, this doesn't do anything besides censor the discussion and prevent more people from seeing/discussing the failings of the new 22Cans administration. Mandrake, could you please go back to posting on the Steam forums as well as this one, I think we'll be needing you there in the coming days. |
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Post by mindless on Jul 29, 2015 19:29:11 GMT
I think they've adjusted it so that certain forums may only be viewed by those signed in and posted to by those that own the game. This definitely seems to be a move to minimize shitposters/trolls, which I honestly can't say I disagree too much with (let's be real for a moment, users like Fragglerock and that random Shatner dude weren't contributing much). I am, however, a little more put off by hiding away the other subforums for those just browsing Steam via their browser. What's the idea there, beyond explicitly trying to keep others from seeing your mess picked apart (since 22cans + Kickstarter is where much of that was tucked away under)? ...I mean, that can't be the idea, right? Looking at the still-exposed general discussions forum doesn't paint much of a prettier picture for anyone... I think the reason may be to keep other reporters away, as they obviously are not likely to have the game, and so they will only see this limited view of the forums, helping to foster the impression that all is clean and bright in 22 cans wonderland. |
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Post by Spiderweb on Jul 29, 2015 19:32:23 GMT
I suppose the feedback forums only being visible to owners of the game make sense no?
You can still post the the discussion forum, that's the only one new players will see right?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:33:36 GMT
FraggleRock and company have been gone a long time, this doesn't do anything besides censor the discussion and prevent more people from seeing/discussing the failings of the new 22Cans administration. Mandrake, could you please go back to posting on the Steam forums as well as this one, I think we'll be needing you there in the coming days. I still remain permabanned and libeled by 22cans, as they apparently didn't want me looking at how the PC game wasn't really much different than the mobile game, took months to give a cursory answer, then lied about myself and others "bullying" someone by disagreeing with their opinion. That person liked the game, initially...up until they figured out that they just bought a mobile port of a F2P title and the moderation of the Steam forums was abusive - which is the same reason why FraggleRock had been allowed to troll around by Aynen and co. and allowed to sneer at folks about "Early Access risks" much like the new 22cans CEO did a bit later, only given a token "see you tomorrow" ban when they actually DID admit to trolling. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 29, 2015 19:34:35 GMT
FraggleRock and company have been gone a long time, this doesn't do anything besides censor the discussion and prevent more people from seeing/discussing the failings of the new 22Cans administration. Mandrake, could you please go back to posting on the Steam forums as well as this one, I think we'll be needing you there in the coming days. See my edit. I absolutely agree that the hiding of the subforums is a terrible decision. I'm of a mixed opinion on disallowing non-owners to participate in the discussion, though, as not only do we have this board and the subreddit for those users, but it's seemed to create more issues than it was necessarily worth in some cases. ...Plus, we have a decent number of stubborn owners of the game that have stuck around to rip into the game at each turn anyway. I'm not set on my opinion on that, but I'm more set on my view of the seemingly intentional move to hide some of the subforums. That's incredibly dumb as it only serves to convey what Mandrake mentioned, shady business practices, especially if any of us bother to post about it there and raise the issue in the subforums other users can see. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:35:29 GMT
FraggleRock and company have been gone a long time, this doesn't do anything besides censor the discussion and prevent more people from seeing/discussing the failings of the new 22Cans administration. Mandrake, could you please go back to posting on the Steam forums as well as this one, I think we'll be needing you there in the coming days. I still remain permabanned and libeled by 22cans, as they apparently didn't want me looking at how the PC game wasn't really much different than the mobile game, took months to give a cursory answer, then lied about myself and others "bullying" someone by disagreeing with their opinion. That person liked the game, initially...up until they figured out that they just bought a mobile port of a F2P title and the moderation of the Steam forums was abusive - which is the same reason why FraggleRock had been allowed to troll around by Aynen and co. and allowed to sneer at folks about "Early Access risks" much like the new 22cans CEO did a bit later, only given a token "see you tomorrow" ban when they actually DID admit to trolling. But they offered to unban everyone involved in the "bullying" incident if you messaged them. I suggest you do so, since this seems to be the biggest white-washing effort of theirs since then. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 29, 2015 19:38:17 GMT
I think they've adjusted it so that certain forums may only be viewed by those signed in and posted to by those that own the game. This definitely seems to be a move to minimize shitposters/trolls, which I honestly can't say I disagree too much with (let's be real for a moment, users like Fragglerock and that random Shatner dude weren't contributing much). I am, however, a little more put off by hiding away the other subforums for those just browsing Steam via their browser. What's the idea there, beyond explicitly trying to keep others from seeing your mess picked apart (since 22cans + Kickstarter is where much of that was tucked away under)? ...I mean, that can't be the idea, right? Looking at the still-exposed general discussions forum doesn't paint much of a prettier picture for anyone... I think the reason may be to keep other reporters away, as they obviously are not likely to have the game, and so they will only see this limited view of the forums, helping to foster the impression that all is clean and bright in 22 cans wonderland. Oh, I definitely thought about that, but it's such an ineffective move as to confound me. The shitstorm didn't brew up there alone, for good reason, it brew up here where we drew the reporters' attention because we knew they'd pull crap like this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:41:00 GMT
Just checked this on one of my alternate accounts. You can only post in the general discussion if you own the game, negating any inquiry posts. You can only see these forums if you don't own the game: Godus Discussion Gameplay Feedback & Suggestions Off Topic Discussion Godus for Mobile Discussions Looks like we have a cheap attempt at hiding information, folks. So noted across a few consumer advisory groups! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:41:05 GMT
I think the reason may be to keep other reporters away, as they obviously are not likely to have the game, and so they will only see this limited view of the forums, helping to foster the impression that all is clean and bright in 22 cans wonderland. Oh, I definitely thought about that, but it's such an ineffective move as to confound me. The shitstorm didn't brew up there alone, for good reason, it brew up here where we drew the reporters' attention because we knew they'd pull crap like this. They seem to be doing it incrementally, so as to not raise journalists' attention in a big way. Several small incidents are better than one enormous one, at least in the eyes of PR. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 29, 2015 19:44:14 GMT
You can only post in the general discussion if you own the game, negating any inquiry posts. You can only see these forums if you don't own the game: Godus Discussion Gameplay Feedback & Suggestions Off Topic Discussion Godus for Mobile Discussions Looks like we have a cheap attempt at hiding information, folks. So noted across a few consumer advisory groups! Thanks for clarifying. Does this imply you can post in those other boards, or is it limited to Off Topic, as I think someone mentioned here? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:51:38 GMT
But they offered to unban everyone involved in the "bullying" incident if you messaged them. I suggest you do so, since this seems to be the biggest white-washing effort of theirs since then. Considering how they have generally avoided my posts here even when it was a strain to be nice to scammers lying right in my face, it would seem like they're now doing this sort of thing for all persons poking holes in the paper walls they're trying to avoid while offering a whitewash story to the press - that by the comments on them, not too many are fooled. Remember, I'm the one who's doing the archiving, and now they've just gone full shady shit like that developer I've mentioned but shan't say his name because he's like Candyman? Now they'll just shuffle everything they don't like to their "Behind the Sofa" forum because they still can't be honest with what appears to be their new scam cheerleader's policies of now lying about their entire community's feedback to try evoking any sympathy for Peter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:52:34 GMT
Thanks for clarifying. Does this imply you can post in those other boards, or is it limited to Off Topic, as I think someone mentioned here? Only the Off Topic and Mobile forums are able to be posted in by those who do not own the game. |
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Post by mindless on Jul 29, 2015 19:53:10 GMT
It's been a while since we last had a look at the Godus Goodwill Meter, I wonder does this new situation change anyone's opinion? |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 29, 2015 19:59:13 GMT
Thanks for clarifying. Does this imply you can post in those other boards, or is it limited to Off Topic, as I think someone mentioned here? Only the Off Topic and Mobile forums are able to be posted in by those who do not own the game. Thanks again. I've put this up to give other users advance warning should they still somehow not be aware of the game's development situation and to let other owners be aware of these changes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 20:19:15 GMT
Thanks again. I've put this up to give other users advance warning should they still somehow not be aware of the game's development situation and to let other owners be aware of these changes. Archived and subscribed. Y'know, it would have been far brighter of them to do as we suggested and offered refunds to dissatisfied customers BEFORE they made it owner-only for posting. Praes is also noting a lot of stuff that's going to eventually be put into the 22shitcanned forum despite being quite relevant to Godus' ongoing development.Then 22cans could have the forums actually seem nicer there, rather than hold onto fucked off customers. Just like what was suggested about the Kickstarter, but the "reboot" (more like a doubling-down of developer douchebaggery) hasn't even bothered to say hello to them, it appears. "Thousands" of suggestions and all 22cans appears to want to hear is "You're shit."Well, if they're going to continue giving people a reason to say so... ...which appears to be their intent, to make bitching about Godus passé compared to the hype train they're going to try with The Trail. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 20:26:38 GMT
But they offered to unban everyone involved in the "bullying" incident if you messaged them. I suggest you do so, since this seems to be the biggest white-washing effort of theirs since then. Considering how they have generally avoided my posts here even when it was a strain to be nice to scammers lying right in my face, it would seem like they're now doing this sort of thing for all persons poking holes in the paper walls they're trying to avoid while offering a whitewash story to the press - that by the comments on them, not too many are fooled. Remember, I'm the one who's doing the archiving, and now they've just gone full shady shit like that developer I've mentioned but shan't say his name because he's like Candyman? Now they'll just shuffle everything they don't like to their "Behind the Sofa" forum because they still can't be honest with what appears to be their new scam cheerleader's policies of now lying about their entire community's feedback to try evoking any sympathy for Peter. But have you actually messaged them and asked to be unbanned? I'm not trying to be pedantic or obtuse here, just think that your voice is going to be needed on the forums. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on Jul 29, 2015 20:33:07 GMT
Thanks again. I've put this up to give other users advance warning should they still somehow not be aware of the game's development situation and to let other owners be aware of these changes. Archived and subscribed. Y'know, it would have been far brighter of them to do as we suggested and offered refunds to dissatisfied customers BEFORE they made it owner-only for posting. Praes is also noting a lot of stuff that's going to eventually be put into the 22shitcanned forum despite being quite relevant to Godus' ongoing development.Then 22cans could have the forums actually seem nicer there, rather than hold onto fucked off customers. Just like what was suggested about the Kickstarter, but the "reboot" (more like a doubling-down of developer douchebaggery) hasn't even bothered to say hello to them, it appears. "Thousands" of suggestions and all 22cans appears to want to hear is "You're shit."Well, if they're going to continue giving people a reason to say so... ...which appears to be their intent, to make bitching about Godus passé compared to the hype train they're going to try with The Trail. Yeah...I understand they're a company and that it may literally not be within their financial capabilities to refund everyone fed up with the game's development (at this point obviously it's been spent on their employees, whom are hopefully treated better than their customers), but it's absolutely, 100% the only great PR move they could possibly make at this point. No one's going to sing their praises if they get the game right, maybe the smaller team that pulled it off, but 22cans as a studio? No fucking way. 22cans is the kind of company that generates the market viability of brand revitalization companies, it's sunk its rep that low. I don't know how they could do it, but it would be in their best interest to form a plan to handle gradual refund processing as their funds allow, as otherwise they're going to have this infected, gaping wound that is Godus sapping any good will they may try to develop. As we've stated many times before, they're far too small of a studio to shrug off crap like this, no matter how much they may want to so their best move is to bite the bullet and slowly refund people to get them off their back. |
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