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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 10:14:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 10:39:45 GMT
Follow-up:  *facedesks and cries* They don't even have a solid PR script playbook...just as simple as Copy+Paste once you make it. 22cans just put in a new support portal, right? Sounds like a perfect opportunity to start working on a functional FAQ. |
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Post by mindless on May 13, 2015 11:04:53 GMT
Combat on?
Combat on what?
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Post by mrdrpink on May 13, 2015 11:15:22 GMT
Combat on? Combat on what? On Opt-In, had a small error with the bbcode. |
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 13, 2015 11:20:03 GMT
Combat on? Combat on what? On Opt-In, had a small error with the bbcode. Hello Dave, nice to see you! |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 11:42:11 GMT
Heya, Dave.
As you might have seen, it might be far better if you had a reference of handy questions that have been asked a bit frequently to make sure the position of 22cans is made uniform and easily answered, while also minimising the occasional oops that doesn't get corrected as the thread in recent question did. Those answers might be subject to further questioning, some of which I know have been asked a lot in some months, from personal experience, and in particular that same question asked.
There are severe information gaps presented piecemeal everywhere and the info that is there needs to be better-centralised.
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Post by heggers on May 13, 2015 12:23:51 GMT
Heya, Dave. As you might have seen, it might be far better if you had a reference of handy questions that have been asked a bit frequently to make sure the position of 22cans is made uniform and easily answered, while also minimising the occasional oops that doesn't get corrected as the thread in recent question did. Those answers might be subject to further questioning, some of which I know have been asked a lot in some months, from personal experience, and in particular that same question asked. There are severe information gaps presented piecemeal everywhere and the info that is there needs to be better-centralised. Hang on... That sounds a bit too much like common sense! Now I know you're crazy |
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Post by hardly on May 13, 2015 12:43:10 GMT
Combat on? Combat on what? On Opt-In, had a small error with the bbcode. Dave I realise you don't want to continue daily updates, many of us suspect an ulterior motive e.g. You perhaps want to avoid the embarrassment of having a shrinking team. It would be helpful if you replaced daily updates with a less frequent, regular and informative update on what the team is working on and where the game is going. I don't understand why there is no updated road map. If you had one of those with key milestones you could do weekly updates on progress. I like many people here feel like your objective in communication is to obscure what is going on rather than be transparent because you avoid critical discussions like - what is the finished game you are working to complete? Can you complete it? When? What form will multiplayer take? You hide from these questions, why? Because you don't know but you should know, it's your job to know. If you can't answer then should you still be taking money for godus, I say no. |
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Post by hardly on May 13, 2015 12:52:10 GMT
Dave why do we have to raise a forum or media shitstorn to get even basic information about godus's future development? We know nothing about anything beyond combat, we don't know the target completion date for combat, we don't know much about anything. When will future ages be delivered? What's the next resource after ore? When will we get animals?
The communication is quite frankly shit and we are not in any way involved in the development like was promised. So fine cancel the daily updates, the one insight we get into what the hell is going on but dammit replace it with something better.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 13:22:36 GMT
Dave why do we have to raise a forum or media shitstorn to get even basic information about godus's future development? We know nothing about anything beyond combat, we don't know the target completion date for combat, we don't know much about anything. When will future ages be delivered? What's the next resource after ore? When will we get animals? The communication is quite frankly shit and we are not in any way involved in the development like was promised. So fine cancel the daily updates, the one insight we get into what the hell is going on but dammit replace it with something better. -> Well, this may result from cognitive problems from some part of people at the studios, or a desire to create frustration so as to become more popular. Not at all the way Indie studios treats their followers anyway... check it out with all the other indie dev studios anywhere else. |
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Post by Gmr Leon on May 13, 2015 21:23:18 GMT
Dave why do we have to raise a forum or media shitstorn to get even basic information about godus's future development? We know nothing about anything beyond combat, we don't know the target completion date for combat, we don't know much about anything. When will future ages be delivered? What's the next resource after ore? When will we get animals? The communication is quite frankly shit and we are not in any way involved in the development like was promised. So fine cancel the daily updates, the one insight we get into what the hell is going on but dammit replace it with something better. Alternatively, when you're going to start changing how you communicate, some heads-up is nice to hear. There don't need to be loads of specifics, just something as simple as: "Hey guys, we're putting our noses to the grindstone for awhile, so we may be silent, but we'll get back to when we have more to say." Yeah, we'd probably be skeptical of that too, but at least it would be something instead of, well, we're just repeating really incremental crap with the daily dev updates, let's stop those until we have something substantive to say and not explain why. Anyone involved in an Early Access title these days would get really antsy with that kind of move, so it should have been pretty standard protocol to throw out some statement like what I mentioned sooner rather than later. Doing anything else just looks like you're trying to cut and run, especially with Early Access' tarnished reputation (which 22cans has done little to help). |
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Post by Spiderweb on May 14, 2015 6:41:16 GMT
Dave why do we have to raise a forum or media shitstorn to get even basic information about godus's future development? We know nothing about anything beyond combat, we don't know the target completion date for combat, we don't know much about anything. When will future ages be delivered? What's the next resource after ore? When will we get animals? The communication is quite frankly shit and we are not in any way involved in the development like was promised. So fine cancel the daily updates, the one insight we get into what the hell is going on but dammit replace it with something better. Alternatively, when you're going to start changing how you communicate, some heads-up is nice to hear. There don't need to be loads of specifics, just something as simple as: "Hey guys, we're putting our noses to the grindstone for awhile, so we may be silent, but we'll get back to when we have more to say." Yeah, we'd probably be skeptical of that too, but at least it would be something instead of, well, we're just repeating really incremental crap with the daily dev updates, let's stop those until we have something substantive to say and not explain why. Anyone involved in an Early Access title these days would get really antsy with that kind of move, so it should have been pretty standard protocol to throw out some statement like what I mentioned sooner rather than later. Doing anything else just looks like you're trying to cut and run, especially with Early Access' tarnished reputation (which 22cans has done little to help). Maybe back to a weekly/bi-weekly progress report. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 18:14:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 18:44:54 GMT
STAHP. AGAIN. steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/620713633851026571/#c620713633854184027So in answer to a question of the horrible moderation, an issue that has been brought up for quite a while that now includes defamatory remarks made on behalf of 22cans, is to blame the disenfranchised fans while trying to cause a rift between them and Spiderweb - who has been doing more himself than 22cans' own community mismanagement could be arsed to do in the last six months upon Steam.Rich irony of Aynen to mention that not everyone has the motivation to improve the community...when 22cans can bother to start doing so at their earliest convenience. When they start to care. Aaaaany year now, honestly... |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 20:02:00 GMT
greay points out the obvious elephant in the room when it involved 22cans' recent PR: steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/620713633851026571/#c620713633854404516If nothing comes from the "positive" threads that were somehow claiming input and interaction, and those suggestions obviously were round-filed as per usual (I doubt anyone made the suggestion "turn Godus into a crappy mobile port"), then why should people participate in them at all? The only things that evidently get through 22cans' pink-coloured bubblewrap (like a sequel to Curiosity) is when the community has to react in mass outrage, and then 22cans only begrudgingly responds and now applies Meteor Strike where Rain of Purity has been long required. |
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Post by greay on May 16, 2015 20:10:56 GMT
Someone points out the obvious elephant in the room when it involved 22cans' recent PR: steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/620713633851026571/#c620713633854404516If nothing comes from the "positive" threads that were somehow claiming input and interaction, and those suggestions obviously were round-filed as per usual (I doubt anyone made the suggestion "turn Godus into a crappy mobile port"), then why should people participate in them at all? The only things that evidently get through 22cans' pink-coloured bubblewrap (like a sequel to Curiosity) is when the community has to react in mass outrage, and then 22cans only begrudgingly responds and now applies Meteor Strike where Rain of Purity has been long required.  |
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Post by hardly on May 16, 2015 20:26:15 GMT
All abusers blame their victim as nobody is the villain in their own story.
22Cans think a few miscreants are destroying community spirit when the real destroyer is 22cans giving us the finger repeatedly. As you say we made hundreds of practical suggests in multiple constructive threads and they ignore it, often moving in the opposite direction. When we speak our honestly held views they delete our posts and ban us for spurious reasons.
Keep it civil guys but let's keep the communities voice on the front page. Win the war with logic and patience, two things they lack.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 20:48:13 GMT
Fair enough, greay, and so corrected. It was a "so obvious that someone had to point it out" moment.  hardly mentions something that I think should be recorded as well - all the times the community DID offer suggest- ...yeah, that would take a lot of work. So in lieu of collecting up every hopeful suggestion for the collection thread, perhaps I'll just link to suggestion threads - particularly those 22cans themselves started - for 22cans to basically ignore to basically do the opposite of what their community desires. |
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Post by hardly on May 16, 2015 21:00:30 GMT
Fair enough, greay, and so corrected. It was a "so obvious that someone had to point it out" moment. hardly mentions something that I think should be recorded as well - all the times the community DID offer suggest- ...yeah, that would take a lot of work. So in lieu of collecting up every hopeful suggestion for the collection thread, perhaps I'll just link to suggestion threads - particularly those 22cans themselves started - for 22cans to basically ignore to basically do the opposite of what their community desires. It's not just we suggested stiff, which of course we did, it's that they give us no forward plan or details beyond, combat, multiplayer, then further improvement. Hence we have no knowledge of where the game is going and therefore we are constantly concerned that our feedback is ignored. Add to that the Peter - Konrad - Mobile dynamic which means even if Konrad agrees with us, Mobile needs or Peter might veto our consensus. Last time we had true honest communication Konrad revealed some truths that got Peter in a lot of hot water. Now they pretend they will meet every promise they ever made when everyone knows they won't. Ultimately what would help the situation immensely is an honest discussion about the likely end state of the game, what 22cans are driving for. Unfortunately we know that no such vision exists, the titanic is half built and they only have resource to manufacture and arrange new deck chairs. Of course the titanic is still being built because we are working on the deck chairs!!!! Why do you keep suggesting we aren't in full development!!! |
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