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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 10:19:41 GMT
On the note of deletion ( with a side-note of this as per the Steamworks site documentation) let's see what Aynen deletes. Taken from the thread Why do you think nobody plays GODUS anymore?Not very flattering, but 100% okay by the REAL Steam rules and the right Steamworks documentation claims users have to express their discontent with a game or its features.
It goes "missing" for Aynen to lie: Let's also not forget that Aynen had similarly flipped his wig when I called Godus a "piece of shit" and banned me previously under the fake rule of "rage posting" - meaning that he takes it personally when someone says something unfavourable about Godus. This has now been firmly established as fact. This is not a personal attack - but a statement of fact - Aynen, you are a liar: You have just been caught lying. Again he blames "Not Me" while making clearly untrue statements about the post so he can hide it and try to make Interceptor into a villain. So that leaves muir or Dave as the ones who made the deletion, unless Aynen is lying about that as well. mrdrpink, as 22cans' PR, do you have anything to say about this on behalf of your company? |
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Post by mindless on May 19, 2015 10:56:06 GMT
Have they still not learned that deletions should only be used in the most extreme cases?
wouldn't a responsible moderator first attempt to contact the user, and request them to correct their own post, giving an option for dialogue between both parties, so that they could learn what offence they have been accused of, and a chance for a response before any further action need be initiated?
That would be a more fair and just way to operate, but the godus moderators don't seam concerned with any of that, they just want quick and easy solutions, no though required, or respect given, no effort required, just hit the delete button without pause for consideration, maybe they don't feel like they want to spend time having to listen to objections?
It gives the impression that they feel that their word is the law, and that no objection could ever be raised against them?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 11:06:02 GMT
Have they still not learned that deletions should only be used in the most extreme cases? wouldn't a responsible moderator first attempt to contact the user, and request them to correct their own post, giving an option for dialogue between both parties, so that they could learn what offence they have been accused of, and a chance for a response before any further action need be initiated? That would be a more fair and just way to operate, but the godus moderators don't seam concerned with any of that, they just want quick and easy solutions, no though required, or respect given, no effort required, just hit the delete button without pause for consideration, maybe they don't feel like they want to spend time having to listen to objections? It gives the impression that they feel that their word is the law, and that no objection could ever be raised against them? It certainly does, since they appear to not care that they are being caught unashamedly lying, now almost on a routine basis, along with deleting posts so they can then have excuse to ban someone for "re-posting deleted material" if the person were to re-post what really wasn't in violation of the rules as evidence of their innocence. It's a really sick game. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 19, 2015 11:27:35 GMT
Have they still not learned that deletions should only be used in the most extreme cases? wouldn't a responsible moderator first attempt to contact the user, and request them to correct their own post, giving an option for dialogue between both parties, so that they could learn what offence they have been accused of, and a chance for a response before any further action need be initiated? That would be a more fair and just way to operate, but the godus moderators don't seam concerned with any of that, they just want quick and easy solutions, no though required, or respect given, no effort required, just hit the delete button without pause for consideration, maybe they don't feel like they want to spend time having to listen to objections? It gives the impression that they feel that their word is the law, and that no objection could ever be raised against them? It certainly does, since they appear to not care that they are being caught unashamedly lying, now almost on a routine basis, along with deleting posts so they can then have excuse to ban someone for "re-posting deleted material" if the person were to re-post what really wasn't in violation of the rules as evidence of their innocence. It's a really sick game. If they do that you can easily fight it by stating that you never posted any such thing and their actions are injust. |
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Post by nikink on May 19, 2015 12:18:08 GMT
It's hard to state anything when you're banned.
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Post by hardly on May 19, 2015 18:46:54 GMT
Good work 22cans just keep pouring gasoline on the fire. It's unbeliveable how he lies about it as if he hasn't learned mandrake is backing posts up for this very eventuality.
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Post by hardly on May 19, 2015 19:36:38 GMT
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Post by arryu on May 19, 2015 19:41:28 GMT
I literally have that same link on my clipboard....
Looks like muir isn't even trying to cover up his bullshit. And since when is posting a comment stating the problems with an idea off topic? It was a clear issue with an idea for a competition posted earlier.
WOW. upon looking it seems muir made the speedrun suggestion. He must have deleted it because it was criticizing his idea. Pure. Fucking. Gold.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 19, 2015 21:16:15 GMT
Can I just say this...
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 21:27:30 GMT
I literally have that same link on my clipboard.... Looks like muir isn't even trying to cover up his bullshit. And since when is posting a comment stating the problems with an idea off topic? It was a clear issue with an idea for a competition posted earlier. WOW. upon looking it seems muir made the speedrun suggestion. He must have deleted it because it was criticizing his idea. Pure. Fucking. Gold. Didn't Muir state on the Steam forums that he was doing this so...one moment, make sure you're not drinking anything because this is fecking hilarious:  steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/558747922935187079/#c558747922958857150Consistent failure doesn't equate into experience if you never learn anything, or learn all of the wrong things - at that point you only become an object lesson for those capable of watching and learning from the failings of others. I regret that I do not have an active archiving of that thread (but one has started) because I thought that I could trust 22cans in a simple competition thread, an idea started by the community having to suggest it for 22cans. Now I see that is not the case and they cannot resist deleting to whitewash upon their main forum, again contrary to any sense of good PR and nothing resembling Community Management exists around 22cans. muir: Do you have an explanation for your actions that are damaging to 22cans by your refusal to acknowledge and adhere to - in this case it would be Steam - the publisher's rules and guidelines upon their platform? Chances are, like Aynen it's just something that has made you act petty for personal reasons, which in turn has given inspiration for this thread as well as archiving because you are not honest and cannot be trusted by your own community. (PROTIP: That mismanagement is why the community has been a bit more hostile than they should be, and it has been going on for quite some time. Now it gets to be added to the rest of the info surrounding the game, with your actions clearly adding to the whole problem.) |
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Post by hardly on May 19, 2015 22:04:52 GMT
This is what happens when you declare war on your community.
Now every deleted thread is recorded, scrutinised and questioned. Threads are filling up with questions about moderation, bans and deletions. 22cans will claim this is just further misbehaviour but the truth is it is a byproduct of them overstepping their authority. The steam guidelines predict this outcome if mods try and censor debate which is exactly what has happened. The only response that will improve the situation is a reversal of their moderation policy and that should start with some frank apologies.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 22:45:55 GMT
This is what happens when you declare war on your community. Now every deleted thread is recorded, scrutinised and questioned. Threads are filling up with questions about moderation, bans and deletions. 22cans will claim this is just further misbehaviour but the truth is it is a byproduct of them overstepping their authority. The steam guidelines predict this outcome if mods try and censor debate which is exactly what has happened. The only response that will improve the situation is a reversal of their moderation policy and that should start with some frank apologies. I would think that Steam would understand the whole thing about forums, considering that they have a few thousand of them going at any time, all run by developers who report upon their experiences with the platform in the Steamworks dev site. From this attitude, it looks like 22cans is yet another one of those developers that assumes "Steam = Free Money" without being arsed to read their publisher's documentation (but will blame things upon Steam, such as the mystery "Steam Community Moderator" that 22cans occasionally likes to blame*). It CAN be a load of money - if you're not obviously dishonest and abusive towards your community as many good developers know...probably because their forums aren't littered with discussions about the moderation, and it isn't because they've been more diligent at censoring their customers than 22cans. * - The next time they do this ask which of the actual Steam Community Moderators did it, as real forum moderators have no problem with discussing the reason for their actions. Nor do real moderators feel the need delete everything, but leave up the evidence of why the moderator action was taken, therefore seen above the board and not subject to community guesswork based upon the moderator's previous performances. If you need to when 22cans denies personally deleting something - and here is where discussion with a Steam Community Moderator will have some effect - get into contact with a Steam Community Moderator and ask them WHO performed a specific deletion, as they can see quite easily all moderation actions upon a forum. This has the potential of catching 22cans' chosen moderators at another lie, along with likely pointing out how 22cans might be defaming Steam's support structure by blaming their own poor moderation upon Steam Community Moderators. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 14:27:09 GMT
steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/617336568062440501/Different thread, same unanswered questions (at least not answered to any satisfactory degree). ==================== Mr_Loon: When is the 'PC Sprint' going to occur? What are the aims of the 'PC Sprint'? How / when will you meet your Kickstarter promise of making a game for hardcore PC Gamers? When can we expect to see a role for our God of Gods? (i.e. the Curiosity winner) ======================= SoulTechNameI: Also when can we expect hubworld When can we expect a redesign of the underlying fundamental systems of the game When can we expect more god powers And when can we expect more information about the planned eras and what they hold P.S When can we expect a roadmap? ====================== Perhaps someone should get together with the upper ranks of the company to come up with official answers to make a useful version of those thingies that answers Questions that have been Asked Frequently. Oh, wait, I have it - "We can only work on Combat on a Combat Sprint, then Multiplayer, then we have no idea...but nothing else can happen while we're working on a Combat Sprint! Have you heard about Fabs' Secret Project yet?" At least that's the result of their latest bits of miscommunication, usually through their moderators. I'm starting to agree that Digital Jam's "32 years" isn't really hyperbole for a projected estimated date of completion at this point... ( steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/620712999966935711/#c620712999967166468 )
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Post by heggers on May 21, 2015 8:47:44 GMT
Its kind of funny but this whole debacle reminds me of the Kitchen Nightmares USA episode "Amy's Baking Company" (if you haven't seen it yet please do). Two companies who are spiralling into failure for their very different, yet somehow the same, PR ideals...
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Post by hardly on May 21, 2015 9:33:45 GMT
Its kind of funny but this whole debacle reminds me of the Kitchen Nightmares USA episode "Amy's Baking Company" (if you haven't seen it yet please do). Two companies who are spiralling into failure for their very different, yet somehow the same, PR ideals... Oh I remember that one. im guessing you are referring to constantly picking fights with customers. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 21, 2015 10:14:43 GMT
Its kind of funny but this whole debacle reminds me of the Kitchen Nightmares USA episode "Amy's Baking Company" (if you haven't seen it yet please do). Two companies who are spiralling into failure for their very different, yet somehow the same, PR ideals... Don't leave us all in suspense like we have time to look up that show. Tell us what happened. Spoiler it if you must.  |
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Post by mindless on May 21, 2015 10:22:43 GMT
I love Gordon Ramsey, he takes no prisoners, I religiously watch all the kitchen knightmares & hells kitchen shows Its kind of funny but this whole debacle reminds me of the Kitchen Nightmares USA episode "Amy's Baking Company" (if you haven't seen it yet please do). Two companies who are spiralling into failure for their very different, yet somehow the same, PR ideals... Don't leave us all in suspense like we have time to look up that show. Tell us what happened. Spoiler it if you must. I found this on youtube... and here is the follow up show ... Basically Gordon has never walked away from a restaurant that needed help. Well this was the first and only one that he just gave up on, they later went on to use his walking out as a publicity stunt, because people were curious to come and visit the resturant that had beaten down ramsey. |
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Post by heggers on May 21, 2015 10:27:31 GMT
Its kind of funny but this whole debacle reminds me of the Kitchen Nightmares USA episode "Amy's Baking Company" (if you haven't seen it yet please do). Two companies who are spiralling into failure for their very different, yet somehow the same, PR ideals... Oh I remember that one. im guessing you are referring to constantly picking fights with customers. Well that and their general refusal to acknowledge that the things they are doing are wrong |
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Post by heggers on May 21, 2015 10:28:36 GMT
I love Gordon Ramsey, he takes no prisoners, I religiously watch all the kitchen knightmares & hells kitchen shows Don't leave us all in suspense like we have time to look up that show. Tell us what happened. Spoiler it if you must. I found this on youtube... ... Basically Gordon has never walked away from a restaurant that needed help. Well this was the first and only one that he just gave up on. Thanks Mindless! Was posting from my phone and didn't have a link to hand. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 21, 2015 10:34:03 GMT
Video is blocked in my country on copyright grounds.  |
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Not very flattering, but 100% okay by the REAL Steam rules and the right Steamworks documentation claims users have to express their discontent with a game or its features.
