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Post by morsealworth on Jun 2, 2015 20:56:54 GMT
And it's not even as if the pirates would be buying them otherwise. I'm talkin' about users, not the releasers.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 2, 2015 21:09:52 GMT
The music industry found a partial solution to pirating. Online streaming and downloadables that can be purchased on a per track basis. There appears to be way less pirating nowadays because of it. They're making plenty of money either way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 21:17:54 GMT
The music industry found a partial solution to pirating. Online streaming and downloadables that can be purchased on a per track basis. There appears to be way less pirating nowadays because of it. They're making plenty of money either way. Well, someone is making plenty of money anyways. The percentage of those sales that make it into the artist's pocket is astoundingly minuscule. For big artists like Ed Sheeran it's a decent venue, but the profit margin for the average band/artist is laughable. |
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Post by eskaton23 on Jun 2, 2015 21:24:18 GMT
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 2, 2015 21:41:05 GMT
I'm guessing (hoping) Steam would have thought of something to prevent this already. If they haven't... well... that's a huge oversight. There are also people complaining about the possibility of rampant, illegitimate steam card farming. becoming a millionaire 1-2 pence at a time! You'd think, but look what happened with the whole selling mods thing; they pulled the trigger a bit prematurely, and it bit them in the thumbs. It's a nice effort, but needs some fine-tuning. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 2, 2015 21:43:30 GMT
Yes but the fact that the artists are making little in comparison does not negate the fact that the industry as a whole is making a lot of money. And a moderately succesful artist still makes a shitload more money than I do.
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 2, 2015 21:43:53 GMT
![]() ![]() g whoa there, mind just posting a link please? That looks interesting, but it's eating the thread. ^_^ |
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Post by 13thGeneral on Jun 2, 2015 21:46:14 GMT
The music industry found a partial solution to pirating. Online streaming and downloadables that can be purchased on a per track basis. There appears to be way less pirating nowadays because of it. They're making plenty of money either way. I'm glad you mentioned that, because GameFly just announced they are starting a game streaming service. |
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Post by Aynen on Jun 2, 2015 21:48:49 GMT
In Japan, things are going a little differently. They still have a good CD market, while the western markets embraced streaming and iTunes. And it seems western artist have drawn the short end of the stick.
Eskaton23, does the chart at the top include revenue from songwriters owning the rights to their songs? (provided they do still own them and having signed them away to their publisher) Since owning the rights is where the real money is at, it surprised me that the songwriters in that pie chart only get 10%.
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 2, 2015 21:52:26 GMT
I think it's more of an average of the total industry picture. Some songwriters might be getting 90% of the profits of their songs while others might get 1% for example. Of course I don't know how the industry works.
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Post by Deth on Jun 2, 2015 21:54:02 GMT
I'm guessing (hoping) Steam would have thought of something to prevent this already. If they haven't... well... that's a huge oversight. There are also people complaining about the possibility of rampant, illegitimate steam card farming. becoming a millionaire 1-2 pence at a time! I would guess your only allowed x number of returns over x amount of time. That is really the only way I could see to do it. |
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Post by Aynen on Jun 2, 2015 21:58:42 GMT
From my perspective, it's still an extremely networking based industry. Make all the right contacts and you can do very well financially. Go straight to the label as a potential artist and it will be much tougher. But if you 'have a friend who knows a friend...' stuff gets done, and you get a bigger piece of the pie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 22:06:29 GMT
I'm guessing (hoping) Steam would have thought of something to prevent this already. If they haven't... well... that's a huge oversight. ou'd be There are also people complaining about the possibility of rampant, illegitimate steam card farming. becoming a millionaire 1-2 pence at a time! I would guess your only allowed x number of returns over x amount of time. That is really the only way I could see to do it. You're right, I think they even mentioned it, although they didn't give a static number of returns before they cut you off. The card thing was a bit tounge-in-cheek. Without the help of a highly specialized botfarm... you'd be better off working a McDonalds I'd wager. |
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Post by Matthew Allen on Jun 2, 2015 22:20:03 GMT
Let's keep in mind that piracy prevention and monetization is only half the story. Another piece of the story is the accessibility of media. Streaming is easier for consumers and available on more devices (Spotify vs iTunes, as an example). We're seeing the same thing happen with television and film with the likes of Netflix, Amazon Video, Hulu, and HBO Go (the latter of which was implemented in part as an anti-piracy measure since Game of Thrones holds the record as the most pirated show ever made). Another piece of the story, and a big one at that, is the gradual move away from physical media whether it's film, games, music, and more. Services such as Spotify and Steam are trying to cater to this evolution of media. So piracy prevention is no doubt part of the factor here, but there's a few other dynamics also at work. The problem is that sometimes trying to meet the needs of all these developing trends results in disharmony between the consumer, the artist, and the distributor. But hell, since when has that been a new thing.
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Post by morsealworth on Jun 3, 2015 9:00:52 GMT
The music industry found a partial solution to pirating. Online streaming and downloadables that can be purchased on a per track basis. There appears to be way less pirating nowadays because of it. They're making plenty of money either way. Precisely. The solution for piracy is availability and affordability, not DRM. |
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Post by hardly on Jun 3, 2015 9:35:32 GMT
I see record labels are taking the lions share, one wonders what they contribute for that in a era of modern distribution. My view is that distributors fear digital distribution more than artist because it makes them irrelevant.
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Post by eskaton23 on Jun 3, 2015 10:22:13 GMT
Sorry about the big pics lads....feel free to mod. I spend most of my disposable on music and whilst I do stream throughout the house here it is from my own collection either ripped from CD or downloaded via Bandcamp etc. The only things I stream from outside would be internet radio like fluid radio, limbik frequencies or Somafm. As for buying stuff I'd say the last 20 or so vinyl records I have bought have mostly been direct from the artist or from bespoke labels such as www.denovali.com Interacting with the artist direct is far more easy in this day and age. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on Jun 3, 2015 10:40:01 GMT
Strangely enough I only get the big picture on mobile. When I view on my laptop it only shows me the pie chart.
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Post by Aynen on Jun 3, 2015 10:45:33 GMT
I see record labels are taking the lions share, one wonders what they contribute for that in a era of modern distribution. My view is that distributors fear digital distribution more than artist because it makes them irrelevant. ^ this! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 14:49:52 GMT
What form of off topic hell is this!?!?! Banhammers for everyone!!! Blargargarhgharhdfakdflaskfd!  We have family in the music industry, and try to buy direct whenever possible, to truly support artists we love. |
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