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Post by mindless on May 14, 2015 19:46:14 GMT
Your not the only one that wished him well, I did so as well, I said something along the lines of, "Your one of the lucky ones, that came into this game with no preconceptions, if you can find enjoyment in this game then more power to you, but for those of us who have been here longer we have a history of disappointment to deal with" at which point I go off and gather together a number of links to the various news articles showing the media shit storm to help bring him upto speed. I'm 100% sure that posting the links to those articles was the real reason that I got perma-banned, because its airing their dirty laundry out in the open, and they obviously would prefer no one ever knowing anything about the controversy surrounding this game. You might want to ask Mandrake if he can find your posts, as he was able to find some of mine in his archives to help clear my name after the lies that mrdrpink (Dave) was trying to spread. EDIT: Thanks once again to mandrake who was able to find my deleted post inside his archives, here is what I actually posted, which not only goes to show that I never insult the guy, but that I was always calm, collected and quite respectful towards him inside all of the posts that I made inside his thread. Just goes to show how large of a slanderous lie it was that the 22 cans moderators were trying to push onto us.
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Post by hardly on May 14, 2015 20:16:25 GMT
I just spotted the moderators reason for giving me the perma-ban LOL, like thats a valid reason for a ban, pointing out he needs to use an exploit to skip the tutorial. Thats not ban worthy, thats pointing out the truth. Whatever, screw those jokers. And just for the record, I've never been warned at all, so the moderators are liars as well. That is insane. The reason for the ban basically says you argued with someone on the forum. What makes it extra crazy is he started by asking for our opinion, then we get banned for giving it.
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Post by mindless on May 14, 2015 20:30:04 GMT
Absolutely, like I said before it's my posting of the links that got me banned, they then just concocted this bullshit bullying narrative and tried to knock out a number of us at once, it's easy for them to them make up claims against us after they have gone and deleted all the evidence. It's the most pathetic thing that I have ever seen. What makes it extra crazy is he started by asking for our opinion, then we get banned for giving it. I had observed this behaviour happening between Fraggle and the moderators, where Fraggle would antagonise one or more forum members, setting them up to be knocked down by the moderators. And I pointed that out in some of Fraggles threads. The mods obviously now know that this attack vector was under observation inside of fraggles posts, so it wouldn't surprise me that they would reduce the frequency of their attacks inside his conversations, and would look towards instances of friction occurring within another posters thread to then resume the same tried and tested ban technique. For them to interpret our conversation/debate as bullying suggest they have reading comprehension skills of no greater than a kinder-gardener (pre-schooler).
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Post by hardly on May 14, 2015 20:36:52 GMT
Absolutely, like I said before it's my posting of the links that got me banned, they then just concocted this bullshit bullying narrative and tried to knock out a number of us at once, it's easy for them to them make up claims against us after they have gone and deleted all the evidence. It's the most pathetic thing that I have ever seen. Why delete a post just because someone calls someone a troll? All it does is delete the evidence. I got tired of the whole thing which is why I wrote a polite post last night and thought I'd closed the door on the conversation as others had done. If you read his posts you'll see he starts off "what is this about, is it any good" to telling us we are wrong, then he starts weaving in insults painting us as unreasonable, ungrateful, impatient etc. which is where I called troll based on that progression. But even before they took action last night I'd moved on and wished him well and then bang this morning it's banned. Did Dave ban me himself or is he just spinning for the actions of Muir/Aynen. This is actually a blessing because they have so over stepped the mark this time that in sure we can get some tracking with valve. I'll write to Gabe if I have to. It's a good reason to write the 22cans/godus essay I've always wanted to send to steam. I will of course post the details here.
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Post by hardly on May 14, 2015 20:48:44 GMT
Thanks for the explanation. Except it's lies. I did lable him a troll and then later on (many hours) I said live and let live and went to bed. Two posts with barely an offensive word in it (personally I don't think labelling someone a "troll" is bullying) and that is a sustained coordinated attack. Laughable. If we'd been coordination, which we haven't, we'd have talked about it here which we didn't. I was actually playing dota all last evening and wasn't really thinking about godus.
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Post by hardly on May 14, 2015 21:10:56 GMT
Aynen and muir, I know there have been longstanding disagreements between yourselves and the community as to what is appropriate for managing the forums, but this really does seem extreme and unjustified. Is there some as-yet undisclosed reason for all of this? As of yesterday, Mandrake, Mindless and Hardly took to the steam forums and practically bullied one of our newer members for liking the game. Just because someone likes the game doesn’t make them a troll, just because some disagrees with your opinion doesn’t mean you can hurl abuse at them. Bullying is completely unacceptable and downright shameful in any culture. This is something that we will not stand for. It occurs to me Dave that this is defamation. Would you care to offer any proof to back up your allegations that we that we bullied this individual to such a degree that it would be shameful in any culture. I suggest you provide evidence or apologise.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 21:16:13 GMT
Antagonise those who don't like the game's development and can see obvious problems enough to offer some common sense = 22cans looks so far in the other direction their head goes up their own arse. Call someone a troll = BULLYING! hardly was probably replying to this little gem, among others, about the curious fellow who first asks about the game and then tells everyone their opinion is wrong in numerous ways: "Those who have played the PC Version and are dissappointed in the PC Version and want to see more done with it, then those who have only played the Mobile version sitting here on these forums for the PC version making wrong assumptions based on a seperate entity of the game. Granted not all of the assumptions are off base, nor entirely wrong, but it remains pretty clear that there is a fair amount of negativity towards the PC game based around mobile users expierence with strictly the mobile version of the game. Then the come to the pc forums when the PC version has its fair share of unfinished features on it own, enough to warrant a multitude of negativity by itself without the help of mobile users coming to the forums and giving misinformation about the game." This is all hardly did, which was nothing like "bullying" and really isn't against the Steam rules, so that means 22cans just made libel against Steam users to censor them. In fact, if 22cans wants a good example of bullying they can take a look at their own customer service policy that has been nearly universally shit from the start, now it's just needs to wipe. Instead of working upon that, 22cans decides to continue digging after achieving reputation rock bottom in a manner that similarly looks intentionally self-destructive. It should also be noted that there is also a difference in calling someone a troll and saying that someone is trolling. Just like there is a difference between saying that Dave is doing a shitty job and that Dave is a piece of shit - huge difference! mrdrpink : So are 22cans done looking like shit yet, or is that still too much to expect?
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Post by hardly on May 14, 2015 21:22:43 GMT
Antagonise those who don't like the game's development and can see obvious problems enough to offer some common sense = 22cans looks so far in the other direction their head goes up their own arse. Call someone a troll = BULLYING! hardly was probably replying to this little gem, among others, about the curious fellow who first asks about the game and then tells everyone their opinion is wrong in numerous ways: "Those who have played the PC Version and are dissappointed in the PC Version and want to see more done with it, then those who have only played the Mobile version sitting here on these forums for the PC version making wrong assumptions based on a seperate entity of the game. Granted not all of the assumptions are off base, nor entirely wrong, but it remains pretty clear that there is a fair amount of negativity towards the PC game based around mobile users expierence with strictly the mobile version of the game. Then the come to the pc forums when the PC version has its fair share of unfinished features on it own, enough to warrant a multitude of negativity by itself without the help of mobile users coming to the forums and giving misinformation about the game." This is all hardly did, which was nothing like "bullying" and really isn't against the Steam rules, so that means 22cans just made libel against Steam users to censor them. In fact, if 22cans wants a good example of bullying they can take a look at their own customer service policy that has been nearly universally shit from the start, now it's just needs to wipe. Instead of working upon that, 22cans decides to continue digging after achieving reputation rock bottom in a manner that similarly looks intentionally self-destructive. It should also be noted that there is also a difference in calling someone a troll and saying that someone is trolling. Just like there is a difference between saying that Dave is doing a shitty job and that Dave is a piece of shit - huge difference! mrdrpink : So are 22cans done looking like shit yet, or is that still too much to expect? So who thinks I was bullying anybody?
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Post by hardly on May 14, 2015 21:23:38 GMT
By the way I was responding to where he suggested we lacked patience which I'm sure we can all agree that suggesting this community is impatient is trolling.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 21:36:07 GMT
What does the Community Moderation Messages (right-hand side link on the Steam forums) give you for a reason? Probably the same thing as mindless...with the added irony of that ban reason was exactly what DefectedZombie was doing before anyone said "troll ing" for 22cans' PR to shoot themselves in both feet by not just censoring, but censoring upon libelous reasons.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 21:36:56 GMT
In other news... I just noticed... TikiGod was banned from the Godus forums for what I assume were comments made on DefectedZombie's thread...
Yet he is one of 25 of DefectedZombie's Steam friends...
That's comedy right there.
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Post by hardly on May 14, 2015 21:40:52 GMT
In other news... I just noticed... TikiGod was banned from the Godus forums for what I assume were comments made on DefectedZombie's thread... Yet he is one of 25 of DefectedZombie's Steam friends... That's comedy right there. Nice catch. That will be great evidence when we right to Valve.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 21:57:09 GMT
You know what is really funny? DefectedZombie, the supposed "bullying victim" there on Steam, gets to call those replying to them trolls while trolling some more to absolutely no effect or censure by 22cans: (Posted 17 hours ago, Dave's libel was offered upon Steam 9 hours ago, so...) steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/620713633841303537/#c620713633844273280mrdrpink Any thoughts on this selective competence you've inflicted upon your community, and how are you planning on repairing the damage your PR team has directly caused to the company? Or do you still believe your actions to have been a good thing for 22cans?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 22:03:51 GMT
In other news... I just noticed... TikiGod was banned from the Godus forums for what I assume were comments made on DefectedZombie's thread... Yet he is one of 25 of DefectedZombie's Steam friends... That's comedy right there. DefectedZombie came in asking opinions, then spent a while trying to tell everyone - without any substantive evidence - that they were wrong. Since Hardly and others pointed out that common sense, they obviously had to be banned for it in a way to make 22cans look as awful as possible. Don't worry - I'm asking over at Dissenter's Anonymous what they were up to, since what DefectedZombie did isn't cool according to the group rules* and so they might find themselves not a member in short time: steamcommunity.com/groups/dissenters-anonymous/discussions/2/618458030682325898/* - Honeypot trolling, to be precise - luring out folks to find convenient ban reasons much like The Slaughtering Grounds' dev holding a contest on what folks found wrong with the game, just to mass-ban everyone.
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Post by hardly on May 14, 2015 22:10:04 GMT
You know what is really funny? DefectedZombie, the supposed "bullying victim" there on Steam, gets to call those replying to them trolls while trolling some more to absolutely no effect or censure by 22cans: (Posted 17 hours ago, Dave's libel was offered upon Steam 9 hours ago, so...) steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/620713633841303537/#c620713633844273280mrdrpink Any thoughts on this selective competence you've inflicted upon your community, and how are you planning on repairing the damage your PR team has directly caused to the company? Or do you still believe your actions to have been a good thing for 22cans? So he accused me of trolling before I accused him and I got banned? Awesome that will look great in my list of grievances to Valve management.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 22:13:34 GMT
So he accused me of trolling before I accused him and I got banned? Awesome that will look great in my list of grievances to Valve management. More accurately, they were the only one who said "troll" (in plural, as obvious response to the replies in the other thread) while both you and I said "trolling". So that makes 22cans look even more selectively competent.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 22:22:45 GMT
The reason for this seems simple enough. We're quickly approaching the date by which Molyneux said Godus would be complete, and the remaining work is impossible to complete within that time. Reducing the level of attention around the game is now necessary if The Trial is to be launched successfully. Banning most of the active users on the forums, all of whom have consistently been drawing attention to Godus, seems to be the plan from here on out. We should be thankful Praesmeodymium was absent from the pages where "DefectedZombie" starts baiting people. We should see some interesting developments in the next few weeks/months.
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Post by hardly on May 14, 2015 22:37:14 GMT
I can't actually see the steam moderation message on my phone but this comes up when I log into godus forums:
You have been banned from all Godus discussions until 13 Jun @ 9:40pm. You have been banned by a forum moderator. Reason: "direct personal attacks on another person (i.e. calling them a troll) despite being warned about this several times in the past "
I'm not actually permabanned. I'd like to see their records of "several times in the past."
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Post by hardly on May 14, 2015 22:39:52 GMT
I want to know who banned me because if it's Aynen or Muir that will be gold. We will have caught them massively over reaching. If it's Dave I'll almost feel bad for him.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 22:48:14 GMT
I want to know who banned me because if it's Aynen or Muir that will be gold. We will have caught them massively over reaching. If it's Dave I'll almost feel bad for him. Considering Dave jumped on the forums to spew a narrative, I'd be inclined to think he's the one who went on a banning spree.
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