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Post by earlparvisjam on May 15, 2015 4:26:52 GMT
Well, I went ahead and commented in that thread. What we have is the latest in a long lasting series of trolls showing up and pooping all over the community, being shot down by nearly everyone, and then the moderators swoop in and slap around the existing community while hypocritically ignoring the violations being perpetrated by the person they're defending. We had it with DennyCrane. The same thing happened with TheFirstDiety. It repeated yet again with Fraggle.
At least, when the moderators were insulting me around TFD, they backpedaled when I came on here to point out their flaming hypocrisy. This time, they've overstepped the bounds of decency and it's going to take more than a simple apology to mend these breaks.
We've finally hit the point where all hell breaks loose. I think things are falling apart over at 22Cans. The "rats abandoning ship" have stepped up their exodus and there's almost nothing to show for the last 6 months of waiting. Communication's breaking down and it's starting to look like this project isn't going to last another 3 months...
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:34:48 GMT
Well, I went ahead and commented in that thread. What we have is the latest in a long lasting series of trolls showing up and pooping all over the community, being shot down by nearly everyone, and then the moderators swoop in and slap around the existing community while hypocritically ignoring the violations being perpetrated by the person they're defending. We had it with DennyCrane. The same thing happened with TheFirstDiety. It repeated yet again with Fraggle. At least, when the moderators were insulting me around TFD, they backpedaled when I came on here to point out their flaming hypocrisy. This time, they've overstepped the bounds of decency and it's going to take more than a simple apology to mend these breaks. We've finally hit the point where all hell breaks loose. I think things are falling apart over at 22Cans. The "rats abandoning ship" have stepped up their exodus and there's almost nothing to show for the last 6 months of waiting. Communication's breaking down and it's starting to look like this project isn't going to last another 3 months... If you have handy URL references to what went on in earlier incidents, it would be most welcome. That would definitely be something to show among the examples of the other abuses committed upon the Kickstarter backers and then Early Access customers. |
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Post by hardly on May 15, 2015 4:42:07 GMT
Well, I went ahead and commented in that thread. What we have is the latest in a long lasting series of trolls showing up and pooping all over the community, being shot down by nearly everyone, and then the moderators swoop in and slap around the existing community while hypocritically ignoring the violations being perpetrated by the person they're defending. We had it with DennyCrane. The same thing happened with TheFirstDiety. It repeated yet again with Fraggle. At least, when the moderators were insulting me around TFD, they backpedaled when I came on here to point out their flaming hypocrisy. This time, they've overstepped the bounds of decency and it's going to take more than a simple apology to mend these breaks. We've finally hit the point where all hell breaks loose. I think things are falling apart over at 22Cans. The "rats abandoning ship" have stepped up their exodus and there's almost nothing to show for the last 6 months of waiting. Communication's breaking down and it's starting to look like this project isn't going to last another 3 months... I think you are right. Of course the timeframe doesn't matter, either you limp on for 3, 6, 9 months with the same result. I find it shocking the bans they handed out and not just mine. It appears all four of us were banned for spurious reasons which largely come down to they wanted to hurt us. Perhaps I am a troll because I love the fact I've been banned and that I got them to do it with no justification. I feel like they filled my ammo bag for me and I intend to use it. |
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Post by mindless on May 15, 2015 4:59:55 GMT
Up until this point I held no ill will against them, and genuinly wished that godus would be devoloped under konrad into a fun little game to play. but now I want nothing more than for Godus to fail, and their company to fold up, such is the resentment that they have now fostered within me.
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Post by hardly on May 15, 2015 5:10:53 GMT
Up until this point I held no ill will against them, and genuinly wished that godus would be devoloped under konrad into a fun little game to play. but now I want nothing more than for Godus to fail, and their company to fold up, such is the resentment that they have now fostered within me. If they don't apologise publicly to the four of us I'm with you. |
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Post by earlparvisjam on May 15, 2015 5:17:33 GMT
Well, I went ahead and commented in that thread. What we have is the latest in a long lasting series of trolls showing up and pooping all over the community, being shot down by nearly everyone, and then the moderators swoop in and slap around the existing community while hypocritically ignoring the violations being perpetrated by the person they're defending. We had it with DennyCrane. The same thing happened with TheFirstDiety. It repeated yet again with Fraggle. At least, when the moderators were insulting me around TFD, they backpedaled when I came on here to point out their flaming hypocrisy. This time, they've overstepped the bounds of decency and it's going to take more than a simple apology to mend these breaks. We've finally hit the point where all hell breaks loose. I think things are falling apart over at 22Cans. The "rats abandoning ship" have stepped up their exodus and there's almost nothing to show for the last 6 months of waiting. Communication's breaking down and it's starting to look like this project isn't going to last another 3 months... I think you are right. Of course the timeframe doesn't matter, either you limp on for 3, 6, 9 months with the same result. I find it shocking the bans they handed out and not just mine. It appears all four of us were banned for spurious reasons which largely come down to they wanted to hurt us. Perhaps I am a troll because I love the fact I've been banned and that I got them to do it with no justification. I feel like they filled my ammo bag for me and I intend to use it. It's even worse since the other troll's still running in high gear without more than a token warning. I've decided to jump on and point out hypocrisy: We'll see if they're going to keep up the antagonism or if they're going to act now that they've pretty much gutted the community. |
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Post by hardly on May 15, 2015 5:22:01 GMT
Thanks Earl, it's great to see you making a stand.
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Post by earlparvisjam on May 15, 2015 5:27:09 GMT
Well, I went ahead and commented in that thread. What we have is the latest in a long lasting series of trolls showing up and pooping all over the community, being shot down by nearly everyone, and then the moderators swoop in and slap around the existing community while hypocritically ignoring the violations being perpetrated by the person they're defending. We had it with DennyCrane. The same thing happened with TheFirstDiety. It repeated yet again with Fraggle. At least, when the moderators were insulting me around TFD, they backpedaled when I came on here to point out their flaming hypocrisy. This time, they've overstepped the bounds of decency and it's going to take more than a simple apology to mend these breaks. We've finally hit the point where all hell breaks loose. I think things are falling apart over at 22Cans. The "rats abandoning ship" have stepped up their exodus and there's almost nothing to show for the last 6 months of waiting. Communication's breaking down and it's starting to look like this project isn't going to last another 3 months... If you have handy URL references to what went on in earlier incidents, it would be most welcome. That would definitely be something to show among the examples of the other abuses committed upon the Kickstarter backers and then Early Access customers. Oh, yeah, I brought it up in discussion on here rather than call them to task on the Steam forums because of the risk that they'd ban me for arguing with mods. So far, those posts haven't been culled. It's not the only time it's happened, but that was the most egregious time and at least Monkeythumbz looked on here and acknowledged the obvious hypocrisy. Of course, nobody apologized for calling me out directly as being an example of "the problem" on the forums. I've mostly put it behind me, but never have forgotten. |
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Post by morsealworth on May 15, 2015 8:33:59 GMT
As of yesterday, Mandrake, Mindless and Hardly took to the steam forums and practically bullied one of our newer members for liking the game. Just because someone likes the game doesn’t make them a troll, just because some disagrees with your opinion doesn’t mean you can hurl abuse at them. Bullying is completely unacceptable and downright shameful in any culture. This is something that we will not stand for. It occurs to me Dave that this is defamation. Would you care to offer any proof to back up your allegations that we that we bullied this individual to such a degree that it would be shameful in any culture. I suggest you provide evidence or apologise. Did someone say "lawsuit"? Because I hope someone said "lawsuit". |
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 15, 2015 9:14:14 GMT
As I understand it, when the scam game "Earth: Year 2066" got pulled from Early Access, abuse of the forums was part of the case made against it by the community. Apparently the developers were deleting all critical posts and even editing critical posts to change them into positive comments about the game. It was a bit of an exceptional case though. You might get the gaming media interested in this but I don't think there are any official avenues for complaint through Steam itself. Arryu posted a conversation with a Steam mod in which the guy made it clear that developers are essentially responsible for their own forums and have carte blanche to do whatever they want. If they do a bad job the assumption is that they'll pay for it through reputational damage. |
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Post by hardly on May 15, 2015 9:33:29 GMT
Well the work day has started in the UK so let's see if Dave mans up and explains his actions, apologises, or hides in his hole.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 9:58:25 GMT
As I understand it, when the scam game "Earth: Year 2066" got pulled from Early Access, abuse of the forums was part of the case made against it by the community. Apparently the developers were deleting all critical posts and even editing critical posts to change them into positive comments about the game. It was a bit of an exceptional case though. You might get the gaming media interested in this but I don't think there are any official avenues for complaint through Steam itself. Arryu posted a conversation with a Steam mod in which the guy made it clear that developers are essentially responsible for their own forums and have carte blanche to do whatever they want. If they do a bad job the assumption is that they'll pay for it through reputational damage. It should be noted that Steam Community Moderators are able to do, decide, and represent - jack squat. They are just low-level industry introductory maintenance mensch, really. So be kind of sweet to them, for their jobs are nowhere as cushy as 22cans' collective vacation while they pretend to be doing anything. The ones to really contact are Steam Support, which admittedly is going to take a few days (maybe weeks given how understaffed the poor bastards are), but if you present your case it actually can reach a VALVe employee, and if you have then they'll take the issue to heart. Oh, and since some fellow decided to involve his son in taking digs in on VALVe, I would think that Sith Lord GabeN's offspring now have what most would call "Easy Pickings" upon Goat Arse and 22cans. Honestly, I think this is Peter's biggest Dick Move of any of them: kotaku.com/5969800/peter-molyneuxs-son-doesnt-seem-to-care-about-half-life-3-anymoreYour own son... Early Access has been a mixed bag for Steam. On one hand, making a lot of money from dirt merchant pitches while they have no talent among them to deliver what was pitched. On the other, making one hell of a mess of bad publicity and consumer law inspiration. This community has given 22cans, demonstrably, every opportunity to redeem themselves, and their actions and words have clearly said "Can't be arsed." No, correction. 22cans has said "F*** YOU." So here is where I question if 22cans wishes to play ball, because this still has the opportunity to remain relatively nice and congenial. At least comparatively... |
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 15, 2015 10:00:11 GMT
Well the work day has started in the UK so let's see if Dave mans up and explains his actions, apologises, or hides in his hole. He's already been active on the Steam forum this morning. I suspect he has nothing more to say on this matter. When Jack announces his game at Indiedevelopment today (his slot is between 2 and 3pm local time) it's likely to receive a reasonable amount of coverage on gaming websites, since for some reason he seems to be regarded as a celebrity in these circles. Any journalist looking into his history at 22Cans as part of their article will hopefully uncover some of the recent activity and think it's worth looking into. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 10:06:54 GMT
He's already been active on the Steam forum this morning. I suspect he has nothing more to say on this matter. I hope he understands what it might mean for his future job prospects if he ever cares to pretend to work in this industry again. "We stream everyday from Monday to Friday, 10am to 6pm." steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/620713633846098423/#c620713633848824252Oh, so we're expected to believe that the team doesn't know what each other are working upon from how much they chatter among themselves? |
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Post by greay on May 15, 2015 10:17:38 GMT
He's already been active on the Steam forum this morning. I suspect he has nothing more to say on this matter. I hope he understands what it might mean for his future job prospects if he ever cares to pretend to work in this industry again. "We stream everyday from Monday to Friday, 10am to 6pm." steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/620713633846098423/#c620713633848824252Oh, so we're expected to believe that the team doesn't know what each other are working upon from how much they chatter among themselves? Where did you get that idea? Obviously they know what they're working on. They just can't be bothered to write up a few sentences every day (or even once a week) describing it so the community knows what's going on. |
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 15, 2015 10:23:53 GMT
He's already been active on the Steam forum this morning. I suspect he has nothing more to say on this matter. I hope he understands what it might mean for his future job prospects if he ever cares to pretend to work in this industry again. "We stream everyday from Monday to Friday, 10am to 6pm." steamcommunity.com/app/232810/discussions/0/620713633846098423/#c620713633848824252Oh, so we're expected to believe that the team doesn't know what each other are working upon from how much they chatter among themselves? In all fairness, me and my colleagues chatter endlessly but if you asked me to report each day on exactly what they've been doing in terms of their work I'd be hard-pressed to give you a useful answer. I could tell you "X was working on Y report and had a meeting with Z" but it would be no better than the worthless daily updates we used to get from 22Cans. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 10:35:19 GMT
In all fairness, me and my colleagues chatter endlessly but if you asked me to report each day on exactly what they've been doing in terms of their work I'd be hard-pressed to give you a useful answer. I could tell you "X was working on Y report and had a meeting with Z" but it would be no better than the worthless daily updates we used to get from 22Cans. I doubt that, sorry. Any developer could tell you what they worked upon for the day they are asked* else they aren't worth their paycheque. When you are working upon game mechanics, such mechanics have been refined, categorised, and labeled so that anyone developing the same are within the same standards. As such, not knowing what you're currently working upon is pure bollocks. * - Because developers work upon so much, what they did last Thursday might not be memorable, but what they did yesterday should be quite on-hand. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 10:40:33 GMT
For the media's ease, could you provide a "who is who?" of those links? State which person means what to the person in question or if it is their own self (Muir). Yes, multiple pseudonyms does make that a bit of a pain, but I thank you in advance for those who might not otherwise care to verify identities. |
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Post by hardly on May 15, 2015 11:13:26 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but what I read from these threads is Muir is one of a group of students who signed up for a training course in game design that they think is crap. They want out of it and want a refund but the training provider is giving them the middle finger and saying "what are you going to do about it." Mid way through they get excited because they think a legal recourse will work but it seems to stall. That is how I read it.
If this is the true story there are some obvious parallels to godus. We want refunds too.
Interesting that Muir hasn't been given a job at 22cans.
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