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Post by earlparvisjam on May 29, 2015 4:31:26 GMT
Well, it looks like the process of replacing the original Kickstarter staff with new suckers is proceeding along nicely. It won't be long before PM's reduced his presence enough to allow him to jump ship without stirring up the media.
"Currently available for iOS, Android and Steam" (Well, the pc version of Steam, not the Linux one) I love how they have all these nice little hints as to their platform focus sprinkled all throughout that press release. “It’s important for us, as a studio, to fully understand what it is we do best and what our role is in delivering our ideas. I want to ensure the lifeblood of the studio is as creative and dynamic as possible.” Yep, and looking at the few people with any experience, all I see is mobile in their backgrounds.
I wonder if this is going to be used as an excuse for the lack of progress. This smells like the latest in a long list of manufactured shakeups to stall for time. I can already imagine the discussions. "He just took the position, give him time to prove himself."
Oh, and I especially love how 22Cans is still considered an "independent" company. Well, except for those small side-projects like Godus on Android and iOS...
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 29, 2015 7:12:59 GMT
Peter owns more than half of 22Cans, so there's no question of this being forced on him. CEO is a grandiose title, but 22Cans is still a small company so he's kinda just... a senior manager. CEOs are appointed by and report to the board of directors. The directors of 22Cans are Peter and Dimitri. Matthew has mentioned that Simon Philips previously held the role of "executive director" but he was not actually on the 22Cans board of directors as recorded with Companies House (unless 22Cans have failed to file their paperwork) so that was also just a title. They probably needed to call the role "CEO" to get this guy interested, given his previous experience. Could the share holdings be out of date? Honestly, I'm not sure how long it takes Companies House to process the paperwork involved but I would imagine it's a few working days. I don't see any indication here that 22Cans has changed ownership, however. These staffing appointments are not as significant as they first appear. You'd think a new CEO would seriously shake things up at 22Cans, but the key person he will need to manage in this capacity is Peter Molyneux himself, and Peter is the one who is notoriously and chronically unmanagageable. Peter is the one who is going to come into the office with an enigmatic smile and instruct everyone to stop what they're doing, because he's had an idea that is going to change the fabric of reality. Peter is the one who originally set up 22Cans specifically because he wanted creative freedom away from bureaucratic pointy-heads. Peter is the majority shareholder and sits on the board of directors, and is the CEO's boss. Rumour has it that Peter Murphy, who previously held the role of, er, bureaucratic pointy-head, caused a lot of friction in the office and was not well-liked. It's easy to hold the finance guy responsible for unpopular decisions (e.g. cutting corners to meet deadlines or keeping costs down). Simon Philips isn't going to have an easy time of it. |
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Post by simon22cans on May 29, 2015 11:02:44 GMT
Well, that's... Interesting. I'll hold judgment until enough time passes. I'll have to go read up on this guy in the meantime. For now, welcome Mr. Phillips (may we call you Simon?), and we look forward to seeing what you have to offer. However, having Peter still in charge of creativity makes me apprehensive to believe that this changes anything. Yup, Simon is fine  |
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Post by simon22cans on May 29, 2015 11:12:10 GMT
Just a quick message to let you know that I do on occasion read through these forums (amongst others) but rarely have the time to post, so I thought I'd actually register to say hello. So, hello. There's obviously a lot of opinion about the coming and goings of 22cans and especially what we're doing on Godus. Some good opinions, some bad opinions, some correct opinions and some amazingly way-out-there consipricary type opinions (that said, these are often the most amusing  . I'm happy to try and answer questions as and when I can, time permitting. Cheers, Simon |
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Post by colin22cans on May 29, 2015 11:12:22 GMT
Appointing a CEO is a good move for 22Cans. I was wondering how they were going to fill the void of business acumen left behind with the departure of Peter Murphy. None of the other appointments look interesting to me other than Colin the PR manager. Looking forward to the next waterfall of gurning, glossy puffery. You should see the glossy puffery waterfall I'm working on! *double dream hands* Hello everyone! |
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Post by eddiemonsta on May 29, 2015 11:16:04 GMT
Welcome to you both. May your visits be frequent and informative. |
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Post by 13thGeneral on May 29, 2015 11:30:04 GMT
Just a quick message to let you know that I do on occasion read through these forums (amongst others) but rarely have the time to post, so I thought I'd actually register to say hello. So, hello. There's obviously a lot of opinion about the coming and goings of 22cans and especially what we're doing on Godus. Some good opinions, some bad opinions, some correct opinions and some amazingly way-out-there consipricary type opinions (that said, these are often the most amusing . I'm happy to try and answer questions as and when I can, time permitting. Cheers, Simon Appointing a CEO is a good move for 22Cans. I was wondering how they were going to fill the void of business acumen left behind with the departure of Peter Murphy. None of the other appointments look interesting to me other than Colin the PR manager. Looking forward to the next waterfall of gurning, glossy puffery. You should see the glossy puffery waterfall I'm working on! *double dream hands* Hello everyone! Welcome, both of you. Glad to see you and hope that we can continue the conversations... even the wildly speculative ones.  |
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Post by Crumpy Six on May 29, 2015 11:32:57 GMT
Hi Colin and Simon! Thank you for stopping by. This is a first - we've had developers and CMs contributing to the community on occasion, but the senior figures at 22Cans have been a little camera-shy. Understandably I don't expect you have a lot of time to muck around on forums, but it's nice to see you putting your heads round the door. Just a quick message to let you know that I do on occasion read through these forums (amongst others) but rarely have the time to post, so I thought I'd actually register to say hello. So, hello. There's obviously a lot of opinion about the coming and goings of 22cans and especially what we're doing on Godus. Some good opinions, some bad opinions, some correct opinions and some amazingly way-out-there consipricary type opinions (that said, these are often the most amusing . 22Cans leaves itself wide open to rampant speculation (often with a bias towards negativity) because of the way it has historically kept things secret and hidden, then when it does make public announcements they tend to be bad news as far as the community is concerned. If you want to put the record straight on anything I think we'd all be more than willing to hear it. |
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Post by hardly on May 29, 2015 11:43:48 GMT
Just a quick message to let you know that I do on occasion read through these forums (amongst others) but rarely have the time to post, so I thought I'd actually register to say hello. So, hello. There's obviously a lot of opinion about the coming and goings of 22cans and especially what we're doing on Godus. Some good opinions, some bad opinions, some correct opinions and some amazingly way-out-there consipricary type opinions (that said, these are often the most amusing . I'm happy to try and answer questions as and when I can, time permitting. Cheers, Simon Hello to both of you. We can honestly say we hope you make a difference. If we make assumptions please excuse us we have often been kept in the dark and lied to and have learnt to be suspicious. If you'd like to enlighten us feel free. We did find Furious Moo's honesty quite refreshing but then he stopped visiting. Seemed to happen about the time there was a media shitstorm. If you have some spare time and want to begin restoring the relationship with the community perhaps you could look into why four active members of the community were banned from the steam forum in one night and then defamed by a member of 22cans staff. If you would like the details please read my appeal to the steam moderators on our behalf. godus.boards.net/thread/930/mass-banning-godus-steam-forum?page=1I'm on my phone right now but can provide more direct references to facts tomorrow. I have invited Dave to present evidence of the bullying he said I participated in here and via private message and I have said publicly and privately I will apologise publicly to him if he presents such evidence. He has not done so but has not withdrawn his statements that I was a bully. Do you allow your staff to accuse your customers of bullying, present no proof of those actions (in fact he deleted the proof I did otherwise), and ban them for a period of time/permanently? If so then you won't care what I have to say. If not I think you should ask Dave to brief you on what happened and present the messages that left to four of us being banned. You may also ask to see evidence of the warnings we were given. As with Dave if you present me with evidence of my bullying I will apologise to you also but if you don't I and others here will keep at you until you apologise on behalf of your company. That is fair is it not? To demand proof of allegations made or an apology? I will private message you about this tomorrow in case you prefer to communicate that way. I hope you stear the relationship in a new direction, let's start by being honest with one another. |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 29, 2015 11:44:33 GMT
Since I'm not home I don't have all the super powerful admin wonder tools available. Could you guys in any way confirm your legitimacy?
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Post by hardly on May 29, 2015 11:47:37 GMT
Since I'm not home I don't have all the super powerful admin wonder tools available. Could you guys in any way confirm your legitimacy? How would you know if you were at home? |
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Post by simon22cans on May 29, 2015 11:50:08 GMT
Since I'm not home I don't have all the super powerful admin wonder tools available. Could you guys in any way confirm your legitimacy? What do you need? |
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Post by mrdrpink on May 29, 2015 11:55:29 GMT
Since I'm not home I don't have all the super powerful admin wonder tools available. Could you guys in any way confirm your legitimacy? They're the real deal |
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Post by Lord Ba'al on May 29, 2015 11:56:06 GMT
Since I'm not home I don't have all the super powerful admin wonder tools available. Could you guys in any way confirm your legitimacy? How would you know if you were at home? Ah... that is the secret of the chef. |
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Post by simon22cans on May 29, 2015 12:03:40 GMT
Hello to both of you. We can honestly say we hope you make a difference. Thanks and Hello. If we make assumptions please excuse us we have often been kept in the dark and lied to and have learnt to be suspicious. If you'd like to enlighten us feel free. We did find Furious Moo's honesty quite refreshing but then he stopped visiting. Seemed to happen about the time there was a media shitstorm. If you have some spare time and want to begin restoring the relationship with the community perhaps you could look into why four active members of the community were banned from the steam forum in one night and then defamed by a member of 22cans staff. If you would like the details please read my appeal to the steam moderators on our behalf. godus.boards.net/thread/930/mass-banning-godus-steam-forum?page=1I'm on my phone right now but can provide more direct references to facts tomorrow. I have invited Dave to present evidence of the bullying he said I participated in here and via private message and I have said publicly and privately I will apologise publicly to him if he presents such evidence. He has not done so but has not withdrawn his statements that I was a bully. Do you allow your staff to accuse your customers of bullying, present no proof of those actions (in fact he deleted the proof I did otherwise), and ban them for a period of time/permanently? If so then you won't care what I have to say. If not I think you should ask Dave to brief you on what happened and present the messages that left to four of us being banned. You may also ask to see evidence of the warnings we were given. As with Dave if you present me with evidence of my bullying I will apologise to you also but if you don't I and others here will keep at you until you apologise on behalf of your company. That is fair is it not? To demand proof of allegations made or an apology? I will private message you about this tomorrow in case you prefer to communicate that way. I'm aware that there's a lot of activity around this although I'm not fully aware of all the details at this stage so can't really comment. That said, of course, no one should be accusing people of bullying without thinking that that is the case and equally no one should be bullying. Feel free to PM me at any point though. I hope you stear the relationship in a new direction, let's start by being honest with one another. Thanks, as said, I'll try to be as active here as I can but it can be very time consuming and I have no intention of anything other than being honest. |
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Post by hardly on May 29, 2015 12:11:20 GMT
Hello to both of you. We can honestly say we hope you make a difference. Thanks and Hello. If we make assumptions please excuse us we have often been kept in the dark and lied to and have learnt to be suspicious. If you'd like to enlighten us feel free. We did find Furious Moo's honesty quite refreshing but then he stopped visiting. Seemed to happen about the time there was a media shitstorm. If you have some spare time and want to begin restoring the relationship with the community perhaps you could look into why four active members of the community were banned from the steam forum in one night and then defamed by a member of 22cans staff. If you would like the details please read my appeal to the steam moderators on our behalf. godus.boards.net/thread/930/mass-banning-godus-steam-forum?page=1I'm on my phone right now but can provide more direct references to facts tomorrow. I have invited Dave to present evidence of the bullying he said I participated in here and via private message and I have said publicly and privately I will apologise publicly to him if he presents such evidence. He has not done so but has not withdrawn his statements that I was a bully. Do you allow your staff to accuse your customers of bullying, present no proof of those actions (in fact he deleted the proof I did otherwise), and ban them for a period of time/permanently? If so then you won't care what I have to say. If not I think you should ask Dave to brief you on what happened and present the messages that left to four of us being banned. You may also ask to see evidence of the warnings we were given. As with Dave if you present me with evidence of my bullying I will apologise to you also but if you don't I and others here will keep at you until you apologise on behalf of your company. That is fair is it not? To demand proof of allegations made or an apology? I will private message you about this tomorrow in case you prefer to communicate that way. I'm aware that there's a lot of activity around this although I'm not fully aware of all the details at this stage so can't really comment. That said, of course, no one should be accusing people of bullying without thinking that that is the case and equally no one should be bullying. Feel free to PM me at any point though. I hope you stear the relationship in a new direction, let's start by being honest with one another. Thanks, as said, I'll try to be as active here as I can but it can be very time consuming and I have no intention of anything other than being honest. Thank you. Take your time, take a week. I'm sure Dave can present you with his dossier to save you the effort of reading my diatribes. For avoidance of doubt I'm talking about the allegations against me, mindless, mandrake and Tikigod. I'll message what I have tomorrow as promised. It's a little harder for us than Dave because he deleted our supposed infringing posts (happens a lot on steam) and therefore we have to rely on the archives mandrake maintains for this eventuality. As you will find we argue our case passionately here and sometimes we use colourful language but we always try to play the ball and not the man. |
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Post by Deth on May 29, 2015 12:15:04 GMT
I hope you stear the relationship in a new direction, let's stThanks, as said, I'll try to be as active here as I can but it can be very time consuming and I have no intention of anything other than being honest. Thanks that is all we ask. Here is hoping for a turn around of community relations. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 12:28:31 GMT
Just a quick message to let you know that I do on occasion read through these forums (amongst others) but rarely have the time to post, so I thought I'd actually register to say hello. So, hello. There's obviously a lot of opinion about the coming and goings of 22cans and especially what we're doing on Godus. Some good opinions, some bad opinions, some correct opinions... If you do have any information to share, it would be muchly appreciated, since without much communication otherwise it has led to much speculation based upon empirical evidence of 22cans' previous history. The one where the dev team are actually all dead and just look like they are Movin' Like Bernie when the lights are turned on for the Twitch cam - my favourite. Greetings, and good to meet you. |
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Post by mindless on May 29, 2015 13:07:17 GMT
Welcome to the forums. I would also like to draw your attention to the following posts made by Aynen ( godus.boards.net/post/19900/thread, godus.boards.net/post/19929/thread) where he appears to confirm a belief that we have long held, that the moderators on the godus forums are specifically looking to exclude members of the forum who do not think in exactly the same way that the moderators do. It has given many of us cause for concern, please read the thread for our opinions on this matter, as they appear to go hand in hand with the banning issue, and go so far as to clearly provide a motive for the discrimination we have been subjected to. |
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Post by mindless on May 29, 2015 13:18:09 GMT
... I'll try to be as active here as I can but it can be very time consuming and I have no intention of anything other than being honest. My mother always used to tell me, "honesty is the best policy"  Good for you if you can be straight up with us. |
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